(03-25-2020 08:25 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: Look, I don't care for the guy, but we've got much bigger structural problems than a tiny pandemic response office.
As much as people like to say that all nations are in this together, everyone is in it for themselves in procuring their own critical medical equipment and supplies. Do you think since the CCP covered the virus up and allowed infected people to travel the world they'll be nice and give us some of the respirators that they produce? Hell, no.
Also, our health care system as a whole needs broad and systemic changes to the health care system and I'll just say they're not going to happen whether the next president is the 45th or the 46th.
And the only person trying to fix it can’t make it out of the primary. People just don’t want good health care I guess.
Why would you make such a remark? Without question, we have the best health care in the world. This is a good time to suggest you spend more time studying before speaking or posting. And the only person who is trying to fix is who?
we do not have the best healthcare in the world. not even close.
If anything, I'll take the guaranteed nationalized healthcare in South Korea, Singapore, Japan, so forth.
Bet I know what country you would choose for major surgary.
any of the first world countries with a great healthcare system so I don't go broke after?
(03-25-2020 04:51 PM)debragga Wrote: And the only person trying to fix it can’t make it out of the primary. People just don’t want good health care I guess.
Why would you make such a remark? Without question, we have the best health care in the world. This is a good time to suggest you spend more time studying before speaking or posting. And the only person who is trying to fix is who?
we do not have the best healthcare in the world. not even close.
If anything, I'll take the guaranteed nationalized healthcare in South Korea, Singapore, Japan, so forth.
Bet I know what country you would choose for major surgary.
any of the first world countries with a great healthcare system so I don't go broke after?
I had someone point out the other day that given the exchange rate there are a few countries you could go to without insurance get care needed and have a medical bill roughly equal to what you’d have here with a decent insurance
I think those nations ranked in top 10 health care systems in the world figured out an ideal mixture of public and private healthcare.
For example, in Japan, health insurance is mandatory nationwide. Those with jobs get it through their workplace. Those without jobs, or self-employed small business owners, the country pays for the 99% of medical expenses.
We the Americans may mock it as "socialism" but quality of life and life expectancies are higher in those nations. Less stress in general about things.
Yeah, probably won't work in US, too much of "individualism" attitude. Not saying it's good or bad per say. Certainly both sides have merits.
Well actually, with the younger generation dominantly voting for a candidate like Bernie, the future might be different. Still too many older moderate voters to make it out of the primary, but who knows in the future.
In other news, NYC looks like a warzone. I understand that the medical community is cautioning this is at its infancy, and will eventually spread (already happening actually) to southern cities like New Orleans. If we are going to do this social distance thing anyways, I hope we do it right to flatten the curve. Stay indoors touchy peeps!
No one in their right mind would object to providing whatever health care that exist to save someone or enhance quality of life no matter as long as we can afford it.
US taxes are low relative to those in other developed countries.. Taxes exceeded 40 percent of GDP in seven European countries, including Denmark and France, where taxes were greater than 45 percent of GDP. But those countries generally provide more extensive government services than the United States does.
Funny how our military liberated all those countries. I say be damd with it and do away with the US military. We'd all be rich like the French and Canadians.
(03-27-2020 03:25 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: Folks if this can happen in small town very rural south Georgia it can happen anywhere. If this is what is to come the beginning hasn't even begun.
Wait, Scott Steiner is the CEO of the local health system?
Um, so actually...yeah, that's a big deal that Albany is getting hit so hard. My highly high-risk parents are down in Americus, and Albany is the "big city" hub they depend on for a lot of their more advanced healthcare. Thankfully, they seem to be taking this pretty seriously.
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(03-27-2020 03:25 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: Folks if this can happen in small town very rural south Georgia it can happen anywhere. If this is what is to come the beginning hasn't even begun.
Wait, Scott Steiner is the CEO of the local health system?
Um, so actually...yeah, that's a big deal that Albany is getting hit so hard. My highly high-risk parents are down in Americus, and Albany is the "big city" hub they depend on for a lot of their more advanced healthcare. Thankfully, they seem to be taking this pretty seriously.
"Big City" is relative I guess. Albany is a bit larger than Statesboro but is positioned similarly. You'd think small to medium size cities in rural Georgia would be less at risk for what's happen there. If he's right and this is coming to all of us in the country I'm more than concerned.
(03-25-2020 11:54 AM)chiefsfan Wrote: It’s been around long enough that chances are decent someone on this forum had it and got over it without knowing.
My kids' small school got ravaged by some unknown flu-like bug back in early January (coincidentally, after two families went to China and Korea to see grandparents over Christmas). One week, less than half the students were in school. In our household, we all had dry coughs, fevers, aching, the whole deal. One of my daughter's friends was so sick her mom took her to the doc but she tested negative for flu. With rest, she got better in a few days. This was about a week before the first confirmed case in the US and two weeks before the China travel ban. No one was doing any testing for this virus at the time.
My wife and the other moms have been talking on FB and are convinced we all got Wuhan'ed.
On a related note, Oxford (UK) researchers announced yesterday that they suspect half of all Brits have already been infected and recovered. They are currently looking for a way to test enough people to prove or reject their hypothesis. This would also line up with the accidental petri-dish that was the Diamond Princess cruise ship where 100% of the population was exposed and tested, but 80% were not infected, 60% of those infected never showed any symptoms, and the population-wide death rate is 0.2%. Also, this winter was the worst "flu" season for deaths in years, maybe it wasn't the flu?
While its encouraging to hear and all makes perfect sense, I'm dubious because there was not, that I'm aware at least, a strain on hospitals until now.
The strain on the hospitals, in part, has been created by the media hype of this virus. Before when you had those symptoms you stayed home for a few days, recovered, and went on with it, now people are freaking out thinking it’s a death sentence and head to the hospital and overload the system.
I've actually looked in this a bit more since posting above the other day. I think this assertion that the strain is in part media driven may carry some water - but unlike most media-driven panics, it may not be all bad.
I found a graph overlaying pneumonia death from all causes for the last 10 flu seasons. Each year was broken out by week on the X axis, and it was updated thru last week. Things like covid, AIDS, the flu, etc don't directly kill people, they cause pneumonia which actually does the killing. So comparing flu season pneumonia deaths from all sources from year to year is useful to gauge the extent of the problem.
The results showed that pneumonia deaths are actually down this year, even with covid on the loose, and reached this year's peak in the third week of January (coincidentally the same week my wife thinks our family had the virsus referenced above) and has been on a steady decline ever since.
Why, may we all ask, are pneumonia deaths down even with covid running wild, hospitals swamped, and death tolls posted on the news like a sports ticker? The site also posted an overlay of hospital visits during the same time period. Wouldn't you know, hospital visits spiked after February and are nearly double every previous years. The panic is overwhelming the medical system, but is very likely saving lives.
That being said, if the death toll from all pneumonias is actually less than a normal flu season, is all this worth it?
Trump is supposed to release his plan to reopen economy this week. From leaks the plan is to base it on when each state is scheduled to peak in terms of virus cases. (Moving target, but for most Mid April) Once infections go down for a 10-14 day period than states will begin to reopen things in phases.
Phase 1: (Where everyone is now) Strong Social Distancing. Domestic Travel Restrictions Non Essential Businesses closed. Depending on state, Stay at home orders.
Phase 2: (likely late April to early May) Plan at this point is to have a serology test available to see who is immune already, and rapid testing fully in place. Schools/Child Care Facilities/Churches etc will re open first along with non essential businesses. People with compromised Immune Systems will likely be asked to still work from home. Theatres and entertainment places will be allowed to re open with limited seating most likely. Professional Sports will get the go ahead but will likely proceed without fans for the time being as gatherings of thousands will not be doable. Domestic travel will be lifted to non hot spots.
Phase 3: At this point either virus levels are almost non existent, or an effective treatment or vaccine is in place. At this point everything will be allowed to reopen. This is a moving target. It might be late summer, it might be early 2021.
Phase 4: Economic measures in place to allow economy to completely recover
Most of this will follow what WHO says the most important guideline is, expanded testing. The general belief is that lockdowns will not work in the US, and based on Italy, likely have a muted effect on the Virus itself. While what China did worked, China's numbers are very questionable. Especially with reliable data saying that the Virus had been spreading since November in some places.
I’m disappointed, but also understand the reason. Another 30 days of doing what we have been doing for what seems like for so long, and it’s only been 2 weeks so far. I am ready for this BS to be over.
Good luck to everyone, economically this is going to be rough. Can banks survive giving everyone a free month of bills???
(03-27-2020 12:47 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: No one in their right mind would object to providing whatever health care that exist to save someone or enhance quality of life no matter as long as we can afford it.
US taxes are low relative to those in other developed countries.. Taxes exceeded 40 percent of GDP in seven European countries, including Denmark and France, where taxes were greater than 45 percent of GDP. But those countries generally provide more extensive government services than the United States does.
Funny how our military liberated all those countries. I say be damd with it and do away with the US military. We'd all be rich like the French and Canadians.
Well now you have my attention. Just how rich are the rice French and Canadians? Just so you know, they also have military planes, tanks, and stuff like that.
(03-29-2020 06:07 PM)Usajags Wrote: I’m disappointed, but also understand the reason. Another 30 days of doing what we have been doing for what seems like for so long, and it’s only been 2 weeks so far. I am ready for this BS to be over.
Good luck to everyone, economically this is going to be rough. Can banks survive giving everyone a free month of bills???
I think one month can be survived. Anything longer likely not. It’s a sensible compromise with experts worried about accelerating the disease
Admittedly Liberty didn’t help matters reopening campus only for 12 students to show up sick. Yes they were sick before they got there. But still
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(03-29-2020 06:07 PM)Usajags Wrote: I’m disappointed, but also understand the reason. Another 30 days of doing what we have been doing for what seems like for so long, and it’s only been 2 weeks so far. I am ready for this BS to be over.
Good luck to everyone, economically this is going to be rough. Can banks survive giving everyone a free month of bills???
I think one month can be survived. Anything longer likely not. It’s a sensible compromise with experts worried about accelerating the disease
Admittedly Liberty didn’t help matters reopening campus only for 12 students to show up sick. Yes they were sick before they got there. But still
I'll be thrilled if this is really over in a month. Don't know if I believe it. I'm afraid this part of the country will just be peaking at that point in time.
(03-29-2020 06:07 PM)Usajags Wrote: I’m disappointed, but also understand the reason. Another 30 days of doing what we have been doing for what seems like for so long, and it’s only been 2 weeks so far. I am ready for this BS to be over.
Good luck to everyone, economically this is going to be rough. Can banks survive giving everyone a free month of bills???
I think one month can be survived. Anything longer likely not. It’s a sensible compromise with experts worried about accelerating the disease
Admittedly Liberty didn’t help matters reopening campus only for 12 students to show up sick. Yes they were sick before they got there. But still
I'll be thrilled if this is really over in a month. Don't know if I believe it. I'm afraid this part of the country will just be peaking at that point in time.
No one said it would be over in a month, just that the economy would be allowed to reopen in phases. That's been the plan all along. Try and get through as much of April as we can and then begin reopening the economy slowly. The goal is to find a way to open up schools/child care facilities etc so that small businesses can reopen. As a country, virus or not, most citizens won't be able to afford going much past that date.
Arkansas Still thinks they'll peak in about 3 weeks.
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Because this is a sports themed internet message board designed to leap to conclusions and spread rumors, I'm just going to throw this out here with little context or expertise and only a very brief summary statement.
Short summary: The weekly peak for death of all flu-related viruses (including Covid 19) was in January, the number of deaths for the season are still significantly low compared to prior years. There would need to be over 40,000 additional deaths in the US to reach the '17-18 season's numbers.
(consider: covid 19 is not the flu but is related to the flu and the common cold as both are older and more common forms of coronavirus)
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(03-27-2020 12:47 PM)Oldyeller Wrote: No one in their right mind would object to providing whatever health care that exist to save someone or enhance quality of life no matter as long as we can afford it.
US taxes are low relative to those in other developed countries.. Taxes exceeded 40 percent of GDP in seven European countries, including Denmark and France, where taxes were greater than 45 percent of GDP. But those countries generally provide more extensive government services than the United States does.
Funny how our military liberated all those countries. I say be damd with it and do away with the US military. We'd all be rich like the French and Canadians.
Well now you have my attention. Just how rich are the rice French and Canadians? Just so you know, they also have military planes, tanks, and stuff like that.
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