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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
(03-20-2020 10:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The thing that is NEVER brought up is, "What is the threshold we are trying to attain in which all of this will end and restaurants, businesses, schools etc. will open back up?" As long as there is testing people will have this virus. It is not going away, EVER. Just like Swine flu, Sars, Mers, you name it.

among many others, a number of us on this board have brought up that point...

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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
(03-20-2020 10:43 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 10:34 AM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  The thing that is NEVER brought up is, "What is the threshold we are trying to attain in which all of this will end and restaurants, businesses, schools etc. will open back up?" As long as there is testing people will have this virus. It is not going away, EVER. Just like Swine flu, Sars, Mers, you name it.

among many others, a number of us on this board have brought up that point...

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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Season cxled due to coronavirus.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
(03-20-2020 12:32 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Season cxled due to coronavirus.

Then "A poaching I will go, a poaching I will go, hi-ho the derry-o a poaching I will go"
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Gotta watch out for those ticks and vipers.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
Quote:The U.S. Small Business Administration is offering low-interest federal disaster loans for working capital to small businesses suffering substantial economic injury as a result of the Coronavirus (COVID-19). SBA acted under its own authority, as provided by the Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act that was recently signed by the President, to declare a disaster.

Small businesses, private non-profit organizations of any size, small agricultural cooperatives and small aquaculture enterprises that have been financially impacted as a direct result of the Coronavirus (COVID-19) since Jan. 31, 2020, may qualify for Economic Injury Disaster Loans of up to $2 million to help meet financial obligations and operating expenses which could have been met had the disaster not occurred.

These loans may be used to pay fixed debts, payroll, accounts payable and other bills that can’t be paid because of the disaster’s impact. Disaster loans can provide vital economic assistance to small businesses to help overcome the temporary loss of revenue they are experiencing.

Eligibility for Economic Injury Disaster Loans is based on the financial impact of the Coronavirus (COVID-19). The interest rate is 3.75 percent for small businesses. The interest rate for private non-profit organizations is 2.75 percent. SBA offers loans with long-term repayments in order to keep payments affordable, up to a maximum of 30 years and are available to entities without the financial ability to offset the adverse impact without hardship.

Applicants may apply online, receive additional disaster assistance information and download applications at https://disasterloan.sba.gov/ela. Applicants may also call SBA’s Customer Service Center at (800) 659-2955 or email [email protected] for more information on SBA disaster assistance. Individuals who are deaf or hard‑of‑hearing may call (800) 877-8339. Completed applications should be mailed to U.S. Small Business Administration, Processing and Disbursement Center, 14925 Kingsport Road, Fort Worth, TX 76155.

The deadline to apply for an Economic Injury Disaster Loan is Dec. 18, 2020.

Glad there are provisions made for smaller businesses, but concerned that taking on debt is a method. Understand it needs to be an option, though. People need to be careful and not take more than they absolutely need. Don;t want another student loan situation of people taking money for things that turn out not to be worth what they borrowed.
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(03-20-2020 12:35 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Gotta watch out for those ticks and vipers.

Permethrin and snake boots!

And .40 for the two legged kind.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Turkeys have taken over at home. I've got about 10-12 toms to choose from.
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(03-20-2020 12:49 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Turkeys have taken over at home. I've got about 10-12 toms to choose from.

If what we saw during deer season holds true we should have an excellent season. One morning six of us each saw groups of at least six gobblers (with the largest group being nine) in totally different parts of our property. Our turkey population seems to be booming the past few years, which is a direct contradiction to what SCDNR is saying is happening statewide.
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(03-20-2020 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 12:49 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 12:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm now at the point where I'm just counting down the days until April 1 and the season opens so I can go shoot a gobbler in the face.

Turkeys have taken over at home. I've got about 10-12 toms to choose from.

If what we saw during deer season holds true we should have an excellent season. One morning six of us each saw groups of at least six gobblers (with the largest group being nine) in totally different parts of our property. Our turkey population seems to be booming the past few years, which is a direct contradiction to what SCDNR is saying is happening statewide.


We have somewhere north of 50 on the farm. We've been helping though, trying to get rid of fireants, foxes, etc. They turkey have certainly responded well, but the quail are lagging behind.
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(03-18-2020 08:58 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I almost lost it at the office (yes I'm working in the office, you home working cowards!).. this nurse basically went on a rant about stupid people and c-19




Some news network would increase their rating by hiring this woman to do the last 45 to 60 seconds of daily rants. Just like with Paul Harvey the rest of the story. But I guess with today's world she would offend someone

Loved her and will watch a few of her videos later tonight.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
Here we go--From today's news conference/update; this is exactly one major thing I have been concerned about:

Quote:Trump said he expects the stimulus to come in “phases,” so that if the initial checks don’t fuel the economy, the government will “keep doing it,” referring to continuing to administer stimulus checks to Americans.

“We’re also talking about doing phases if this doesn’t work,” he said. “Once we get the economy back − and the invisible enemy is defeated − it’ll all come back to us rather quickly.”


Here's where President Trump diverges from being a true conservative. Spending like a Democrat on things that don't actually solve the problem, and arguably weaken things. Bernie and Biden should be proud, except Trump in this area is doing what they would do first...

I believe this to be irresponsible government overreach, at a time when the nation is in so much additional debt, mainly caused by the last administration and president who doubled the nation's lifetime national debt (not just the annual deficit, which was bad enough), leaving our country in a much weaker situation for this president. Despite the strong economy, there was seemingly little talk or real effort to pay down our national debt to something reasonable, or preferably to zero, so our country would be stronger, and better able to handle random unforeseen shocks like this that inevitably come.

Now, we have many Republicans and the president joining the far-left to spend like socialists on literal handouts that are stated to be open-ended and repeatable. In WWII, when the government opened the spigots of spending after FDR ruined the economy by his harmful and misguided overspending and government programs that extended that recession into a Great depression that lasted far longer than it should, at least the government got back many items of value for its spending, while important goods were mostly willingly rationed by those on the home-front: planes were built, tanks, cars, trucks and much infrastructure--people went to work in factories and offices building and helping things get done. Few stayed home.

Also, and importantly, to help fund this spending, the government sold War Bonds, so that Americans rich and poorer could help directly provide the funding for the war effort. Our leadership would do well to remember that finding a way to get value for what it is about to add to the national debt is an important and seemingly largely missing component of the action it is taking, and there should also be an investment opportunity a la war bonds for all that seems to be glaringly missing.

For those who may remember, it was during the Obama administrations shellacking of the economy and extending the misery cause by Democratic irresponsibility by insisting on loans being given to folks who had no business getting them based upon lack of ability to repay, and easing the supply of loans and debt to an extent that some people were being hounded to take on more debt. At the same time a "stimulus" check was given to most American citizens of $300 that did absolutely Nothing, Zero, Nada to actually stimulate the economy, and made the situation worse, not better. That money to date has still not been paid back, which might have helped a little to fund the present nonsense plan for more of the same. *Note: I was one of the few American citizens who stood up and did NOT take any stimulus, as I saw through that charade back then.

In President's defense, I am glad that unlike under the Obama fiasco, they seem to be putting some restrictions on the handouts.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
I also diverge at the moment with the President's assessment in my post above that things will come back quickly. While I think any Democrat-originated plan and big spending handout program would invariably be worse (again, I am grateful the President's people see the need to have limits and qualifications for these payments, and I assume for the moment they will only be going to actual US citizens--illegal-border-crossers and other criminals need not apply, which hopefully is the case), I am doubtful, based on thee amount of damage being done to the regular, everyday small businessman and worker portion of the economy that things will bounce back as quickly or as neatly as the president states. We have seen toom often in history how throwing money, especially direct payments, at an issue in this way only leads to more waste and misuse, rarely if ever having the intended effects of the legislatures--how else do you think we got into so much national debt in the first place? Entitlements need to be reigned in, not added to, or at least a plan, not one of mthose 10 year BS things, but a short term "we will pay this back within a year" plan needs to be part of any type of handout program. I'm not optimistic this is better than weathering the storm of everybody getting the virus and building up immunities, a few folks succumbing as happend in our hnation before with thins like poilo, and the rest of us keeping the stong economy going through staying at work and in contact with eachother andf the using targeted reseources to fight the virus and create vaccines specifically.

A better plan to me would be for the government to fund shipments of cleaning supplies like bleach, towels et cetera..., sanitizer (or just simply bottles of isopropyl alcohol which are cheaper and do the same thing- maybe some inexpensive moisturizer to use afterwards, instead of the higher-priced stuff) and a case or two of chicken noodle and vegetable soup to every US citizen below a certain income. Along with opening schools back up immediately and workplaces and restaurants, that would be far more effective, and provide more value then the unrestricted handouts being proposed, IMO.

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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
In 2009, under the Obamas debacle, Swine Flu infected 60 million Americans and killed 12,000. The seasonal flu infects tens of millions of Americans every year. This year, we’re projected to have 32-49 million Americans infected by the flu, with 18-50,000 deaths. The coronabug is an issue to be sure, but we’re nowhere near these numbers yet. And NBC News wants to start a panic.
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RE: This seems to be an overreaction
So far, there have been some 151,000 cases worldwide that are classified as Mild Coronavirus, with over 100,000 people making full recoveries. Those points are almost never reported as such and rarely emphasized when the scare tactic slant is used.
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(03-20-2020 06:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  In 2009, under the Obamas debacle, Swine Flu infected 60 million Americans and killed 12,000. The seasonal flu infects tens of millions of Americans every year. This year, we’re projected to have 32-49 million Americans infected by the flu, with 18-50,000 deaths. The coronabug is an issue to be sure, but we’re nowhere near these numbers yet. And NBC News wants to start a panic.

The corona numbers will be included in the pneumonia death count. As 40-50k Americans die from pneumonia every year.
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(03-20-2020 06:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  In 2009, under the Obamas debacle, Swine Flu infected 60 million Americans and killed 12,000. The seasonal flu infects tens of millions of Americans every year. This year, we’re projected to have 32-49 million Americans infected by the flu, with 18-50,000 deaths. The coronabug is an issue to be sure, but we’re nowhere near these numbers yet. And NBC News wants to start a panic.

Well, the panic is here. I'd love to see the normal flu charted daily as the WuFlu is here:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Some perspective would be nice. Many of us can appreciate the raw numbers you've presented, but it's obvious that others need a visual representation.
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I think it is absurd that this virus is currently in 100+ countries because some fool in China ate bat soup. This virus is and has been around for a while. Now it may have been very prevalent there and spread from there but was everywhere to begin with.
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(03-20-2020 06:33 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 06:08 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  In 2009, under the Obamas debacle, Swine Flu infected 60 million Americans and killed 12,000. The seasonal flu infects tens of millions of Americans every year. This year, we’re projected to have 32-49 million Americans infected by the flu, with 18-50,000 deaths. The coronabug is an issue to be sure, but we’re nowhere near these numbers yet. And NBC News wants to start a panic.

The corona numbers will be included in the pneumonia death count. As 40-50k Americans die from pneumonia every year.

Yeah, but the media and Dumbocrats say: "Who cares?" to that. They can't scare you with real numbers about actual things that kill large numbers of people. But they can inflate a mostly mild bug into something that shuts down the economy and hurts poor and working people by doing so...Dumbocrits are good at hurting poor people. To quote their current leader, that's " you know, the(ir) thing."
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