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(07-16-2020 12:28 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  RE Florida: We don't really know what their %positive is since a bunch of testing facilities are not reporting negative test results.

I tend to agree with Ever on the point that the cat is out of the bag at this point, and all we can do is identify hotspots and shut them down for a couple weeks as needed to flatten those specific curves. The reality is that the country as a whole is not on fire right now. There are some places that are on fire, but not the same type of fire that we saw in NY early on. We also know that hospitals have become much better at treating COVID resulting in much lower case fatality rates and shorter hospital stays, so it is unlikely we will see anything like we saw in the early days of this disease again.

There is also positive news on the HIT front as more studies related to T Cell immunity are leading some to believe HIT may be between 10%-20% rather than the 60%-80% range that was originally expected. If this turns out to be true, it could be the biggest positive news we have gotten about this virus, since according to CDC estimates, we are beginning to approach that many infected people.

So because we haven't done it means it can't be done despite the fact that it's been done in other countries? The truth is people aren't willing, there's a lot of misinformation and we have piss poor national leadership.

That would be great news regarding HIT but we'll still need a vaccine to get there. The antibodies people are getting from being infected are depleting within months. We can't get 10-20% of the population infected within months without disastrous results. Natural obtained herd immunity is an irresponsible public policy but also may not be possible. If the 10-20% number is true it will clearly help since 30% say they won't take a vaccine. But there's still plenty of speculation at this point with more unknown than known. All we can really do is slow the spread.

You know why? People are done with it and sick of being lied and dictated to.

It’s just a mask. It’s just six feet. It’s just two weeks. It’s just for non essential businesses. It’s just for non essential employees. It’s just a bar. It’s just a restaurant. It's just a salon. It's just to not overwhelm hospitals. It’s just until the cases go down. It’s just to flatten the curve. It’s just a few inmates. It’s just to keep others from being infected. It's just a few more weeks. It’s just church. It’s just until we get a vaccine. It’s just an app. It’s just for tracing. It’s just to let people know you have no temperature. It’s just so others know who you’ve been in contact with. It’s just a few more months. It’s just a few more inmates. It's just for large gatherings. It's just until the clinical trials are complete. It’s just an account. It's just to prevent hateful speech. It's just to stop hateful content. It's just to prevent false political stories. It’s just a peaceful protest. It's just to punish bad cops. It's just a statue. It's just a monument. It's just some graffiti. It's just them doing what they do. It's just their freedom of speech. It's just their freedom of expression. It's just to show solidarity. It's just a few sqaure blocks. It's just a curfew. It's just an anthem. It's just a flag. It's just a football game. It's just to protect the children. It's just a little fine. It's just to prevent a spike. It's just to achieve distancing. It's just some skewed statistics. It's just so people can safely vote. It's just a debate. It's just a few gaffes. It's just to protect his son. It's just a veiled threat. It's just a radio show. It's just a White House meeting. It just slipped his mind. It's just a change in beliefs. It's just a clump of cells. It's just for choice. It's just a false story. It's just until proof is shown. It's just for 2 years until after he retires. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. It's just a Chrismas song. It's just a textbook. It's just a slave owner. It's just a founding father. It's just an outdated amendment. It's just the electoral college. It's just petroleum products. It's just fracking. It's just innocents seeking asylum. It's just a border. It's just a mean spirited tyrant building a wall. It's just educational opportunities for impoverished minorities. It's just the underprivileged feeling frustrated. It's just shoplifting to feed their family..

Do you see how it's NOT just about a mask or whatever the societal degrating flavor of the week is?

You forgot some...

Its Just the flu
It's Just not a big deal
It's Just a China thing
It just kills old people in nursing homes
Its just an urban thing
If we just shut our borders
If we just close our eyes and say it isn't true it really isn't happening

All things Chump and Dense have said or encourage us to do, all have been wrong, all have not stemmed the spread of the virus. Some how I think the CDC has a bit more understanding of and expertise in infectious diseases than most.
Close your eyes and pout, but when Alabama is requiring masks you know the $h!t has hit the fan.

Beautiful how some people cant talk Politics without getting in a few jabs or name calling.

BigBlueMonarch, may I ask how old you are?

Why does that matter? Let's just say I am closer to retirement than college

(07-16-2020 11:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  [quote='mturn017' pid='16906541' dateline='1594906679']

That's clearly still the problem. We need to pretty much double the amount of testing just to keep it from surging (like it is now) and be rolling out several million tests a day if we wanted to suppress it. We do that and wear masks then we're not having this debate about going back to schools. The administrations goal is to be able to do about 3 million tests a day by September, which is a lot more than we're doing now but the problem is that by September we'll need even more daily tests due to more active cases. You said Florida's percent positive went down but not down to a level where they can contain it and not even close to a level where they can suppress it.

RE Florida: We don't really know what their %positive is since a bunch of testing facilities are not reporting negative test results.

I tend to agree with Ever on the point that the cat is out of the bag at this point, and all we can do is identify hotspots and shut them down for a couple weeks as needed to flatten those specific curves. The reality is that the country as a whole is not on fire right now. There are some places that are on fire, but not the same type of fire that we saw in NY early on. We also know that hospitals have become much better at treating COVID resulting in much lower case fatality rates and shorter hospital stays, so it is unlikely we will see anything like we saw in the early days of this disease again.

There is also positive news on the HIT front as more studies related to T Cell immunity are leading some to believe HIT may be between 10%-20% rather than the 60%-80% range that was originally expected. If this turns out to be true, it could be the biggest positive news we have gotten about this virus, since according to CDC estimates, we are beginning to approach that many infected people.

So because we haven't done it means it can't be done despite the fact that it's been done in other countries? The truth is people aren't willing, there's a lot of misinformation and we have piss poor national leadership.

That would be great news regarding HIT but we'll still need a vaccine to get there. The antibodies people are getting from being infected are depleting within months. We can't get 10-20% of the population infected within months without disastrous results. Natural obtained herd immunity is an irresponsible public policy but also may not be possible. If the 10-20% number is true it will clearly help since 30% say they won't take a vaccine. But there's still plenty of speculation at this point with more unknown than known. All we can really do is slow the spread.

You know why? People are done with it and sick of being lied and dictated to.

It’s just a mask. It’s just six feet. It’s just two weeks. It’s just for non essential businesses. It’s just for non essential employees. It’s just a bar. It’s just a restaurant. It's just a salon. It's just to not overwhelm hospitals. It’s just until the cases go down. It’s just to flatten the curve. It’s just a few inmates. It’s just to keep others from being infected. It's just a few more weeks. It’s just church. It’s just until we get a vaccine. It’s just an app. It’s just for tracing. It’s just to let people know you have no temperature. It’s just so others know who you’ve been in contact with. It’s just a few more months. It’s just a few more inmates. It's just for large gatherings. It's just until the clinical trials are complete. It’s just an account. It's just to prevent hateful speech. It's just to stop hateful content. It's just to prevent false political stories. It’s just a peaceful protest. It's just to punish bad cops. It's just a statue. It's just a monument. It's just some graffiti. It's just them doing what they do. It's just their freedom of speech. It's just their freedom of expression. It's just to show solidarity. It's just a few sqaure blocks. It's just a curfew. It's just an anthem. It's just a flag. It's just a football game. It's just to protect the children. It's just a little fine. It's just to prevent a spike. It's just to achieve distancing. It's just some skewed statistics. It's just so people can safely vote. It's just a debate. It's just a few gaffes. It's just to protect his son. It's just a veiled threat. It's just a radio show. It's just a White House meeting. It just slipped his mind. It's just a change in beliefs. It's just a clump of cells. It's just for choice. It's just a false story. It's just until proof is shown. It's just for 2 years until after he retires. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. It's just a Chrismas song. It's just a textbook. It's just a slave owner. It's just a founding father. It's just an outdated amendment. It's just the electoral college. It's just petroleum products. It's just fracking. It's just innocents seeking asylum. It's just a border. It's just a mean spirited tyrant building a wall. It's just educational opportunities for impoverished minorities. It's just the underprivileged feeling frustrated. It's just shoplifting to feed their family..

Do you see how it's NOT just about a mask or whatever the societal degrating flavor of the week is?

You forgot some...

Its Just the flu
It's Just not a big deal
It's Just a China thing
It just kills old people in nursing homes
Its just an urban thing
If we just shut our borders
If we just close our eyes and say it isn't true it really isn't happening

All things Chump and Dense have said or encourage us to do, all have been wrong, all have not stemmed the spread of the virus. Some how I think the CDC has a bit more understanding of and expertise in infectious diseases than most.
Close your eyes and pout, but when Alabama is requiring masks you know the $h!t has hit the fan.

Democrat
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyreg...lasio.html
Democrat
https://www.allsides.com/news/2020-03-31...ayed-virus
Democrat
https://www.cerescourier.com/opinion/edi...ravel-ban/

Can we now drop the politics?

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(07-16-2020 06:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I've got a prediction: at the end of the day, Florida, California, Texas, and New York are going to wind up with the most cases. Alaska and Wyoming are going to wind up with the least cases. And there isn't anything any of the governors, Trump, or Biden can do about it. In other words, the virus is here and it is going to run its course.

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Alaskan cases were up 263% over the last 14 days. An outbreak in Fairbanks was tied to a Midnight Solstice baseball game laste last month according to my man on the ground...

(07-16-2020 08:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 05:43 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 10:33 PM)RoanokeMonarch Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 06:18 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(07-15-2020 03:10 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Lol, you haven't refuted anything from that group.

Do you believe in their conspiracy theories?

I dropped out of this ridiculous discussion when I decided to make the only rational decision that I could and that was to stop talking and get on with living my life to the fullest extent possible.

Meanwhile the Coalition of the Fear Everything and the Coalition of the Fear Nothing have gone on for nearly 50 pages of talking past one another. Each side citing their "experts" and denigrating the other sides "experts" with no end in sight. Truly a microcosm of life today in America.

Well boys, continue the march, and I'll keep checking in daily for a sad laugh.

As someone checking in periodically, I am blown away with this topic.
Here here. I’m gone too.

IMO our conservative brethren are guilty of continually moving the goalposts: "cases don't matter, hospitalizations are what's important, no...positive rates are, no...ICU cases, no...deaths, no...cases are down, that's what matters'' and round and round. Saying that teachers are either more/less essential than Walmart workers (depending on the day and how it fits their schtick) when both are essential to both the economy and their families, and neither should be thrust into a front-line position on the war on COVID. It's a muddying of the waters that comes from the highest levels here in the US.

This is just not true. I have said cases are a terrible metric nearly from day one because the number is entirely dependent on the number of people tested. Florida tested 143k people the other day, and the news on that day was that it was the highest day ever for positive tests... It was also the highest day ever for testing, and the percentage of positives actually went down that day. Remember when folks on your side of this argument were saying the whole problem in America was that we couldn't test enough? Problem solved, but hysteria continues.

To your point about teachers, I have not heard one person on this board who is on the "conservative" side say that teachers are not essential.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus...story.html

Quote:The method used to calculate the “positivity rate” — a critical measure of the pandemic’s progression — puts more emphasis on negative tests, skewing the results in that direction.A person who tests positive is counted only once, but negative tests can be counted repeatedly if the same person got more than one test.

(07-16-2020 09:23 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 05:43 AM)Grommet Wrote:  IMO our conservative brethren are guilty of continually moving the goalposts: "cases don't matter, hospitalizations are what's important, no...positive rates are, no...ICU cases, no...deaths, no...cases are down, that's what matters'' and round and round. Saying that teachers are either more/less essential than Walmart workers (depending on the day and how it fits their schtick) when both are essential to both the economy and their families, and neither should be thrust into a front-line position on the war on COVID. It's a muddying of the waters that comes from the highest levels here in the US.

You've offered up a very good post. But I've extracted the part that I strongly disagree with. It is absolutely NOT the conservative-leaning posters who have been moving any goalposts in this discussion. That has entirely been on the left-leaning participants.

Has there been some confusion on how to interpret the data? Most certainly. The data is confusing, and I immediately discount posts that treat the data as wholly one way or the other. Whatever point it may prove today will be undermined or completely different tomorrow. But that is not goalpost moving.

Moving the goalposts instead is:

=> It's just to flatten the curve - - only to migrate the threshold to an effective vaccine or therapy.
=> It's just for two more weeks - - only understated by a factor of 800% and growing.
=> It's just to protect the most vulnerable - - only to define "most vulnerable" as literally everyone who we may come in contact with in our daily lives.

That, at least to me, is what goalpost moving looks like.

I am truly shocked and amazed that the 'other side' disagrees with my assertion that they move the goalposts.

(07-16-2020 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:37 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:16 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  This is just not true. I have said cases are a terrible metric nearly from day one because the number is entirely dependent on the number of people tested. Florida tested 143k people the other day, and the news on that day was that it was the highest day ever for positive tests... It was also the highest day ever for testing, and the percentage of positives actually went down that day. Remember when folks on your side of this argument were saying the whole problem in America was that we couldn't test enough? Problem solved, but hysteria continues.

To your point about teachers, I have not heard one person on this board who is on the "conservative" side say that teachers are not essential.

That's clearly still the problem. We need to pretty much double the amount of testing just to keep it from surging (like it is now) and be rolling out several million tests a day if we wanted to suppress it. We do that and wear masks then we're not having this debate about going back to schools. The administrations goal is to be able to do about 3 million tests a day by September, which is a lot more than we're doing now but the problem is that by September we'll need even more daily tests due to more active cases. You said Florida's percent positive went down but not down to a level where they can contain it and not even close to a level where they can suppress it.

RE Florida: We don't really know what their %positive is since a bunch of testing facilities are not reporting negative test results.

I tend to agree with Ever on the point that the cat is out of the bag at this point, and all we can do is identify hotspots and shut them down for a couple weeks as needed to flatten those specific curves. The reality is that the country as a whole is not on fire right now. There are some places that are on fire, but not the same type of fire that we saw in NY early on. We also know that hospitals have become much better at treating COVID resulting in much lower case fatality rates and shorter hospital stays, so it is unlikely we will see anything like we saw in the early days of this disease again.

There is also positive news on the HIT front as more studies related to T Cell immunity are leading some to believe HIT may be between 10%-20% rather than the 60%-80% range that was originally expected. If this turns out to be true, it could be the biggest positive news we have gotten about this virus, since according to CDC estimates, we are beginning to approach that many infected people.

So because we haven't done it means it can't be done despite the fact that it's been done in other countries? The truth is people aren't willing, there's a lot of misinformation and we have piss poor national leadership.

That would be great news regarding HIT but we'll still need a vaccine to get there. The antibodies people are getting from being infected are depleting within months. We can't get 10-20% of the population infected within months without disastrous results. Natural obtained herd immunity is an irresponsible public policy but also may not be possible. If the 10-20% number is true it will clearly help since 30% say they won't take a vaccine. But there's still plenty of speculation at this point with more unknown than known. All we can really do is slow the spread.

You know why? People are done with it and sick of being lied and dictated to.

It’s just a mask. It’s just six feet. It’s just two weeks. It’s just for non essential businesses. It’s just for non essential employees. It’s just a bar. It’s just a restaurant. It's just a salon. It's just to not overwhelm hospitals. It’s just until the cases go down. It’s just to flatten the curve. It’s just a few inmates. It’s just to keep others from being infected. It's just a few more weeks. It’s just church. It’s just until we get a vaccine. It’s just an app. It’s just for tracing. It’s just to let people know you have no temperature. It’s just so others know who you’ve been in contact with. It’s just a few more months. It’s just a few more inmates. It's just for large gatherings. It's just until the clinical trials are complete. It’s just an account. It's just to prevent hateful speech. It's just to stop hateful content. It's just to prevent false political stories. It’s just a peaceful protest. It's just to punish bad cops. It's just a statue. It's just a monument. It's just some graffiti. It's just them doing what they do. It's just their freedom of speech. It's just their freedom of expression. It's just to show solidarity. It's just a few sqaure blocks. It's just a curfew. It's just an anthem. It's just a flag. It's just a football game. It's just to protect the children. It's just a little fine. It's just to prevent a spike. It's just to achieve distancing. It's just some skewed statistics. It's just so people can safely vote. It's just a debate. It's just a few gaffes. It's just to protect his son. It's just a veiled threat. It's just a radio show. It's just a White House meeting. It just slipped his mind. It's just a change in beliefs. It's just a clump of cells. It's just for choice. It's just a false story. It's just until proof is shown. It's just for 2 years until after he retires. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. It's just a Chrismas song. It's just a textbook. It's just a slave owner. It's just a founding father. It's just an outdated amendment. It's just the electoral college. It's just petroleum products. It's just fracking. It's just innocents seeking asylum. It's just a border. It's just a mean spirited tyrant building a wall. It's just educational opportunities for impoverished minorities. It's just the underprivileged feeling frustrated. It's just shoplifting to feed their family..

Do you see how it's NOT just about a mask or whatever the societal degrating flavor of the week is?

Ho. Lee. Fuk.

It's just a tin-foil hat...

Reading Florida reporting a 30% positivity rate for kids. OOOOOPS

(07-16-2020 08:24 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Reading Florida reporting a 30% positivity rate for kids. OOOOOPS

Schools were the first thing closed. Kids have not been exposed to this virus at the same rate adults have been. They have been kept at home and protected since March. No one has any real data about this virus and its impact on kids. If you want to see how kids will be impacted by this virus, open the schools. The number of cases will skyrocket in short order no matter what protocols you put in place in the buildings.

(07-16-2020 12:28 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  RE Florida: We don't really know what their %positive is since a bunch of testing facilities are not reporting negative test results.

I tend to agree with Ever on the point that the cat is out of the bag at this point, and all we can do is identify hotspots and shut them down for a couple weeks as needed to flatten those specific curves. The reality is that the country as a whole is not on fire right now. There are some places that are on fire, but not the same type of fire that we saw in NY early on. We also know that hospitals have become much better at treating COVID resulting in much lower case fatality rates and shorter hospital stays, so it is unlikely we will see anything like we saw in the early days of this disease again.

There is also positive news on the HIT front as more studies related to T Cell immunity are leading some to believe HIT may be between 10%-20% rather than the 60%-80% range that was originally expected. If this turns out to be true, it could be the biggest positive news we have gotten about this virus, since according to CDC estimates, we are beginning to approach that many infected people.

So because we haven't done it means it can't be done despite the fact that it's been done in other countries? The truth is people aren't willing, there's a lot of misinformation and we have piss poor national leadership.

That would be great news regarding HIT but we'll still need a vaccine to get there. The antibodies people are getting from being infected are depleting within months. We can't get 10-20% of the population infected within months without disastrous results. Natural obtained herd immunity is an irresponsible public policy but also may not be possible. If the 10-20% number is true it will clearly help since 30% say they won't take a vaccine. But there's still plenty of speculation at this point with more unknown than known. All we can really do is slow the spread.

You know why? People are done with it and sick of being lied and dictated to.

It’s just a mask. It’s just six feet. It’s just two weeks. It’s just for non essential businesses. It’s just for non essential employees. It’s just a bar. It’s just a restaurant. It's just a salon. It's just to not overwhelm hospitals. It’s just until the cases go down. It’s just to flatten the curve. It’s just a few inmates. It’s just to keep others from being infected. It's just a few more weeks. It’s just church. It’s just until we get a vaccine. It’s just an app. It’s just for tracing. It’s just to let people know you have no temperature. It’s just so others know who you’ve been in contact with. It’s just a few more months. It’s just a few more inmates. It's just for large gatherings. It's just until the clinical trials are complete. It’s just an account. It's just to prevent hateful speech. It's just to stop hateful content. It's just to prevent false political stories. It’s just a peaceful protest. It's just to punish bad cops. It's just a statue. It's just a monument. It's just some graffiti. It's just them doing what they do. It's just their freedom of speech. It's just their freedom of expression. It's just to show solidarity. It's just a few sqaure blocks. It's just a curfew. It's just an anthem. It's just a flag. It's just a football game. It's just to protect the children. It's just a little fine. It's just to prevent a spike. It's just to achieve distancing. It's just some skewed statistics. It's just so people can safely vote. It's just a debate. It's just a few gaffes. It's just to protect his son. It's just a veiled threat. It's just a radio show. It's just a White House meeting. It just slipped his mind. It's just a change in beliefs. It's just a clump of cells. It's just for choice. It's just a false story. It's just until proof is shown. It's just for 2 years until after he retires. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. It's just a Chrismas song. It's just a textbook. It's just a slave owner. It's just a founding father. It's just an outdated amendment. It's just the electoral college. It's just petroleum products. It's just fracking. It's just innocents seeking asylum. It's just a border. It's just a mean spirited tyrant building a wall. It's just educational opportunities for impoverished minorities. It's just the underprivileged feeling frustrated. It's just shoplifting to feed their family..

Do you see how it's NOT just about a mask or whatever the societal degrating flavor of the week is?

You forgot some...

Its Just the flu
It's Just not a big deal
It's Just a China thing
It just kills old people in nursing homes
Its just an urban thing
If we just shut our borders
If we just close our eyes and say it isn't true it really isn't happening

All things Chump and Dense have said or encourage us to do, all have been wrong, all have not stemmed the spread of the virus. Some how I think the CDC has a bit more understanding of and expertise in infectious diseases than most.
Close your eyes and pout, but when Alabama is requiring masks you know the $h!t has hit the fan.

Beautiful how some people cant talk Politics without getting in a few jabs or name calling.

BigBlueMonarch, may I ask how old you are?

And, mo dic, may I ask what industry you work in? I’m guessing construction.

(07-14-2020 08:22 AM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Did I hear this or am I dreaming? Devos herself said opening schools this fall would probably lead to a .02% fatality rate amomgst kids. That works out to about 14,700 dead children.

The main reason trump wants schools open is so parents can go back to work, thus lowering unemployment rate. It's all about him getting reelected, hell with collateral damage.

.02% of 75,000,000 (75 million) is 15,000. The United States has a population of about 328 million people. Not children. People. This math does not work. What am I missing?


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(07-16-2020 08:40 PM)GotLabradors Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:24 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Reading Florida reporting a 30% positivity rate for kids. OOOOOPS

Schools were the first thing closed. Kids have not been exposed to this virus at the same rate adults have been. They have been kept at home and protected since March. No one has any real data about this virus and its impact on kids. If you want to see how kids will be impacted by this virus, open the schools. The number of cases will skyrocket in short order no matter what protocols you put in place in the buildings.

Hard to tell. 30% of the kids getting tested which I imagine are sick or in households that have it. Family clusters have been a factor from the beginning. We’re not sure if they are spreading it as well (early indications say not). At the least they aren’t getting as sick as adults. Praise be to Jah. Long term effects are anyone’s guess. Right now though numbers are increasing through most of the country, we’re not building a safe environment for returning to school.

(07-16-2020 10:21 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:40 PM)GotLabradors Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:24 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Reading Florida reporting a 30% positivity rate for kids. OOOOOPS

Schools were the first thing closed. Kids have not been exposed to this virus at the same rate adults have been. They have been kept at home and protected since March. No one has any real data about this virus and its impact on kids. If you want to see how kids will be impacted by this virus, open the schools. The number of cases will skyrocket in short order no matter what protocols you put in place in the buildings.

Hard to tell. 30% of the kids getting tested which I imagine are sick or in households that have it. Family clusters have been a factor from the beginning. We’re not sure if they are spreading it as well (early indications say not). At the least they aren’t getting as sick as adults. Praise be to Jah. Long term effects are anyone’s guess. Right now though numbers are increasing through most of the country, we’re not building a safe environment for returning to school.

(07-16-2020 08:04 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 06:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I've got a prediction: at the end of the day, Florida, California, Texas, and New York are going to wind up with the most cases. Alaska and Wyoming are going to wind up with the least cases. And there isn't anything any of the governors, Trump, or Biden can do about it. In other words, the virus is here and it is going to run its course.

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Alaskan cases were up 263% over the last 14 days. An outbreak in Fairbanks was tied to a Midnight Solstice baseball game laste last month according to my man on the ground...

I'm sure. God forbid anyone have fun. Virus doesn't spread unless that's what you are doing. You can riot, protest, or shop at Walmart all day, just don't pick up a ball or go to a playground. You can drink at a restaurant, just don't try to eat at a bar. You'll kill everyone there.

My prediction is Alaska will be in the bottom 2-5 states at the end of the day. All states will see a wave at some point if they haven't already.

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(07-16-2020 08:49 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:40 PM)GotLabradors Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:24 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Reading Florida reporting a 30% positivity rate for kids. OOOOOPS

Schools were the first thing closed. Kids have not been exposed to this virus at the same rate adults have been. They have been kept at home and protected since March. No one has any real data about this virus and its impact on kids. If you want to see how kids will be impacted by this virus, open the schools. The number of cases will skyrocket in short order no matter what protocols you put in place in the buildings.

Yup.

And even if we're not witnessing immediate health issues with most children, what reason is there to play Russian roulette with kids? And why risk it not knowing the long-term health issues at all.

These questions are in addition to playing a dangerous game with the lives of our nation's teachers.

And if it was an absolute certainty that kids, teachers and the rest of us were all in mortal danger, we of course go back into a total shutdown.

But we don't know that. The WuFlu is not the black plague. It is, by all appearances, comparable or perhaps a bit worse than a normal flu season, with some risk of long-term, lingering effects. No one is wishing that on anyone (unless you are among the political nihilists who wanted something - - anything - - to take down the Orange Idiot).

So why then default to the hysterical end of this spectrum? We've tried a shutdown, and it did not contain the disease. Another one won't do any better.

Kids need to be in school. You may have the resources to take care of your own children independently, but many do not. And another lost year of education, interaction and keeping tabs on kids who are potentially vulnerable outside of the school is an absolute must.

Teachers need to do their jobs. There are risks and burdens that come with that. I, for one, could not teach. Not because I am afraid of the flu but instead because I don't have the stamina to deal with children for more than 45 minutes in any single day. But if you choose to go into the teaching field, you'd better be able to do your job. Someone who is afraid to run into a burning building ought not be a firefighter. Someone who is upset by confrontation ought not be a lawyer. Someone who is unwilling to be around children ought not be a teacher.

So if this is not driven by a sick political desire to bring today's America to its knees, what is the basis for your insistence on wreaking this kind of damage on our schoolchildren? What makes teachers more special than the rest of us, that they can decide not to perform their own profession during a crisis? What data has convinced you that this disease is more dangerous than the "cure" you and the teachers' union is insisting that we inflict upon our nation?

(07-17-2020 06:28 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:49 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:40 PM)GotLabradors Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:24 PM)VB Monarch Wrote:  Reading Florida reporting a 30% positivity rate for kids. OOOOOPS

Schools were the first thing closed. Kids have not been exposed to this virus at the same rate adults have been. They have been kept at home and protected since March. No one has any real data about this virus and its impact on kids. If you want to see how kids will be impacted by this virus, open the schools. The number of cases will skyrocket in short order no matter what protocols you put in place in the buildings.

Yup.

And even if we're not witnessing immediate health issues with most children, what reason is there to play Russian roulette with kids? And why risk it not knowing the long-term health issues at all.

These questions are in addition to playing a dangerous game with the lives of our nation's teachers.

And if it was an absolute certainty that kids, teachers and the rest of us were all in mortal danger, we of course go back into a total shutdown.

But we don't know that. The WuFlu is not the black plague. It is, by all appearances, comparable or perhaps a bit worse than a normal flu season, with some risk of long-term, lingering effects. No one is wishing that on anyone (unless you are among the political nihilists who wanted something - - anything - - to take down the Orange Idiot).

So why then default to the hysterical end of this spectrum? We've tried a shutdown, and it did not contain the disease. Another one won't do any better.

Kids need to be in school. You may have the resources to take care of your own children independently, but many do not. And another lost year of education, interaction and keeping tabs on kids who are potentially vulnerable outside of the school is an absolute must.

Teachers need to do their jobs. There are risks and burdens that come with that. I, for one, could not teach. Not because I am afraid of the flu but instead because I don't have the stamina to deal with children for more than 45 minutes in any single day. But if you choose to go into the teaching field, you'd better be able to do your job. Someone who is afraid to run into a burning building ought not be a firefighter. Someone who is upset by confrontation ought not be a lawyer. Someone who is unwilling to be around children ought not be a teacher.

So if this is not driven by a sick political desire to bring today's America to its knees, what is the basis for your insistence on wreaking this kind of damage on our schoolchildren? What makes teachers more special than the rest of us, that they can decide not to perform their own profession during a crisis? What data has convinced you that this disease is more dangerous than the "cure" you and the teachers' union is insisting that we inflict upon our nation?

My guess is a lot of people are really scared and soak up the fear porn and feel virtuous regurgitating the points. Afterall they are just saving lives. No risks can be taken... abundance of caution. Any collateral damage cannot even be considered because the WuFlu is the greater of any threat. Clearly the political leadership wants to bring this country to its knees so we will vote for them to save it... but I don't believe that is what the rank and file are consciously doing.

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(07-16-2020 09:15 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:28 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:11 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  So because we haven't done it means it can't be done despite the fact that it's been done in other countries? The truth is people aren't willing, there's a lot of misinformation and we have piss poor national leadership.

That would be great news regarding HIT but we'll still need a vaccine to get there. The antibodies people are getting from being infected are depleting within months. We can't get 10-20% of the population infected within months without disastrous results. Natural obtained herd immunity is an irresponsible public policy but also may not be possible. If the 10-20% number is true it will clearly help since 30% say they won't take a vaccine. But there's still plenty of speculation at this point with more unknown than known. All we can really do is slow the spread.

You know why? People are done with it and sick of being lied and dictated to.

It’s just a mask. It’s just six feet. It’s just two weeks. It’s just for non essential businesses. It’s just for non essential employees. It’s just a bar. It’s just a restaurant. It's just a salon. It's just to not overwhelm hospitals. It’s just until the cases go down. It’s just to flatten the curve. It’s just a few inmates. It’s just to keep others from being infected. It's just a few more weeks. It’s just church. It’s just until we get a vaccine. It’s just an app. It’s just for tracing. It’s just to let people know you have no temperature. It’s just so others know who you’ve been in contact with. It’s just a few more months. It’s just a few more inmates. It's just for large gatherings. It's just until the clinical trials are complete. It’s just an account. It's just to prevent hateful speech. It's just to stop hateful content. It's just to prevent false political stories. It’s just a peaceful protest. It's just to punish bad cops. It's just a statue. It's just a monument. It's just some graffiti. It's just them doing what they do. It's just their freedom of speech. It's just their freedom of expression. It's just to show solidarity. It's just a few sqaure blocks. It's just a curfew. It's just an anthem. It's just a flag. It's just a football game. It's just to protect the children. It's just a little fine. It's just to prevent a spike. It's just to achieve distancing. It's just some skewed statistics. It's just so people can safely vote. It's just a debate. It's just a few gaffes. It's just to protect his son. It's just a veiled threat. It's just a radio show. It's just a White House meeting. It just slipped his mind. It's just a change in beliefs. It's just a clump of cells. It's just for choice. It's just a false story. It's just until proof is shown. It's just for 2 years until after he retires. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. It's just a Chrismas song. It's just a textbook. It's just a slave owner. It's just a founding father. It's just an outdated amendment. It's just the electoral college. It's just petroleum products. It's just fracking. It's just innocents seeking asylum. It's just a border. It's just a mean spirited tyrant building a wall. It's just educational opportunities for impoverished minorities. It's just the underprivileged feeling frustrated. It's just shoplifting to feed their family..

Do you see how it's NOT just about a mask or whatever the societal degrating flavor of the week is?

You forgot some...

Its Just the flu
It's Just not a big deal
It's Just a China thing
It just kills old people in nursing homes
Its just an urban thing
If we just shut our borders
If we just close our eyes and say it isn't true it really isn't happening

All things Chump and Dense have said or encourage us to do, all have been wrong, all have not stemmed the spread of the virus. Some how I think the CDC has a bit more understanding of and expertise in infectious diseases than most.
Close your eyes and pout, but when Alabama is requiring masks you know the $h!t has hit the fan.

Beautiful how some people cant talk Politics without getting in a few jabs or name calling.

BigBlueMonarch, may I ask how old you are?

And, mo dic, may I ask what industry you work in? I’m guessing construction.

Who the hell is this? You can refer to me by "MO" so get that right next time if you plan on sitting at the adult table.

I'm a ME in the HVAC Industry that specs and designs HVAC systems.

So what now do you have to say knowing that? Lets see what response your feeble mind can produce.

(07-17-2020 07:15 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(07-17-2020 06:47 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  I'm a ME in the HVAC Industry that specs and designs HVAC systems

We've got a long road ahead of us. Everything from schools systems to commercial buildings to government facilities are contacting our firm to figure out how we can mitigate risks within spaces and obviously tons of discussions regarding Covid-19 and HVAC systems when it comes to new construction and renovations.

We also teamed up with JHU to do fluid dynamic modeling on a variety of space types. Scientifically, it helps JHU researchers see how particulates spread; from a business-standpoint, it gives us design recommendations to sell with real science behind it.

Absolutely. Let me just say that my workload has not eased up one bit. I've been steady busy and with all the research currently underway for Covid, I would imagine a lot of the big Equipment Manufacturers start rolling out new technology in the near future. I've had many a webinar emails come through my inbox for "clean air" recirc. Its going to be a major factor moving forward for sure.

(07-17-2020 06:47 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 09:15 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 12:28 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 11:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You know why? People are done with it and sick of being lied and dictated to.

It’s just a mask. It’s just six feet. It’s just two weeks. It’s just for non essential businesses. It’s just for non essential employees. It’s just a bar. It’s just a restaurant. It's just a salon. It's just to not overwhelm hospitals. It’s just until the cases go down. It’s just to flatten the curve. It’s just a few inmates. It’s just to keep others from being infected. It's just a few more weeks. It’s just church. It’s just until we get a vaccine. It’s just an app. It’s just for tracing. It’s just to let people know you have no temperature. It’s just so others know who you’ve been in contact with. It’s just a few more months. It’s just a few more inmates. It's just for large gatherings. It's just until the clinical trials are complete. It’s just an account. It's just to prevent hateful speech. It's just to stop hateful content. It's just to prevent false political stories. It’s just a peaceful protest. It's just to punish bad cops. It's just a statue. It's just a monument. It's just some graffiti. It's just them doing what they do. It's just their freedom of speech. It's just their freedom of expression. It's just to show solidarity. It's just a few sqaure blocks. It's just a curfew. It's just an anthem. It's just a flag. It's just a football game. It's just to protect the children. It's just a little fine. It's just to prevent a spike. It's just to achieve distancing. It's just some skewed statistics. It's just so people can safely vote. It's just a debate. It's just a few gaffes. It's just to protect his son. It's just a veiled threat. It's just a radio show. It's just a White House meeting. It just slipped his mind. It's just a change in beliefs. It's just a clump of cells. It's just for choice. It's just a false story. It's just until proof is shown. It's just for 2 years until after he retires. It's just a movie. It's just a TV show. It's just a Chrismas song. It's just a textbook. It's just a slave owner. It's just a founding father. It's just an outdated amendment. It's just the electoral college. It's just petroleum products. It's just fracking. It's just innocents seeking asylum. It's just a border. It's just a mean spirited tyrant building a wall. It's just educational opportunities for impoverished minorities. It's just the underprivileged feeling frustrated. It's just shoplifting to feed their family..

Do you see how it's NOT just about a mask or whatever the societal degrating flavor of the week is?

You forgot some...

Its Just the flu
It's Just not a big deal
It's Just a China thing
It just kills old people in nursing homes
Its just an urban thing
If we just shut our borders
If we just close our eyes and say it isn't true it really isn't happening

All things Chump and Dense have said or encourage us to do, all have been wrong, all have not stemmed the spread of the virus. Some how I think the CDC has a bit more understanding of and expertise in infectious diseases than most.
Close your eyes and pout, but when Alabama is requiring masks you know the $h!t has hit the fan.

Beautiful how some people cant talk Politics without getting in a few jabs or name calling.

BigBlueMonarch, may I ask how old you are?

And, mo dic, may I ask what industry you work in? I’m guessing construction.

Who the hell is this? You can refer to me by "MO" so get that right next time if you plan on sitting at the adult table.

I'm a ME in the HVAC Industry that specs and designs HVAC systems.

So what now do you have to say knowing that? Lets see what response your feeble mind can produce.

mo-dic, did you have to sleep on it before you responded? I saw you read the post last night. HVAC - my family member owns an HVAC company, so I’m very familiar with the industry. Who the hell are you? Other than someone who falsely fashions himself as a tough guy b/c he works in the HVAC industry.

(07-17-2020 06:05 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 08:04 PM)Grommet Wrote:  

(07-16-2020 06:04 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I've got a prediction: at the end of the day, Florida, California, Texas, and New York are going to wind up with the most cases. Alaska and Wyoming are going to wind up with the least cases. And there isn't anything any of the governors, Trump, or Biden can do about it. In other words, the virus is here and it is going to run its course.

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Alaskan cases were up 263% over the last 14 days. An outbreak in Fairbanks was tied to a Midnight Solstice baseball game laste last month according to my man on the ground...

I'm sure. God forbid anyone have fun. Virus doesn't spread unless that's what you are doing. You can riot, protest, or shop at Walmart all day, just don't pick up a ball or go to a playground. You can drink at a restaurant, just don't try to eat at a bar. You'll kill everyone there.

My prediction is Alaska will be in the bottom 2-5 states at the end of the day. All states will see a wave at some point if they haven't already.

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You're in luck! All of today's cases were contracted while being ****** with a rusty chainsaw.