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(03-14-2020 10:24 PM)Nacho Wrote:  Seems like we are in it for the long haul. Bars were crowded everywhere w/ people celebrating St. Patricks day. This ain't gonna die down anytime soon.

Can we get a meteor to hit us already? Let’s go drink green beer then go kill grandma.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/13/o...at-we-did/

The hospital in Bergamo was not the only hospital in the area dealing with a lack of capacity and rationing of care. The same day, I heard from a manager in the Lombardy health care system, among the most advanced and well-funded in Europe, that he saw anesthesiologists weeping in the hospital hallways because of the choices they are going to have to make.

So here’s my warning for the United States: It didn’t have to come to this.

We of course couldn’t stop the emergence of a previously unknown and deadly virus. But we could have mitigated the situation we are now in, in which people who could have been saved are dying. I, and too many others, could have taken a simple yet morally loaded action: We could have stayed home.

(03-14-2020 06:24 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  Testing is useless at this point, majority of us will get it eventually. There are 100s of thousands if not millions infected as we speak, herd immunity will be here in a few months.

I couldn’t disagree more with this. A fast accurate test is absolutely necessary, not this 2-3 day turnaround we’ll test you IF you traveled to China, Italy, Korea or France or if you’ve been around someone who has!? If you’re working to triage incoming to emergency rooms you definitely do not want to bring COVID PTS to infect staff and patients. They need isolation immediately. There’s the problem of properly equipping staff if you don’t know who has it. The cost and ability to work within full N95, face shield and suit is prohibitive.

Imagine bringing your dad in with chest pain. Good news is he survived the heart attack. Bad news is he died from the respiratory problems 2 weeks later. Too bad we couldn’t isolate him from the guy checking into emergency hacking up the virus on everyone.

You need to understand how slowing the spread can help the hospitals keep up with the demands. If we let it go unchecked, see Italy TODAY

At some point we will have to ask ourselves as a country what we value most, protecting the most vulnerable lives or protecting the freedoms of the masses. There is no right answer, but the answer for a given person may unfortunately depend on who in their lives will be affected.

And even if this turns out to be less devastating than expected, make no mistake, this question will eventually be asked of us.

(03-14-2020 10:24 PM)Nacho Wrote:  Seems like we are in it for the long haul. Bars were crowded everywhere w/ people celebrating St. Patricks day. This ain't gonna die down anytime soon.

The psychological toll from this will be a case study unto itself.

Unfortunately this isn't ripping off a Bandaid. We're looking at a months-long slow burn of constant media updates featuring scary new graphics, death toll tote boards, and dire predictions. And that says nothing of the online social media cesspools.

This will wear down even the most mentally tough people. It'll make the mood after 9/11 look like child's play.

(03-14-2020 11:46 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  At some point we will have to ask ourselves as a country what we value most, protecting the most vulnerable lives or protecting the freedoms of the masses. There is no right answer, but the answer for a given person may unfortunately depend on who in their lives will be affected.

And even if this turns out to be less devastating than expected, make no mistake, this question will eventually be asked of us.

It's been said the 2008 housing/Wall Street crash helped mold the Millennials' political view toward a "Bernie" type of mindset. Wondering if the corona crises will be that on steroids.

While I don't subscribe to that ideology, I could see how this will further shape young people's minds into that direction, given another historical global crisis where a desired stronger fed gov't response dominates online chatter.

Bernie didn't break on through this year because there were enough Gen X and Boomers opting for Biden. But I believe a Bernie type of candidate will ultimately push through to POTUS within the next 2-3 presidential election cycles.

Of course I could be wrong on all of this...

Do a search on coronavirus and sunlight. Then see what Polifacts' response was and check it against John Nicholl's, a well known Pathologist who did a lot of the research on SARS.

(03-15-2020 08:05 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  Do a search on coronavirus and sunlight. Then see what Polifacts' response was and check it against John Nicholl's, a well known Pathologist who did a lot of the research on SARS.

So he anticipates it to burn out in about 6 months. I hope he’s right. The problem is if we don’t do what we need to prevent the spread we WILL be at a healthcare crisis similar to Italy’s well before then. Go back a page to my post about the worldwide spread.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-895168-post-16...id16737594

I think the significant factor is that this virus is extremely catchy, which complicates resolving things. It sounds like for most folks who get it the symptoms aren't too bad (all things considered), but for the others it sounds like respiratory issues are significant, like pneumonia. Pneumonia for someone old is very serious. Containment is the key here.

I have felt for a couple weeks that the country is going overly crazy over things, and kind of still do, but I do think there is legitimacy to serious concern. I just don't think it is possible to put the world on hold indefinitely.

The politics are very typical. Politicians at the highest level put themselves and their personal agendas above everything else, and seizing on an opportunity like this goes with the territory. I think it is certainly happening with the left right now, and those folks are literally loving seeing the market die, as they know a good economy is good for an incumbent president, and if it dies the Dems stand the gain. So the root for failure, and against America. The reality though is that if the situation were reversed the Republicans would be doing the same. It is sad.

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(03-15-2020 09:18 AM)brovol Wrote:  I think the significant factor is that this virus is extremely catchy, which complicates resolving things. It sounds like for most folks who get it the symptoms aren't too bad (all things considered), but for the others it sounds like respiratory issues are significant, like pneumonia. Pneumonia for someone old is very serious. Containment is the key here.

I have felt for a couple weeks that the country is going overly crazy over things, and kind of still do, but I do think there is legitimacy to serious concern. I just don't think it is possible to put the world on hold indefinitely.

The politics are very typical. Politicians at the highest level put themselves and their personal agendas above everything else, and seizing on an opportunity like this goes with the territory. I think it is certainly happening with the left right now, and those folks are literally loving seeing the market die, as they know a good economy is good for an incumbent president, and if it dies the Dems stand the gain. So the root for failure, and against America. The reality though is that if the situation were reversed the Republicans would be doing the same. It is sad.

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Personally, I followed the science, not the politics but very true. Each party is attempting to use this for their benefit.

Does anyone understand the magnitude of rationing of healthcare in Italy? That means decisions have to be made right now as to who gets treated and who they will allow to die! This can be a very real possibility here.

(03-15-2020 12:58 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Does anyone understand the magnitude of rationing of healthcare in Italy? That means decisions have to be made right now as to who gets treated and who they will allow to die! This can be a very real possibility here.

. . . but President Trump said the coronavirus was a hoax.

(03-15-2020 01:49 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 12:58 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Does anyone understand the magnitude of rationing of healthcare in Italy? That means decisions have to be made right now as to who gets treated and who they will allow to die! This can be a very real possibility here.

. . . but President Trump said the coronavirus as a hoax.

Real leaders lead by example and follow instructions of their advisors. Carrying on and shaking dick beaters like you’re impervious doesn’t instill faith in his competence. Also what happened to when it was rare for the president and Vice President to be present at the same time. There’s a reason for that protocol. Now it seems they’re always together.

(03-15-2020 01:49 PM)bostonbronco Wrote:  

(03-15-2020 12:58 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  Does anyone understand the magnitude of rationing of healthcare in Italy? That means decisions have to be made right now as to who gets treated and who they will allow to die! This can be a very real possibility here.

. . . but President Trump said the coronavirus as a hoax.

https://checkyourfact.com/2020/02/29/fac...ina-rally/

After calling for unity, bipartisan approach to dealing with pandemic, and asking the news media to help disseminate important information yesterday, overnight Trump tweets blasting Democrats and press (and threatening to pardon Michael Flynn).

I wonder if we've crossed a precipice where presidents will never have an approval rating above the 40-50% range again, no matter their performance.

It's not only the result of R vs. D, but even within parties. 'Bernie Bros' despise Hillary, Biden, and other establishment moderates. Most of Trump's base now despises Romney, McCain (RIP), Kasich, and other establishment moderates, where they welcomed them with open arms just 5-10 years ago.

Hard to imagine a president ever scoring into the 70s-and-up and enjoying majority bipartisan support again.

(03-15-2020 03:12 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  It's not only the result of R vs. D, but even within parties.

IMHO (off topic BUT.....)

It's "populists" vs "establishment" in both parties.

Trump (somehow) was able to overcome that.

Bernie (or any other populist)...not yet with the Dems.

And he's once again being marginalized by the establishment.

CDC recommends no gatherings of 50+ for next eight weeks. Also, WOTS is that Michigan will join OH and IL tomorrow in closing all restaurants except for carry-out.

This has to be the most disruptive American life has been since post-Pearl Harbor. Just surreal.

(03-15-2020 09:52 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  CDC recommends no gatherings of 50+ for next eight weeks. Also, WOTS is that Michigan will join OH and IL tomorrow in closing all restaurants except for carry-out.

This has to be the most disruptive American life has been since post-Pearl Harbor. Just surreal.

I fear that we’ll see a jump in the cases following large numbers of people going out for St. patty’s day. I’ve seen plenty of the good ole American ‘I’m gonna do whatever I wanna do’ on social media. We really are a bunch of selfish, ignant A-holes when it comes to times like these.

Unfortunately It’ll be the asymptomatic healthier crowd that will quickly unknowingly propagate this virus. I don’t have much faith in our society to flatten the curve. It’ll take martial law to stop people from behavior that will put the population and healthcare system at risk.

It’s astounding with how connected and how easy it is to access info from around the world, how unaware we are as a society. We’ve had the LUXURY of knowing what’s coming down the pipe and we’re still dropping the ball.

This cluster-F at O’Hare yesterday shows how unprepared our system was. There really wasn’t a plan for any contagion, despite decades of warnings. If those travelers weren’t sick before they probably were exposed standing in there for 6+hrs.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/3/14/2...-long-wait