(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

At some point though he's got to do more. Get T'd up occasionally. Sometimes getting a technical can be a positive.

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Maybe he would get more calls if he pulled a Hurley. Maybe not. I've never noticed Hurley getting a lot of benefit.
But the fact is, we have been screwed by refs this year. I think it's more about freshmen in the eyes of refs, than it is Penny's demeanor - but who knows.
Right or wrong, Penny uses his demeanor intentionally to present a calm presence for the players.

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

Well, the comment was that he "never" says anything. And I just proved he did. You're moving the goalposts on me, but whatever.

Sometimes animation looks like it works - and I agree about the Hurley example. Other times it doesn't. (See Brannen's tech when Cincy played here.)

From Borzello's ESPN+ piece today:
"He's ridden with them. We've all seen ballyhooed freshmen dip and never return back," another coach echoed the sentiment of Hardaway. "He's got such a really endearing demeanor on the sideline. If you're a Memphis fan, he's got a young team that's a little erratic, that's got a lot of promise, but his team doesn't always play with awesome poise. But he's got a great demeanor. A calmness about him on the sideline with them. If you're a true Memphis fan, you can see tangible progress. Guys are improving in front of your eyes. Guys are really, really taking big steps forward in their games."

I'm guessing Penny feels his demeanor can have a bigger impact on his guys than on the refs. You may disagree, but at least one other conference coach agrees.

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

I critique his.coaching but I know for a fact that Penny aint scared to jump on a ref (from a couple of high school refs) He is just low key about it and doesnt bounce around, so the camera probably doesnt zoom in on it. But he will say some pretty ugly things according to them.

(02-27-2020 11:12 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Maybe he would get more calls if he pulled a Hurley. Maybe not. I've never noticed Hurley getting a lot of benefit.
But the fact is, we have been screwed by refs this year. I think it's more about freshmen in the eyes of refs, than it is Penny's demeanor - but who knows.
Right or wrong, Penny uses his demeanor intentionally to present a calm presence for the players.

I agree with this. Another point with freshmen is that they just aren't as sly about some of the moves as upperclassmen are. The refs who are looking for an easy call are going to have a field day with us because of that alone.

I said this in another thread after the SMU game, but Penny would not be able to pull a Hurley - he is (sadly) held to a different standard than other coaches.

If he lost his cool, he would get T'ed up quicker than most, and the talk would be that all the pressure is getting to him, a former NBA player should be able to see the big picture, etc.

I also agree that Penny is intentionally trying to set an example for his players. From what I can remember this season, none of our kids have been guilty of losing their temper on the court, no matter how frustrating some calls/situations have been. THAT'S coaching, too.

(02-25-2020 11:06 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 10:26 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  But I'm just not understanding this BS of insisting to play No. 1 and No. 2 at the same time. He's digging his own grave with this nonsense.

Midget guards do not work at D1 level.

Virginia's starting pg Kahei Clark is the same size as Tyler. Led them to a Nat'l Title last yr as a Freshman.

Lomax got lit up in the Houston game. His man scored on him just about every time. I just can't see two <6 foot tall guards on the floor at the same time and being successful.

(02-27-2020 01:06 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:12 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Maybe he would get more calls if he pulled a Hurley. Maybe not. I've never noticed Hurley getting a lot of benefit.
But the fact is, we have been screwed by refs this year. I think it's more about freshmen in the eyes of refs, than it is Penny's demeanor - but who knows.
Right or wrong, Penny uses his demeanor intentionally to present a calm presence for the players.

I agree with this. Another point with freshmen is that they just aren't as sly about some of the moves as upperclassmen are. The refs who are looking for an easy call are going to have a field day with us because of that alone.

I said this in another thread after the SMU game, but Penny would not be able to pull a Hurley - he is (sadly) held to a different standard than other coaches.

If he lost his cool, he would get T'ed up quicker than most, and the talk would be that all the pressure is getting to him, a former NBA player should be able to see the big picture, etc.

I also agree that Penny is intentionally trying to set an example for his players. From what I can remember this season, none of our kids have been guilty of losing their temper on the court, no matter how frustrating some calls/situations have been. THAT'S coaching, too.

Very well stated and imo completely correct!

(02-27-2020 12:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

I critique his.coaching but I know for a fact that Penny aint scared to jump on a ref (from a couple of high school refs) He is just low key about it and doesnt bounce around, so the camera probably doesnt zoom in on it. But he will say some pretty ugly things according to them.

I go to the games and I see him on the refs frequently.

(02-27-2020 01:43 PM)Tigerdawg Wrote:  Lomax got lit up in the Houston game. His man scored on him just about every time. I just can't see two <6 foot tall guards on the floor at the same time and being successful.

That's not true

(02-27-2020 07:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:43 PM)Tigerdawg Wrote:  Lomax got lit up in the Houston game. His man scored on him just about every time. I just can't see two <6 foot tall guards on the floor at the same time and being successful.

That's not true

Texas and Rick Barnes got away with it a few years ago, but not sophomores

I go to all the games at home. And I do watch Penny, quite a bit actually. He does not say much, if anything, to the officials during games. I don't know if I've ever seen him do that.
To me, it's extremely surprising. But that's just me.

(02-27-2020 05:33 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

I critique his.coaching but I know for a fact that Penny aint scared to jump on a ref (from a couple of high school refs) He is just low key about it and doesnt bounce around, so the camera probably doesnt zoom in on it. But he will say some pretty ugly things according to them.

I go to the games and I see him on the refs frequently.

Never seen him do it and I pay close attention to Penny and his interactions with the officials, players, coaches, etc. I go to all the home games and sit in the 5th row.

It's a topic a lot of guys in my section talk about all the time.

(02-27-2020 09:26 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 05:33 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

I critique his.coaching but I know for a fact that Penny aint scared to jump on a ref (from a couple of high school refs) He is just low key about it and doesnt bounce around, so the camera probably doesnt zoom in on it. But he will say some pretty ugly things according to them.

I go to the games and I see him on the refs frequently.

Never seen him do it and I pay close attention to Penny and his interactions with the officials, players, coaches, etc. I go to all the home games and sit in the 5th row.

It's a topic a lot of guys in my section talk about all the time.

Can’t believe you’ve never see him talking with the refs. Like I said before, I’ve seen it several times. He’s not jumping up and down and throwing a fit. Not his style. But he does talk with them.

Great seats by the way.

(02-27-2020 07:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:43 PM)Tigerdawg Wrote:  Lomax got lit up in the Houston game. His man scored on him just about every time. I just can't see two <6 foot tall guards on the floor at the same time and being successful.

That's not true

5 made 3pters over Alo in the UH game. I'd call that being lit up.

(02-28-2020 08:38 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:21 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 01:43 PM)Tigerdawg Wrote:  Lomax got lit up in the Houston game. His man scored on him just about every time. I just can't see two <6 foot tall guards on the floor at the same time and being successful.

That's not true

5 made 3pters over Alo in the UH game. I'd call that being lit up.

Someone making a shot over you when you are recovering from help defense or coming off of a screen is not getting lit up.

Boogie was taken off the bounce 1-on-1 far more than Alo was that game. But Houston has some very good 1-on-1 players.

(02-27-2020 09:26 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 05:33 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 11:10 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Sorry but he does. He's just not demonstrative about it and it's hardly ever on camera. If you attend games, watch him as refs run by and especially during play stoppage. Here is from the end of the SMU game:

Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

I critique his.coaching but I know for a fact that Penny aint scared to jump on a ref (from a couple of high school refs) He is just low key about it and doesnt bounce around, so the camera probably doesnt zoom in on it. But he will say some pretty ugly things according to them.

I go to the games and I see him on the refs frequently.

Never seen him do it and I pay close attention to Penny and his interactions with the officials, players, coaches, etc. I go to all the home games and sit in the 5th row.

It's a topic a lot of guys in my section talk about all the time.

I would love to sit in your section and see how you miss it. I've only been to a handful of games, but even on tv you can see him talking to refs. He doesn't stomp his feet or yell at them but it is obvious he is talking to them throughout the game. I don't understand how y'all miss it?

(02-28-2020 10:55 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 09:26 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 05:33 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:42 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 12:14 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  Who cares at the end of the game? The game is over at that point, there is no benefit to it at all...

You see it all the time where a coach thinks they are not getting calls and start riding the officials and all of a sudden the officiating tide starts turning in their favor. Hurley's tech completely changed the game for UCONN and in a positive manner.

I critique his.coaching but I know for a fact that Penny aint scared to jump on a ref (from a couple of high school refs) He is just low key about it and doesnt bounce around, so the camera probably doesnt zoom in on it. But he will say some pretty ugly things according to them.

I go to the games and I see him on the refs frequently.

Never seen him do it and I pay close attention to Penny and his interactions with the officials, players, coaches, etc. I go to all the home games and sit in the 5th row.

It's a topic a lot of guys in my section talk about all the time.

I would love to sit in your section and see how you miss it. I've only been to a handful of games, but even on tv you can see him talking to refs. He doesn't stomp his feet or yell at them but it is obvious he is talking to them throughout the game. I don't understand how y'all miss it?

Probably a difference in perception here. "Talking" to refs is far different than getting on them throughout the game. Again, I do not want or need Hurley or Bobby Knight antics but there is a lot of room between their sideline demeanor and simply "talking" to the refs.