No matter what anyone says our defense was good enough to win the game last night. Held them to 58 points.

(02-26-2020 01:30 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  No matter what anyone says our defense was good enough to win the game last night. Held them to 58 points.

The defense has been good all season to win games. The offense has been lacking and that's putting it nicely.

(02-26-2020 02:32 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 01:30 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  No matter what anyone says our defense was good enough to win the game last night. Held them to 58 points.

The defense has been good all season to win games. The offense has been lacking and that's putting it nicely.

As has been pointed out already in seemingly dozens of threads thus far this year, our guard play is the Achilles heal of this team.

(02-26-2020 02:51 PM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 02:32 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 01:30 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  No matter what anyone says our defense was good enough to win the game last night. Held them to 58 points.

The defense has been good all season to win games. The offense has been lacking and that's putting it nicely.

As has been pointed out already in seemingly dozens of threads thus far this year, our guard play is the Achilles heal of this team.

Our guard play would be good enough to have us in the Top 5 with JW. He would free up shooting (even though we miss open shots now), but more importantly REBOUNDS. As decent as every stat on offense is, it would be amplified with Wiseman in the paint. Not to mention players are playing out of positions and in roles that they weren't supposed to be playing.

If our guard play is the Achilles heal, JW quitting cut off the head.

(02-26-2020 01:30 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  No matter what anyone says our defense was good enough to win the game last night. Held them to 58 points.

You're correct.

Held SMU to 33.9% FGs & 9.5% from 3-point land

(02-26-2020 02:57 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  If our guard play is the Achilles heal, JW quitting cut off the head.

I agree...the departure of JW just really exposed our issues at the guard spots.

(02-26-2020 12:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:01 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 10:26 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  But I'm just not understanding this BS of insisting to play No. 1 and No. 2 at the same time. He's digging his own grave with this nonsense.

Alo is fine...

He can hold his own.

Tyler is killing us out there...Even when he is making shots.

OMG stop. Tyler is beneficial when he is making shots. He is a killer when he is not. Like last night. Not sure why Penny stuck with him.

Again we are abysmal on the offensive end. You can not sit a guy like Tyler when he is on, you just can't. The defense can be figured out.

Penny for whatever reason this year has been reluctant to switch up defenses, which could be useful in hiding Tyler and Alo on the defensive end. To keep them from getting abused in the post from a bigger player. The constant use of man defense when either or both are in the game is just infuriating. It was especially infuriating last night because we knew exactly what SMU would do. I mean we all literally saw it in the first meeting and SMU did the same thing last night. They just posted up Tyler time and again.

So why not play some zone to keep that from happening. My angst 100% lies with Penny. I don't dislike Lomax and I'm not all in love with Tyler. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. When neither are doing what they do best then you can't play them.

Penny though has to stop with the constant shuffling of players. Stick with a solid 8 rotation unless foul trouble causes him to go deeper. This constant shuffling this late in the season is ridiculous. Imagine being these players not knowing how many minutes they are going to get each game because honestly Penny doesn't even know. About the only 2 players that know are Precious and Lester.

Anyways last night defense wasn't the issue. It was, like it has been most of the year, the other end of the floor.

Ok just the facts...Lineups with Tyler in them have the worse offense rating on the team. We don't even have to talk about defense.

The below is from the last 9 games.


Harris lineups are -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris lineups without Alo are -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

Just for reference...Precious Lineups with Harris are -22 (Precious No Harris is +42). That is a 60+ point swing...Harris is killing us out there.

Against Houston where Harris was 4-8 and 2-5 from 3 our offensive rating was .7586 in the 17 minutes he was on the floor (.9797 defense)

Against Houston Lineups without Harris had an offensive rating of 1.0556(.8287 defense)...That is .25 more points a possession on offense .4 more points per possession both offense and defense.

Now please refute what I just posted...It is clear even on offense he not a net positive.

I know what the numbers say. What i'm trying to tell you is that if Tyler is on you can't sit him on the bench when as a whole this offense struggles to score. This team flat out can't score consistently enough in the half court. So no you can't sit a guy like Harris when he is on when as a team you struggle so badly to score points in the half court.

The biggest issue for Harris, other than his height, is Penny continues to try to have him initiate offense or try to create off the dribble. That's not who Harris is. Harris is a catch and shoot guy.

Again my angst is 100% towards Penny in the way he uses some of these players. Last night was a great example. Having Lester or Harris initiate the offense and just put Boogie over in the corner. I mean why do that? The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. That's Penny right now.

I'm not a fan of Lomax or Harris playing more than 20 mins, but at this point it's hard with the DJ injury. Lomax and Harris should average no more than 16 or 17 mins a game. They are both role players and nothing more.

There is legit no reason for Tyler and Alo to be averaging about the same mins as Boogie and Baugh. At the end of the day I'm a play your best players person. The best players are the freshman. Those 4 guys (lester, baugh, boogie, precious) right now should get the most mins every game. Split whatever is left between Alo, Tyler, Malcolm, and Lance.

(02-26-2020 03:25 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 12:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:01 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 10:26 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  But I'm just not understanding this BS of insisting to play No. 1 and No. 2 at the same time. He's digging his own grave with this nonsense.

Alo is fine...

He can hold his own.

Tyler is killing us out there...Even when he is making shots.

OMG stop. Tyler is beneficial when he is making shots. He is a killer when he is not. Like last night. Not sure why Penny stuck with him.

Again we are abysmal on the offensive end. You can not sit a guy like Tyler when he is on, you just can't. The defense can be figured out.

Penny for whatever reason this year has been reluctant to switch up defenses, which could be useful in hiding Tyler and Alo on the defensive end. To keep them from getting abused in the post from a bigger player. The constant use of man defense when either or both are in the game is just infuriating. It was especially infuriating last night because we knew exactly what SMU would do. I mean we all literally saw it in the first meeting and SMU did the same thing last night. They just posted up Tyler time and again.

So why not play some zone to keep that from happening. My angst 100% lies with Penny. I don't dislike Lomax and I'm not all in love with Tyler. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. When neither are doing what they do best then you can't play them.

Penny though has to stop with the constant shuffling of players. Stick with a solid 8 rotation unless foul trouble causes him to go deeper. This constant shuffling this late in the season is ridiculous. Imagine being these players not knowing how many minutes they are going to get each game because honestly Penny doesn't even know. About the only 2 players that know are Precious and Lester.

Anyways last night defense wasn't the issue. It was, like it has been most of the year, the other end of the floor.

Ok just the facts...Lineups with Tyler in them have the worse offense rating on the team. We don't even have to talk about defense.

The below is from the last 9 games.


Harris lineups are -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris lineups without Alo are -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

Just for reference...Precious Lineups with Harris are -22 (Precious No Harris is +42). That is a 60+ point swing...Harris is killing us out there.

Against Houston where Harris was 4-8 and 2-5 from 3 our offensive rating was .7586 in the 17 minutes he was on the floor (.9797 defense)

Against Houston Lineups without Harris had an offensive rating of 1.0556(.8287 defense)...That is .25 more points a possession on offense .4 more points per possession both offense and defense.

Now please refute what I just posted...It is clear even on offense he not a net positive.

I know what the numbers say. What i'm trying to tell you is that if Tyler is on you can't sit him on the bench when as a whole this offense struggles to score. This team flat out can't score consistently enough in the half court. So no you can't sit a guy like Harris when he is on when as a team you struggle so badly to score points in the half court.

The biggest issue for Harris, other than his height, is Penny continues to try to have him initiate offense or try to create off the dribble. That's not who Harris is. Harris is a catch and shoot guy.

Again my angst is 100% towards Penny in the way he uses some of these players. Last night was a great example. Having Lester or Harris initiate the offense and just put Boogie over in the corner. I mean why do that? The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. That's Penny right now.

I'm not a fan of Lomax or Harris playing more than 20 mins, but at this point it's hard with the DJ injury. Lomax and Harris should average no more than 16 or 17 mins a game. They are both role players and nothing more.

There is legit no reason for Tyler and Alo to be averaging about the same mins as Boogie and Baugh. At the end of the day I'm a play your best players person. The best players are the freshman. Those 4 guys (lester, baugh, boogie, precious) right now should get the most mins every game. Split whatever is left between Alo, Tyler, Malcolm, and Lance.

Tyler was on against Houston and when he was on the floor we were the least efficient offensively. Tyler has to do more than just make shots on offense...He doesn't.

The dislike of ALO and Harris has a lot to do with them being Memphis kids, and that is a shame

Yes, you can make an analysis that their height can hurt. But the dismissive midget moniker has a weird meanness to it. Just that little extra bash to grind a knife in

Those two kids love Memphis basketball and grew up with it. Neither are spectacular level college players but both are good, certainly undersized, but play their asses off. ALO specifically had one of best games of any of our kids against Houston. Harris has had some great outings that were lost because the team lost. And yes, his size defensively on occasion gave back some of his points...we all get that. But man oh man people

Without them we would not be 19-9, might be 16-12

(02-26-2020 03:28 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 03:25 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 12:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:01 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-25-2020 11:27 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  Alo is fine...

He can hold his own.

Tyler is killing us out there...Even when he is making shots.

OMG stop. Tyler is beneficial when he is making shots. He is a killer when he is not. Like last night. Not sure why Penny stuck with him.

Again we are abysmal on the offensive end. You can not sit a guy like Tyler when he is on, you just can't. The defense can be figured out.

Penny for whatever reason this year has been reluctant to switch up defenses, which could be useful in hiding Tyler and Alo on the defensive end. To keep them from getting abused in the post from a bigger player. The constant use of man defense when either or both are in the game is just infuriating. It was especially infuriating last night because we knew exactly what SMU would do. I mean we all literally saw it in the first meeting and SMU did the same thing last night. They just posted up Tyler time and again.

So why not play some zone to keep that from happening. My angst 100% lies with Penny. I don't dislike Lomax and I'm not all in love with Tyler. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. When neither are doing what they do best then you can't play them.

Penny though has to stop with the constant shuffling of players. Stick with a solid 8 rotation unless foul trouble causes him to go deeper. This constant shuffling this late in the season is ridiculous. Imagine being these players not knowing how many minutes they are going to get each game because honestly Penny doesn't even know. About the only 2 players that know are Precious and Lester.

Anyways last night defense wasn't the issue. It was, like it has been most of the year, the other end of the floor.

Ok just the facts...Lineups with Tyler in them have the worse offense rating on the team. We don't even have to talk about defense.

The below is from the last 9 games.


Harris lineups are -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris lineups without Alo are -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

Just for reference...Precious Lineups with Harris are -22 (Precious No Harris is +42). That is a 60+ point swing...Harris is killing us out there.

Against Houston where Harris was 4-8 and 2-5 from 3 our offensive rating was .7586 in the 17 minutes he was on the floor (.9797 defense)

Against Houston Lineups without Harris had an offensive rating of 1.0556(.8287 defense)...That is .25 more points a possession on offense .4 more points per possession both offense and defense.

Now please refute what I just posted...It is clear even on offense he not a net positive.

I know what the numbers say. What i'm trying to tell you is that if Tyler is on you can't sit him on the bench when as a whole this offense struggles to score. This team flat out can't score consistently enough in the half court. So no you can't sit a guy like Harris when he is on when as a team you struggle so badly to score points in the half court.

The biggest issue for Harris, other than his height, is Penny continues to try to have him initiate offense or try to create off the dribble. That's not who Harris is. Harris is a catch and shoot guy.

Again my angst is 100% towards Penny in the way he uses some of these players. Last night was a great example. Having Lester or Harris initiate the offense and just put Boogie over in the corner. I mean why do that? The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. That's Penny right now.

I'm not a fan of Lomax or Harris playing more than 20 mins, but at this point it's hard with the DJ injury. Lomax and Harris should average no more than 16 or 17 mins a game. They are both role players and nothing more.

There is legit no reason for Tyler and Alo to be averaging about the same mins as Boogie and Baugh. At the end of the day I'm a play your best players person. The best players are the freshman. Those 4 guys (lester, baugh, boogie, precious) right now should get the most mins every game. Split whatever is left between Alo, Tyler, Malcolm, and Lance.

Tyler was on against Houston and when he was on the floor we were the least efficient offensively. Tyler has to do more than just make shots on offense...He doesn't.

We aren't efficient as a whole on offense. We are 203 in adjusted offense according to kenpom. That isn't a Tyler Harris playing too much issue.

This team again struggles to score in the half court you absolutely can not keep a guy on the bench that can provide scoring to an offense that just flat out struggles to score in the half court.

Tyler has won this team a good deal of games or kept them in games because of his shooting.

(02-26-2020 03:50 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 03:28 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 03:25 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 12:19 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 10:01 AM)tigers0830 Wrote:  OMG stop. Tyler is beneficial when he is making shots. He is a killer when he is not. Like last night. Not sure why Penny stuck with him.

Again we are abysmal on the offensive end. You can not sit a guy like Tyler when he is on, you just can't. The defense can be figured out.

Penny for whatever reason this year has been reluctant to switch up defenses, which could be useful in hiding Tyler and Alo on the defensive end. To keep them from getting abused in the post from a bigger player. The constant use of man defense when either or both are in the game is just infuriating. It was especially infuriating last night because we knew exactly what SMU would do. I mean we all literally saw it in the first meeting and SMU did the same thing last night. They just posted up Tyler time and again.

So why not play some zone to keep that from happening. My angst 100% lies with Penny. I don't dislike Lomax and I'm not all in love with Tyler. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. When neither are doing what they do best then you can't play them.

Penny though has to stop with the constant shuffling of players. Stick with a solid 8 rotation unless foul trouble causes him to go deeper. This constant shuffling this late in the season is ridiculous. Imagine being these players not knowing how many minutes they are going to get each game because honestly Penny doesn't even know. About the only 2 players that know are Precious and Lester.

Anyways last night defense wasn't the issue. It was, like it has been most of the year, the other end of the floor.

Ok just the facts...Lineups with Tyler in them have the worse offense rating on the team. We don't even have to talk about defense.

The below is from the last 9 games.


Harris lineups are -28 with .8775 offensive efficiency (Worse on the team)

Harris lineups without Alo are -6

Lineups with Harris and Alo together is -34

Best on the team is Baugh with a +41...But Baugh has the advantage of most of his minutes coming with the starting lineup (Starting Lineup +18)

Just for reference...Precious Lineups with Harris are -22 (Precious No Harris is +42). That is a 60+ point swing...Harris is killing us out there.

Against Houston where Harris was 4-8 and 2-5 from 3 our offensive rating was .7586 in the 17 minutes he was on the floor (.9797 defense)

Against Houston Lineups without Harris had an offensive rating of 1.0556(.8287 defense)...That is .25 more points a possession on offense .4 more points per possession both offense and defense.

Now please refute what I just posted...It is clear even on offense he not a net positive.

I know what the numbers say. What i'm trying to tell you is that if Tyler is on you can't sit him on the bench when as a whole this offense struggles to score. This team flat out can't score consistently enough in the half court. So no you can't sit a guy like Harris when he is on when as a team you struggle so badly to score points in the half court.

The biggest issue for Harris, other than his height, is Penny continues to try to have him initiate offense or try to create off the dribble. That's not who Harris is. Harris is a catch and shoot guy.

Again my angst is 100% towards Penny in the way he uses some of these players. Last night was a great example. Having Lester or Harris initiate the offense and just put Boogie over in the corner. I mean why do that? The definition of insanity is doing the same things and expecting different results. That's Penny right now.

I'm not a fan of Lomax or Harris playing more than 20 mins, but at this point it's hard with the DJ injury. Lomax and Harris should average no more than 16 or 17 mins a game. They are both role players and nothing more.

There is legit no reason for Tyler and Alo to be averaging about the same mins as Boogie and Baugh. At the end of the day I'm a play your best players person. The best players are the freshman. Those 4 guys (lester, baugh, boogie, precious) right now should get the most mins every game. Split whatever is left between Alo, Tyler, Malcolm, and Lance.

Tyler was on against Houston and when he was on the floor we were the least efficient offensively. Tyler has to do more than just make shots on offense...He doesn't.

We aren't efficient as a whole on offense. We are 203 in adjusted offense according to kenpom. That isn't a Tyler Harris playing too much issue.

This team again struggles to score in the half court you absolutely can not keep a guy on the bench that can provide scoring to an offense that just flat out struggles to score in the half court.

Tyler has won this team a good deal of games or kept them in games because of his shooting.

I posted the offensive efficiency for Tyler Lineups.

We score .1750 more points every time down the floor without Tyler than we do with him in the last 9 games

You are right we are not a great offensive team...But with 60 possessions a game and we maintain that .1750 points per possession without Tyler that is 10.5 points....But hey that is just me and that is completely ignoring the defensive benefits of not playing Tyler.

These are facts...No touchy feely involved here. Just the facts sir.

I get wanting to like Tyler. He adds a potential spark offensively that pretty nobody else can. However, the fact is that he rarely gets hot and stays hot. He is extremely streaky throughout games. He has games where he is cold the entire game but rarely, if ever, has games where he is hot the entire game. But even when he does get hot, he will inevitably cost us two or three possessions with "heat check" shots that are just terrible 30 foot off balanced three pointers.

(02-26-2020 03:43 PM)Mimi Wrote:  The dislike of ALO and Harris has a lot to do with them being Memphis kids, and that is a shame

Yes, you can make an analysis that their height can hurt. But the dismissive midget moniker has a weird meanness to it. Just that little extra bash to grind a knife in

Those two kids love Memphis basketball and grew up with it. Neither are spectacular level college players but both are good, certainly undersized, but play their asses off. ALO specifically had one of best games of any of our kids against Houston. Harris has had some great outings that were lost because the team lost. And yes, his size defensively on occasion gave back some of his points...we all get that. But man oh man people

Without them we would not be 19-9, might be 16-12

It would totally depend on who you replaced them with, wouldn't it?

This post is a part of the mentality that kept cal from recruiting Memphis as hard as he could have. The fans that won't to prop them up simply because they are from Memphis borderlines ridiculous at times.

Compared to any other team, Tyler is short. It is a handicap when teams run pick and rolls or any time we have to switch. SMU coach admitted it when they beat us here, that is what they focused on with their offense. He also doesn't add nearly as much as people, apparently yourself included, like to believe. Perception or hometown loyalty is not reality.

With that said, ALo is short, but I don't believe the same things apply to him. Actually he is more productive as a whole with him in the lineup. The same just can't be said about Tyler. Now, I am willing to admit it could possibly be coaching, but I think it is just a lack of fit with what system the coaches want to run at Memphis.

We are 289th out of 351 teams in assists to turnover ratio with a 0.85-1 ratio. With Lomax being out best at 1.7-1

(02-26-2020 08:51 PM)MvETigers Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 03:43 PM)Mimi Wrote:  The dislike of ALO and Harris has a lot to do with them being Memphis kids, and that is a shame

Yes, you can make an analysis that their height can hurt. But the dismissive midget moniker has a weird meanness to it. Just that little extra bash to grind a knife in

Those two kids love Memphis basketball and grew up with it. Neither are spectacular level college players but both are good, certainly undersized, but play their asses off. ALO specifically had one of best games of any of our kids against Houston. Harris has had some great outings that were lost because the team lost. And yes, his size defensively on occasion gave back some of his points...we all get that. But man oh man people

Without them we would not be 19-9, might be 16-12

It would totally depend on who you replaced them with, wouldn't it?

This post is a part of the mentality that kept cal from recruiting Memphis as hard as he could have. The fans that won't to prop them up simply because they are from Memphis borderlines ridiculous at times.

Compared to any other team, Tyler is short. It is a handicap when teams run pick and rolls or any time we have to switch. SMU coach admitted it when they beat us here, that is what they focused on with their offense. He also doesn't add nearly as much as people, apparently yourself included, like to believe. Perception or hometown loyalty is not reality.

With that said, ALo is short, but I don't believe the same things apply to him. Actually he is more productive as a whole with him in the lineup. The same just can't be said about Tyler. Now, I am willing to admit it could possibly be coaching, but I think it is just a lack of fit with what system the coaches want to run at Memphis.

If Harris is not on, hitting 30 foot 3 point shots then he is a liability any time he is on the floor.

I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

I know, yet some folks seem to think he does. I just don't see it and Im watching too.

(02-27-2020 10:34 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 10:13 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 07:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  I don’t understand why Penny doesn’t say ANYTHING to the refs, ever. I get being cool but working the officials is part of the job.

He absolutely does. He's not as animated as some of us would like, but he absolutely gets on the refs. At the end of the SMU game, when he called that timeout with the game over but 0:01 still on the clock, according to Giannotto he spent the timeout getting on one of the refs.

If you watch him at games, you will see it.

I watch him all the time at games for that reason. He NEVER gets on the officials. Never.

I see it too. I sit a few rows behind him, so maybe It's easier for me. But he does. Hard for me to believe that someone doesn't see it.

Penny isn't the type of guy....not that I know him.....appears to not be the type of guy to embarrass you in front of others. He gets his point across, but his MO is not to embarrass you. I don't know that a coach needs to embarrass players or refs in order to get their attention. Cal did. Works for him. Coack K doesn't. Bill Self doesn't. Roy W doesn't.

Losing doesn't mean Penny has to change. Penny is losing due to circumstances he cannot and couldn't control. JW left. People got hurt: Lester, DJ, Precious (though he battled through).

These guys are growing as players and continue to play hard. I just hope we're fixing the roster for next year. I'm ready to hear commitments announced!!