Hope this change NEVER happens. It will be disastrous for the AAC schools & any other schools not named AL, OSU, LSU, UGA etc - about 10 schools will benefit in a planned orderly way. Others might benefit in terms of short term talent gain but won't have the luxury of incorporating that talent of several seasons. At Memphis I could see Paxton Lynch, Darrel Henderson, and several others gone after one good year.

(02-25-2020 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hope this change NEVER happens. It will be disastrous for the AAC schools & any other schools not named AL, OSU, LSU, UGA etc - about 10 schools will benefit in a planned orderly way. Others might benefit in terms of short term talent gain but won't have the luxury of incorporating that talent of several seasons. At Memphis I could see Paxton Lynch, Darrel Henderson, and several others gone after one good year.

Our conference will vote for it.

(02-25-2020 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Hope this change NEVER happens. It will be disastrous for the AAC schools & any other schools not named AL, OSU, LSU, UGA etc - about 10 schools will benefit in a planned orderly way. Others might benefit in terms of short term talent gain but won't have the luxury of incorporating that talent of several seasons. At Memphis I could see Paxton Lynch, Darrel Henderson, and several others gone after one good year.

Yeah, they will cherry pick the best players off the AAC and the AAC will get athletes that don't pan out for a variety of reasons. Some will be good, some bad.

I wonder if some of the schools will pressure recruits to leave more now since they will need their spots if they don't develop fast enough now that they have a minor league feeder system in place. The bottom half of all the conferences should be worried. Purdue and Washington States of the world have a tough enough time winning now, wait until they steal a Drew Brees, Jay Cutler or Phillip Rivers off of their team.

(02-18-2020 05:40 PM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  Wait until your top players get poached by P6 teams because they don't have to sit out a year.

This... completely agree.

(02-25-2020 01:20 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 07:19 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(02-24-2020 12:30 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 08:44 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(02-19-2020 12:54 PM)Billy Bob Bearcat Wrote:  UC insiders seem very pro this new rule.

I think it would clearly benefit Houston, SMU, and UC as their local markets produce a ton of D1 talent.

Lol right ucf and USF are stuck in a state with no D1 talent...

UCF and USF are not in the metros where most FL talent exists correct? Isn't Miami-Dade where everyone recruits?

Regardless your over-reaction to my comment is noted.

Lol overreaction? I just thought it was funny that you left out the state with the most D1 recruits year after year.

Btw, Manatee and Hillsborough Counties(both Tampa Bay area counties) are the 7th and 8th Espn Top Counties at producing Top 100 prospects. I am sure the total number of D1 prospects correlates to that too, especially if you include other Tampa Bay/surrounding counties like Polk, Pasco, Hernando, and Pinellas.

Hillsborough county alone almost had as many top 100 recruits as all of Ohio...

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_...tlegrounds

So what your saying is their is a ton of D1 talent in USF's back yard and they still can't currently recruit?


To be fair, it isn't just about the individual school and their immediate surroundings. It is about the competition as well.


Ohio has a clear pecking order with minimal top end options:

OSU (Who recruits exclusively the high end)

UC

Ohio University
Toledo
Kent State
Akron
Miami (OH)


Florida in comparison

Florida
FSU
Miami

UCF
USF

FIU
Florida Atlantic


So to close up my take, it would be a significantly better position to be UC as the clear 2nd best school in the state to OSU (who barely recruits Ohio), than to be the 4th or 5th option in Florida even if Florida technically has more recruits.

Maybe. So doesnt the new transfer rule help USF because so much talent comes out of the bay area and they might want to transfer home?

I'm guessing you dont know how far Tallahassee, Miami, and Gainesville are from Tampa and that's fine. If Hillsborough kids want to come back home and not have to sit out a year they aren't going to a school over 4 hours away(if they want to be home)

Your original post I quoted was:

"I think it would clearly benefit Houston, SMU, and UC as their local markets produce a ton of D1 talent."

So to close up my take, USF's market produces a ton more talent than UC's. I just made a point that it was weird that you left out one of the biggest markets and you got your panties in a wad.

….and UCF-I think the rule definitely helps the Metro schools in the AAC who have little chance at the top recruits out of high school in Florida, Texas, Ohio and also even Tulane which has had some decent transfers from talent rich Louisiana. It hasn't been mentioned but it also helps schools that create a positive experience for student athletes and hurts the recruit factory Meat on the Hoof programs and hard-ass coaches that treat their players like trash

Bill Connelly
@ESPN_BillC
I also appreciate Sonny Dykes Subtweeting Most Of His Coaching Peers very much.

i don't think there are many players who would just up and leave a winning program/system to go to a bigger school on the off chance they get equal playing time and more exposure. let me use UCF as an example. if you have an NFL body and speed and you're putting up numbers at UCF you will get attention from the NFL scouts. why risk having to adjust to a new system when money is on the line?

now where this will be punishing is when a coach leaves and now players can follow him and play right away. mckenzie might have followed frost to nebraska under these rules. trysten hill definitely would have.

(02-26-2020 07:46 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  i don't think there are many players who would just up and leave a winning program/system to go to a bigger school on the off chance they get equal playing time and more exposure. let me use UCF as an example. if you have an NFL body and speed and you're putting up numbers at UCF you will get attention from the NFL scouts. why risk having to adjust to a new system when money is on the line?

Temple hasn't lost a lot of players who have transferred in recent years, but in the one somewhat recent example, Center Anthony Lee transferred to Ohio State for his 4th year of eligibility ~7 years ago. He had been a productive starter at Temple.

Unfortunately for Lee, he only started 6 games and played 11.0 mpg at OSU, after starting 27 games and playing 31.1 mpg at Temple, illustrating the point that "transferring up" can be very risky.

In contrast, Temple players who transferred to non-P5, non BE schools (in 2011 and 2013) got considerably more playing time the season after transferring:

Craig Williams (PF): started 16 games and played 17.4 mpg at TCU when they were a non-P5 MWC team, after starting only 6 games and playing 11.9 mpg in his Junior year at Temple.

Aaron Brown (Wing): started 30 games and played 27 mpg at Southern Mississippi, after starting only 1 game and playing 14.6 mpg at Temple.*

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*In Brown's case, the decision to "transfer up" eventually panned out. In his second season after transferring from Temple, Brown started 32 games and played 33.9 mpg at Boston College in his Senior year.


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Of these 3 players who had gotten significant playing time at Temple before transferring, the two who transferred to non-elite schools started and played more often after transferring, while the one who transferred to an elite school started and played much less often after transferring.

Of the 2 players who transferred from Temple and subsequently played at least one season in an elite conference, the one who next played a season in an elite conference started and played much less often after transferring. In contrast, the one who played a season in an elite conference after having played in a non-elite conference for a year, ended up starting and playing more often in his senior year.

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These 3 cases are too anecdotal to be representative of the impact of transferring on subsequent playing time, but they may illustrate the potential pitfalls of attempting to "transfer up" and the potential benefits of transferring to a non-elite school.

(02-26-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Bill Connelly
@ESPN_BillC
I also appreciate Sonny Dykes Subtweeting Most Of His Coaching Peers very much.

Says the guy who had more transfers in than anyone in the league to help make his program the most relevant it's been in years.

(02-27-2020 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Bill Connelly
@ESPN_BillC
I also appreciate Sonny Dykes Subtweeting Most Of His Coaching Peers very much.

Says the guy who had more transfers in than anyone in the league to help make his program the most relevant it's been in years.

Yeah I don’t buy it. I think it’s a minor league system for the top programs. The problem with Dykes argument is it’s assuming the athletes are making mature logical decisions . . . Except they’re 19 years old. They don’t have the wisdom to make the best decision for them, they would rather buy into the hype, and pop culture/Insta famous dream. The one year sit out is a penalty that the kids understand and forces them to slow their roll. Essentially I see the top couple players of each AAC team getting picked off annually.

(02-27-2020 06:36 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  

(02-27-2020 05:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-26-2020 11:31 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Bill Connelly
@ESPN_BillC
I also appreciate Sonny Dykes Subtweeting Most Of His Coaching Peers very much.

Says the guy who had more transfers in than anyone in the league to help make his program the most relevant it's been in years.

Yeah I don’t buy it. I think it’s a minor league system for the top programs. The problem with Dykes argument is it’s assuming the athletes are making mature logical decisions . . . Except they’re 19 years old. They don’t have the wisdom to make the best decision for them, they would rather buy into the hype, and pop culture/Insta famous dream. The one year sit out is a penalty that the kids understand and forces them to slow their roll. Essentially I see the top couple players of each AAC team getting picked off annually.

And when that's your starting QB, best running back, your best receiver or shutdown CB it can change the team from a contender to one with several more losses. This is especially true for AAC schools that are just slightly below the best P5 programs & ahead of many mid & lower P5 programs. This would be disastrous.