(01-18-2020 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems much of this thread has been about UConn FB which lost $10M of the overall $42M loss in the athletic dept. OK disband the FB program today & UConn still has a $32M deficit & likely more because there would then be no FB revenues. And this while the WBB seems to be losing a little of its dominate edge & MBB becoming a middle of the road program. Then add the AAC exit expense & lower BE revenues. This doesn't appear to provide for a promising future for UConn athletics, with or without FB or in the BE or the AAC.

So the only solution is making UConn athletics club sports. Charge the club players too. The AAC needs the exit money before they are totally broke.

(01-17-2020 01:26 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:47 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  I never understand the it will help us recruit basketball better argument.... Memphis had top 10 classes in the suckhole CUSA conferences don't matter in recruiting

That's probably because you didn't fully read the argument he was making, or at least you didn't fully comprehend it. Memphis is a city known for its basketball recruits, and the school is centrally located within the AAC; there are plenty of games within driving distance a recruit's family can attend, so Memphis does not face the same issue despite being in the same conference. He made the point we are geographically on an island, which hurt our ability to recruit NY because it was a lot harder for a recruit's family to attend their games.

To his point, we're bringing in 2 more great recruits next year, one from NY and one from Canada, who cited our move back to the Big East and their families' ability to watch them play as reasons for ultimately choosing UConn

travel costs are one thing but your budget will not be solvent in a conference like the AAC or the Big East...until you get somewhere like the ACC where you get 25 million dropped in your lap UConn will continue to lose money.

(01-17-2020 05:52 PM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 04:49 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 01:32 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 10:09 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:32 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  The deficit is certainly a lot of UConn’s fault. Having a football team that is terrible and can no longer draw a crowd as a result of being terrible is definitely UConn’s fault (that sport has been terribly mismanaged by our administration).

Men’s basketball is different, though. Our bread and butter was always recruiting NYC and those recruits don’t care about playing in the AAC. It is too far for a recruit’s family to see them play any road games and the tournament is now in Fort Worth (which may as well be on the moon from where we are). If you are in Memphis, Dallas, Houston, or Wichita the geographic reality is much different. Even flying in from Cincinnati is much closer.

We surrendered because it was a poor geographic fit that involved playing schools with whom we have no history. You all for the most part were in CUSA together (and for Temple and Wichita, this was a step up from the A-10 and MVC respectively). UConn’s history is the Big East and NYC. It will be nice to be “home” again up north.

NYC doesn't give a $hit about UConn all your games were blacked out

Lol. He was talking about recruiting NYC, so whether or not people in NYC watch our games is irrelevant. But even so, there are plenty of UConn alums in NYC that regularly watch UConn games so not sure what you're talking about

Only if they have SNY... SNY is in a separate package than ESPN so in essence it would be cheaper to subscribe to ESPN+ to watch UConn than what it costs to subscribe to the package that contains SNY, furthermore, it is cheaper to subscribe to ESPN+ to watch UConn than what it costs to subscribe to the package that contains FS1 and FS2.

The fact that an NYC based regional sports network has dedicated UConn broadcasts, studios, and analysts proves that NYC doesn't give a **** about UConn, I guess.

It's partially owned by the NY METS, they will take anything to fill air time!

(01-17-2020 11:59 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 01:26 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:47 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  I never understand the it will help us recruit basketball better argument.... Memphis had top 10 classes in the suckhole CUSA conferences don't matter in recruiting

That's probably because you didn't fully read the argument he was making, or at least you didn't fully comprehend it. Memphis is a city known for its basketball recruits, and the school is centrally located within the AAC; there are plenty of games within driving distance a recruit's family can attend, so Memphis does not face the same issue despite being in the same conference. He made the point we are geographically on an island, which hurt our ability to recruit NY because it was a lot harder for a recruit's family to attend their games.

To his point, we're bringing in 2 more great recruits next year, one from NY and one from Canada, who cited our move back to the Big East and their families' ability to watch them play as reasons for ultimately choosing UConn

That makes no sense. Memphis recruits/fans might drive to Cincinnati, but they’re not driving to Tulsa, Texas or New Orleans. UConn fans could drive to Temple, ECU and Cincy just as easily.

Just did a google search. Driving to ECU or Cincinnati is ridiculous. 12 hours one way. I did go to Philly several times and will miss that trip. Going from Memphis to a bunch of schools is between six and seven hours. Easily doable for a weekend trip.

Y'all still sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo obsessed with us.

Good, let CT pay more taxes.

(01-21-2020 03:50 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Y'all still sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo obsessed with us.

you still owe us 17 million...until that's paid, yup we're very interested in UConn.

(01-21-2020 05:14 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 03:50 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Y'all still sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo obsessed with us.

you still owe us 17 million...until that's paid, yup we're very interested in UConn.

That's a lot of jalapeno mac n' cheese....

(01-17-2020 12:16 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 11:50 PM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:32 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 08:57 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 07:46 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  UConn has P5 expenses on a “G5” (FIFY) budget since we are the only school in this conference to win a national title (multiple ones) in a revenue sport in the last 60 years that doesn’t have an asterisk attached to it. We have dumped tons of money on facilities and, unlike Memphis being neatly tucked into the center of this conference, almost every game for us in a cash burning flight of 1200-1700 miles. Mike Aresco even complained about his travel to conference schools from Providence. So, it is okay for student athletes to deal with that travel when our overpaid commissioner is whining about it?

The Big East makes geographic and competitive sense. It will help our men’s hoop team recruit (no northeast recruit wants to deal with AAC crazy travel from New England) and our women’s team may finally find a team that can beat them.

As for football, we were smart enough to realize that G5 football is a scam created by the P5. G5 schools burn crazy amounts of money to maybe play in a New Year’s bowl that still doesn’t really mean anything. There is no chance for a national title and most available AAC bowl games are pretty lame tie-ins to teams nobody cares about.

UConn knows that there are no seats left at the P5 table and there will never be an official “P6”.... ever.

As a northeastern basketball school, we did what was best for us. You just do you and we won’t judge your decisions.

UConn has an enormous budget deficit. It is entirely UConn’s fault. UConn is nearly the worse team in football. It is entirely UConn’s fault. UConn has underachieved in basketball since their NC (even Memphis has performed better). It is entirely UConn’s fault.

Face it, your school surrendered because the AAC was too tough.

The deficit is certainly a lot of UConn’s fault. Having a football team that is terrible and can no longer draw a crowd as a result of being terrible is definitely UConn’s fault (that sport has been terribly mismanaged by our administration).

Men’s basketball is different, though. Our bread and butter was always recruiting NYC and those recruits don’t care about playing in the AAC. It is too far for a recruit’s family to see them play any road games and the tournament is now in Fort Worth (which may as well be on the moon from where we are). If you are in Memphis, Dallas, Houston, or Wichita the geographic reality is much different. Even flying in from Cincinnati is much closer.

We surrendered because it was a poor geographic fit that involved playing schools with whom we have no history. You all for the most part were in CUSA together (and for Temple and Wichita, this was a step up from the A-10 and MVC respectively). UConn’s history is the Big East and NYC. It will be nice to be “home” again up north.

Funny, we have NYC recruits playing basketball in the South.

Your travel isn’t much different and even worse in football.

What’s your credit score.....I mean dayum?!

No offense but nothing will change.


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You have one guy from NY. Should I be impressed? If Penny can't land at least one NY guy per year just for being Penny, he should be fired.

That said, it is harder for northeastern schools to lure up southern recruits. Y’all normally don’t move far from your families. Not that that is bad. Southern families are pretty tight and I respect that. I wish we focused on our families and didn’t get distracted by stuff that doesn’t matter nearly as much. Being tight with family beats chasing money. As the Beatles said, money can’t buy you love.

Honestly, UCONN's administration is just bad. If Temple can have success in this conference then so can UCONN.

UCONN's path to Division II...Admin with no vision nor ambition. You're losing all DI market value.

(01-18-2020 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems much of this thread has been about UConn FB which lost $10M of the overall $42M loss in the athletic dept. OK disband the FB program today & UConn still has a $32M deficit & likely more because there would then be no FB revenues. And this while the WBB seems to be losing a little of its dominate edge & MBB becoming a middle of the road program. Then add the AAC exit expense & lower BE revenues. This doesn't appear to provide for a promising future for UConn athletics, with or without FB or in the BE or the AAC.

Well, couple things.

1) Drop UConn football tomorrow and you cut the deficit in half - football lost 13.3 million (not 13.3 million in expenses, net loss including revenue). Couple that with the Title 9 offsets on the women's side and you should be able to get to $20 million pretty easily.

2) If I remember correctly UConn is paying their exit fees primarily by foregoing their conference revenue shares last year and this current year, which will exacerbate this number and whatever the number for this current year winds up being. Under normal operating conditions the loss seems like it'd be more like $37-38 million.

3) I wouldn't be so quick to paint a $30ish million loss as problematic, it's closer to the cost of doing business in the AAC. Uconn's the only school I can find the 2019 numbers for, but in 2018 UCF lost $28 million, Cincy lost $29 million, Houston lost $31 million, and Memphis/USF both lost less, but still between between $23 and $24 million each. That brings me to my last point....

4) Functionally none of these "losses" are actually losses in the way people usually use the word. They aren't paid using withdrawals from finite bank accounts or by the school floating debt, they're paid in full every year using tuition money that's hidden in department revenues under "transfers". The more accurate way to discuss "losses" is to say that last year the students paid combined athletic department fees totalling X Amount. That doesn't necessarily make it better, but a whole bunch of people are talking about this in a way that suggests they don't understand the actual cashflow.

(01-17-2020 09:56 AM)qwerty1 Wrote:  Here is the ugly truth:

Rutgers > UConn

Rutgers offers zero value to the B10. At least UCONN would have brought in a good basketball brand along with the NE market they were trying to capture. Rutgers brought in sucky football and sucky basketball.

(01-21-2020 10:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems much of this thread has been about UConn FB which lost $10M of the overall $42M loss in the athletic dept. OK disband the FB program today & UConn still has a $32M deficit & likely more because there would then be no FB revenues. And this while the WBB seems to be losing a little of its dominate edge & MBB becoming a middle of the road program. Then add the AAC exit expense & lower BE revenues. This doesn't appear to provide for a promising future for UConn athletics, with or without FB or in the BE or the AAC.

Well, couple things.

1) Drop UConn football tomorrow and you cut the deficit in half - football lost 13.3 million (not 13.3 million in expenses, net loss including revenue). Couple that with the Title 9 offsets on the women's side and you should be able to get to $20 million pretty easily.

2) If I remember correctly UConn is paying their exit fees primarily by foregoing their conference revenue shares last year and this current year, which will exacerbate this number and whatever the number for this current year winds up being. Under normal operating conditions the loss seems like it'd be more like $37-38 million.

3) I wouldn't be so quick to paint a $30ish million loss as problematic, it's closer to the cost of doing business in the AAC. Uconn's the only school I can find the 2019 numbers for, but in 2018 UCF lost $28 million, Cincy lost $29 million, Houston lost $31 million, and Memphis/USF both lost less, but still between between $23 and $24 million each. That brings me to my last point....

4) Functionally none of these "losses" are actually losses in the way people usually use the word. They aren't paid using withdrawals from finite bank accounts or by the school floating debt, they're paid in full every year using tuition money that's hidden in department revenues under "transfers". The more accurate way to discuss "losses" is to say that last year the students paid combined athletic department fees totalling X Amount. That doesn't necessarily make it better, but a whole bunch of people are talking about this in a way that suggests they don't understand the actual cashflow.

Thanks for playing in the AAC. Bye . You're worthless, but we appreciate your effort for trying.

(01-21-2020 11:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 10:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems much of this thread has been about UConn FB which lost $10M of the overall $42M loss in the athletic dept. OK disband the FB program today & UConn still has a $32M deficit & likely more because there would then be no FB revenues. And this while the WBB seems to be losing a little of its dominate edge & MBB becoming a middle of the road program. Then add the AAC exit expense & lower BE revenues. This doesn't appear to provide for a promising future for UConn athletics, with or without FB or in the BE or the AAC.

Well, couple things.

1) Drop UConn football tomorrow and you cut the deficit in half - football lost 13.3 million (not 13.3 million in expenses, net loss including revenue). Couple that with the Title 9 offsets on the women's side and you should be able to get to $20 million pretty easily.

2) If I remember correctly UConn is paying their exit fees primarily by foregoing their conference revenue shares last year and this current year, which will exacerbate this number and whatever the number for this current year winds up being. Under normal operating conditions the loss seems like it'd be more like $37-38 million.

3) I wouldn't be so quick to paint a $30ish million loss as problematic, it's closer to the cost of doing business in the AAC. Uconn's the only school I can find the 2019 numbers for, but in 2018 UCF lost $28 million, Cincy lost $29 million, Houston lost $31 million, and Memphis/USF both lost less, but still between between $23 and $24 million each. That brings me to my last point....

4) Functionally none of these "losses" are actually losses in the way people usually use the word. They aren't paid using withdrawals from finite bank accounts or by the school floating debt, they're paid in full every year using tuition money that's hidden in department revenues under "transfers". The more accurate way to discuss "losses" is to say that last year the students paid combined athletic department fees totalling X Amount. That doesn't necessarily make it better, but a whole bunch of people are talking about this in a way that suggests they don't understand the actual cashflow.

Thanks for playing in the AAC. Bye . You're worthless, but we appreciate your effort for trying.

We're very happy to be gone, we paid extra to leave. Y'all are the ones continuing to start threads with UConn in the title.

(01-22-2020 09:15 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 11:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 10:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems much of this thread has been about UConn FB which lost $10M of the overall $42M loss in the athletic dept. OK disband the FB program today & UConn still has a $32M deficit & likely more because there would then be no FB revenues. And this while the WBB seems to be losing a little of its dominate edge & MBB becoming a middle of the road program. Then add the AAC exit expense & lower BE revenues. This doesn't appear to provide for a promising future for UConn athletics, with or without FB or in the BE or the AAC.

Well, couple things.

1) Drop UConn football tomorrow and you cut the deficit in half - football lost 13.3 million (not 13.3 million in expenses, net loss including revenue). Couple that with the Title 9 offsets on the women's side and you should be able to get to $20 million pretty easily.

2) If I remember correctly UConn is paying their exit fees primarily by foregoing their conference revenue shares last year and this current year, which will exacerbate this number and whatever the number for this current year winds up being. Under normal operating conditions the loss seems like it'd be more like $37-38 million.

3) I wouldn't be so quick to paint a $30ish million loss as problematic, it's closer to the cost of doing business in the AAC. Uconn's the only school I can find the 2019 numbers for, but in 2018 UCF lost $28 million, Cincy lost $29 million, Houston lost $31 million, and Memphis/USF both lost less, but still between between $23 and $24 million each. That brings me to my last point....

4) Functionally none of these "losses" are actually losses in the way people usually use the word. They aren't paid using withdrawals from finite bank accounts or by the school floating debt, they're paid in full every year using tuition money that's hidden in department revenues under "transfers". The more accurate way to discuss "losses" is to say that last year the students paid combined athletic department fees totalling X Amount. That doesn't necessarily make it better, but a whole bunch of people are talking about this in a way that suggests they don't understand the actual cashflow.

Thanks for playing in the AAC. Bye . You're worthless, but we appreciate your effort for trying.

We're very happy to be gone, we paid extra to leave. Y'all are the ones continuing to start threads with UConn in the title.

I love how you took the time to lay out a few talking points you thought people were getting wrong for the sake of discussion, and he just counters with "you're worthless, BYE."

Not only does he sound like a 13 year old girl, the post makes no sense lol. It's not like you were talking ****. What a pathetic attempt at being an internet hard ass

(01-22-2020 09:15 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 11:49 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 10:34 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:15 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Seems much of this thread has been about UConn FB which lost $10M of the overall $42M loss in the athletic dept. OK disband the FB program today & UConn still has a $32M deficit & likely more because there would then be no FB revenues. And this while the WBB seems to be losing a little of its dominate edge & MBB becoming a middle of the road program. Then add the AAC exit expense & lower BE revenues. This doesn't appear to provide for a promising future for UConn athletics, with or without FB or in the BE or the AAC.

Well, couple things.

1) Drop UConn football tomorrow and you cut the deficit in half - football lost 13.3 million (not 13.3 million in expenses, net loss including revenue). Couple that with the Title 9 offsets on the women's side and you should be able to get to $20 million pretty easily.

2) If I remember correctly UConn is paying their exit fees primarily by foregoing their conference revenue shares last year and this current year, which will exacerbate this number and whatever the number for this current year winds up being. Under normal operating conditions the loss seems like it'd be more like $37-38 million.

3) I wouldn't be so quick to paint a $30ish million loss as problematic, it's closer to the cost of doing business in the AAC. Uconn's the only school I can find the 2019 numbers for, but in 2018 UCF lost $28 million, Cincy lost $29 million, Houston lost $31 million, and Memphis/USF both lost less, but still between between $23 and $24 million each. That brings me to my last point....

4) Functionally none of these "losses" are actually losses in the way people usually use the word. They aren't paid using withdrawals from finite bank accounts or by the school floating debt, they're paid in full every year using tuition money that's hidden in department revenues under "transfers". The more accurate way to discuss "losses" is to say that last year the students paid combined athletic department fees totalling X Amount. That doesn't necessarily make it better, but a whole bunch of people are talking about this in a way that suggests they don't understand the actual cashflow.

Thanks for playing in the AAC. Bye . You're worthless, but we appreciate your effort for trying.

We're very happy to be gone, we paid extra to leave. Y'all are the ones continuing to start threads with UConn in the title.

and that money is very important to us as it'll cover all of our ESPN+ upstart production costs and some of year two's expenses as well...so thanks for making our TV contract far more viable.

(01-21-2020 02:57 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:59 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 01:26 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:47 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  I never understand the it will help us recruit basketball better argument.... Memphis had top 10 classes in the suckhole CUSA conferences don't matter in recruiting

That's probably because you didn't fully read the argument he was making, or at least you didn't fully comprehend it. Memphis is a city known for its basketball recruits, and the school is centrally located within the AAC; there are plenty of games within driving distance a recruit's family can attend, so Memphis does not face the same issue despite being in the same conference. He made the point we are geographically on an island, which hurt our ability to recruit NY because it was a lot harder for a recruit's family to attend their games.

To his point, we're bringing in 2 more great recruits next year, one from NY and one from Canada, who cited our move back to the Big East and their families' ability to watch them play as reasons for ultimately choosing UConn

That makes no sense. Memphis recruits/fans might drive to Cincinnati, but they’re not driving to Tulsa, Texas or New Orleans. UConn fans could drive to Temple, ECU and Cincy just as easily.

Just did a google search. Driving to ECU or Cincinnati is ridiculous. 12 hours one way. I did go to Philly several times and will miss that trip. Going from Memphis to a bunch of schools is between six and seven hours. Easily doable for a weekend trip.

Why can't you keep going to Philly?

(01-22-2020 09:57 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  and that money is very important to us as it'll cover all of our ESPN+ upstart production costs and some of year two's expenses as well...so thanks for making our TV contract far more viable.

Cool. I'm glad the 200k a year will make a difference for Memphis.

(01-21-2020 02:57 PM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 11:59 PM)PowderKeg! Wrote:  

(01-17-2020 01:26 PM)Nameless Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 09:47 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  I never understand the it will help us recruit basketball better argument.... Memphis had top 10 classes in the suckhole CUSA conferences don't matter in recruiting

That's probably because you didn't fully read the argument he was making, or at least you didn't fully comprehend it. Memphis is a city known for its basketball recruits, and the school is centrally located within the AAC; there are plenty of games within driving distance a recruit's family can attend, so Memphis does not face the same issue despite being in the same conference. He made the point we are geographically on an island, which hurt our ability to recruit NY because it was a lot harder for a recruit's family to attend their games.

To his point, we're bringing in 2 more great recruits next year, one from NY and one from Canada, who cited our move back to the Big East and their families' ability to watch them play as reasons for ultimately choosing UConn

That makes no sense. Memphis recruits/fans might drive to Cincinnati, but they’re not driving to Tulsa, Texas or New Orleans. UConn fans could drive to Temple, ECU and Cincy just as easily.

Just did a google search. Driving to ECU or Cincinnati is ridiculous. 12 hours one way. I did go to Philly several times and will miss that trip. Going from Memphis to a bunch of schools is between six and seven hours. Easily doable for a weekend trip.

And yet you're going to have to still drive to Cincinnati (Xavier), Washington DC (Georgetown), and travel to Chicago (DePaul), Indianapolis (Butler), Milwaukee (Marquette), and Omaha (Creighton).

Good luck with those trips.

man that sucks for UConn...so sad