Moments after mentioning the rumor of Coen moving on, a JMU poster responds that they should go after him, lol. It's too easy....

(03-17-2020 10:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Now they've moved on to Wes Miller....as if.

Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Now they've moved on to Wes Miller....as if.

Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Now they've moved on to Wes Miller....as if.

Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

I'm going to pop over there and say i heard Greg Popovich is available LOL

(03-17-2020 11:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Now they've moved on to Wes Miller....as if.

Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

We'll see, but IMO their speculation about the salary range in this hire is delusional. They'll probably be right about where we are.

(03-17-2020 11:13 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:47 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Now they've moved on to Wes Miller....as if.

Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

We'll see, but IMO their speculation about the salary range in this hire is delusional. They'll probably be right about where we are.

That's where I don't have any insight, and I don't know their historical salaries. To be clear, I agree with you...Miller would be a HR hire for them, and even though I can imagine a scenario where Miller leaves UNCG, it would be shocking to see him in the CAA.

(03-17-2020 11:16 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:13 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

We'll see, but IMO their speculation about the salary range in this hire is delusional. They'll probably be right about where we are.

That's where I don't have any insight, and I don't know their historical salaries. To be clear, I agree with you...Miller would be a HR hire for them, and even though I can imagine a scenario where Miller leaves UNCG, it would be shocking to see him in the CAA.

Agree completely. Miller keeps things rolling there he will get a shot, but it will likely be in a P5. Why would he go to arguably a step down, and play second fiddle to football? UNCG is a better hoops job. Not really sure how that could be debated.

(03-17-2020 11:16 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:13 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

We'll see, but IMO their speculation about the salary range in this hire is delusional. They'll probably be right about where we are.

That's where I don't have any insight, and I don't know their historical salaries. To be clear, I agree with you...Miller would be a HR hire for them, and even though I can imagine a scenario where Miller leaves UNCG, it would be shocking to see him in the CAA.

Lou Rowe had a base of $260k and now they have to pay for a new arena. They aren't exactly flush with cash.

(03-17-2020 11:16 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:13 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:51 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Who did Miller play for at JMU? I doubt that one year there is drawing him back, but compared to Brad Stevens and Atkins, Miller makes some sense.

Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

We'll see, but IMO their speculation about the salary range in this hire is delusional. They'll probably be right about where we are.

That's where I don't have any insight, and I don't know their historical salaries. To be clear, I agree with you...Miller would be a HR hire for them, and even though I can imagine a scenario where Miller leaves UNCG, it would be shocking to see him in the CAA.

I see no way that Miller would even talk to JMU or any team in the CAA about a head coach job.

(03-17-2020 11:23 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:16 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:13 AM)82hawk Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 10:57 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Not for Miller it doesn't. Why would he risk a rising career and a shot at a P5 type job to go to a historically bad JMU? He just got UNCG on track. That could be a huge setback with an upside no greater than where he is now.

If Miller doesn't get a P5 offer this year and he feels like ETSU and Wofford will prevent him from winning championships and taking the next step, it may make sense for him to go to a conference where the top is wide open. Plus, the top range salary they're mentioning would be a significant increase.

I don't think he would make a lateral move, but those are some reasons I could see him being interested in something other than a P5 job.

We'll see, but IMO their speculation about the salary range in this hire is delusional. They'll probably be right about where we are.

That's where I don't have any insight, and I don't know their historical salaries. To be clear, I agree with you...Miller would be a HR hire for them, and even though I can imagine a scenario where Miller leaves UNCG, it would be shocking to see him in the CAA.

I see no way that Miller would even talk to JMU or any team in the CAA about a head coach job.

Not now. But I think we could have had him instead of McGrath following Keatts.

(03-17-2020 10:02 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  I think we need 70sHawk to pop in over there daily and do a counter each day that goes by, like he did for the Mehrtens/Buzz year here. This search could take a while.

The difference is that in those days the Seahawk fans were rational and the administration was delusional. In JMU's case, the fans are clearly the delusional. Not quite sure about their administration!

(03-17-2020 11:11 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I'm going to pop over there and say i heard Greg Popovich is available LOL

LOL. Yes please do. They'll glom onto any name you mention. Bring up Phil Jackson too while you're at it.

(03-17-2020 11:22 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Lou Rowe had a base of $260k and now they have to pay for a new arena. They aren't exactly flush with cash.

The logic is that BECAUSE they're moving into a new arena, they'll throw a bunch of money to a HC to ensure there's hype behind the basketball program. Especially since they've failed with every hire since Lefty Driesell.

Basically they think this administration can't afford to fail on this one and thus will open up the checkbook. Then, with the momentum that comes from the new arena and a quality HC, they think they'll get an invite to one of the FBS conferences. That's a lot to hope for.

It makes some sense in theory that they'll spend on this HC like they haven't in a while. But even if they do spend I doubt it'll get to a level high enough to draw in a big game. Maybe the 400k-500k range. And it would come with the hope that money will come from the back end.

(03-17-2020 12:54 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  

(03-17-2020 11:22 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Lou Rowe had a base of $260k and now they have to pay for a new arena. They aren't exactly flush with cash.

The logic is that BECAUSE they're moving into a new arena, they'll throw a bunch of money to a HC to ensure there's hype behind the basketball program. Especially since they've failed with every hire since Lefty Driesell.

Basically they think this administration can't afford to fail on this one and thus will open up the checkbook. Then, with the momentum that comes from the new arena and a quality HC, they think they'll get an invite to one of the FBS conferences. That's a lot to hope for.

It makes some sense in theory that they'll spend on this HC like they haven't in a while. But even if they do spend I doubt it'll get to a level high enough to draw in a big game. Maybe the 400k-500k range. And it would come with the hope that money will come from the back end.

We are in that range, we just don't guarantee it. Siddle is right at $400k as long as we are .500 in CAA play. I can't see JMU STARTING with those numbers guaranteed and then add bonuses.

Wes Miller is participating in the Danny Manning discharge watch. Miller's dad played baseball at Wake and donated enough money to have one of their basketball facilities named for him.

It would be a long shot for Miller to get hired at Wake, but they make strange decisions sometimes.

Russell Turner of UC-Irvine is a former Wake assistant and coached the Anteaters into the 2019 NCAA Tournament where they won a real game, not a play-in game. He would be a smart hire. He's a former Warriors' assistant and befriended Steph Curry while he was there.

JMU board update: Some reasonable fans on there are settling on Radford HC Mike Jones as their top choice. Whether he's actually available to JMU or not is anyone's guess.

Meanwhile, the majority are shouting down this suggestion, and operating as if JMU is above a hire of that nature.

I dont think Miller to Wake is that much of a long shot, to be honest. I do think they will throw darts at guys like Beilein, first, but realistically I think Miller is probably the guy at Wake. That is unless the virus makes them decide to go one more year with Manning. There is also no chance in hell he ends at JMU. A guy like Miller could end up at CofC but not JMU. CAA is worse than the SoCon right now so you would have to be serious to get his attention. Right now I saw on the JMU board that CofC pays the most at 650k for their coach. It would take closer to 1M to get Miller away from UNCG.

And yes the virus is strong in that group at JMU. Expectations and reality are only worlds apart. Their fanbase better be ready for a very swift letdown. Last spending numbers available was like 2.9M basketball budget for JMU, yet their fans think spending half of that on a coaching staff is realistic. If they did, they would really need coaches to be amazing since they would be hampered in recruiting budget.

(03-18-2020 09:01 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I dont think Miller to Wake is that much of a long shot, to be honest. I do think they will throw darts at guys like Beilein, first, but realistically I think Miller is probably the guy at Wake. That is unless the virus makes them decide to go one more year with Manning. There is also no chance in hell he ends at JMU. A guy like Miller could end up at CofC but not JMU. CAA is worse than the SoCon right now so you would have to be serious to get his attention. Right now I saw on the JMU board that CofC pays the most at 650k for their coach. It would take closer to 1M to get Miller away from UNCG.

And yes the virus is strong in that group at JMU. Expectations and reality are only worlds apart. Their fanbase better be ready for a very swift letdown. Last spending numbers available was like 2.9M basketball budget for JMU, yet their fans think spending half of that on a coaching staff is realistic. If they did, they would really need coaches to be amazing since they would be hampered in recruiting budget.

It's pretty clear that JMU fans want a hire that will get their basketball program to a level where they can leave the CAA, so their football program can become bowl level. However, I've never gotten any indication from their administration that this is their goal. If they get Mike Jones, he would be a tremendous hire. It's pretty sad a lot of them consider him an underwhelming hire.

(03-18-2020 10:07 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 09:01 AM)dan10 Wrote:  I dont think Miller to Wake is that much of a long shot, to be honest. I do think they will throw darts at guys like Beilein, first, but realistically I think Miller is probably the guy at Wake. That is unless the virus makes them decide to go one more year with Manning. There is also no chance in hell he ends at JMU. A guy like Miller could end up at CofC but not JMU. CAA is worse than the SoCon right now so you would have to be serious to get his attention. Right now I saw on the JMU board that CofC pays the most at 650k for their coach. It would take closer to 1M to get Miller away from UNCG.

And yes the virus is strong in that group at JMU. Expectations and reality are only worlds apart. Their fanbase better be ready for a very swift letdown. Last spending numbers available was like 2.9M basketball budget for JMU, yet their fans think spending half of that on a coaching staff is realistic. If they did, they would really need coaches to be amazing since they would be hampered in recruiting budget.

It's pretty clear that JMU fans want a hire that will get their basketball program to a level where they can leave the CAA, so their football program can become bowl level. However, I've never gotten any indication from their administration that this is their goal. If they get Mike Jones, he would be a tremendous hire. It's pretty sad a lot of them consider him an underwhelming hire.

EZU has sucked at basketball forever and it hasn't hampered their moves in football conferences. Basketball isn't their path to a football conference either.