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Interesting article about Memphis possibly ending up on the bubble.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...team-march

Wichita went cold and Memphis made a run. Went from down 19 to down 6 with 3 to go

Memphis is really young so that can rear its head at times in big games. Not having Wiseman makes them less formidable for sure. Still a lot of talent but I don't see them as the team to beat in conference play.

So, with the win Wichy remains in the group of 3 unbeatens...

Houston 2-0
SMU 2-0
Wichita St 2-0
CincinnatUH 2-1
ECU 1-1
Memphis 1-1
Tulsa 1-1
UGone 1-2
South Florida 1-2
Temple 1-2
Tulane 1-2
UCF 0-3

(01-09-2020 08:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Interesting article about Memphis possibly ending up on the bubble.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...team-march

Correct if wrong but that article is mostly based off their. BPI predictions which, like KenPom, struggled to accou t for Memphis' sudden surge in recruiting before the season.

I think now halfway through the season the preseason predictions are starting to get replaced with real time data.

I get what that article is potentially saying. I’ve not been that impressed with the AAC as a whole this year and that could hurt a few teams resumes when we get into March.

Other than Wichita on their court, I just don’t see any games for anyone in the top half of the conference that are not winnable. Each of these teams seem to have some warts.

(01-10-2020 09:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think now halfway through the season the preseason predictions are starting to get replaced with real time data.

I get what that article is potentially saying. I’ve not been that impressed with the AAC as a whole this year and that could hurt a few teams resumes when we get into March.

Other than Wichita on their court, I just don’t see any games for anyone in the top half of the conference that are not winnable. Each of these teams seem to have some warts.

League is deeper than it has ever been with solid teams, but the top is the weakest it has been in years (at least so far). The league's kenpom adjusted efficiency is actually slightly better than last year (well ahead of 2018 and 2017 and better than every other year except year 1 when Louisville was still here, Rutgers was still here, UConn won the title and ECU/Tulane still had not joined). The big reason is last year the bottom two teams were 264 and 283 kenpom (gross) while this year they are currently 180 and 237 kenpom (still gross but that 180 is Tulane up about 80 spots from last season). Every other team is 122 or better with 7 teams in the kenpom top 78 (these numbers are fairly similar to last season, slightly better, but they don't have a Houston at the top who was 12 in adjusted efficiency).

Bottom line is the bottom of the league has gotten more competitive and is moving toward being really solid, but they need a couple more tournament caliber teams in the middle and need one or two teams to be top 20 type teams. Those aren't there this year.

(01-10-2020 10:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 09:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think now halfway through the season the preseason predictions are starting to get replaced with real time data.

I get what that article is potentially saying. I’ve not been that impressed with the AAC as a whole this year and that could hurt a few teams resumes when we get into March.

Other than Wichita on their court, I just don’t see any games for anyone in the top half of the conference that are not winnable. Each of these teams seem to have some warts.

League is deeper than it has ever been with solid teams, but the top is the weakest it has been in years (at least so far). The league's kenpom adjusted efficiency is actually slightly better than last year (well ahead of 2018 and 2017 and better than every other year except year 1 when Louisville was still here, Rutgers was still here, UConn won the title and ECU/Tulane still had not joined). The big reason is last year the bottom two teams were 264 and 283 kenpom (gross) while this year they are currently 180 and 237 kenpom (still gross but that 180 is Tulane up about 80 spots from last season). Every other team is 122 or better with 7 teams in the kenpom top 78 (these numbers are fairly similar to last season, slightly better, but they don't have a Houston at the top who was 12 in adjusted efficiency).

Bottom line is the bottom of the league has gotten more competitive and is moving toward being really solid, but they need a couple more tournament caliber teams in the middle and need one or two teams to be top 20 type teams. Those aren't there this year.

Wichita State is at 14 on barttorvik. If they keep winning i think they jump up kenpom quickly, i think the preseason prediction stuff holds on longer for kenpom than it does barttorvik.

Wichita State has the 47th best O and 8th best D on barttorvik.

(01-10-2020 10:38 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 10:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 09:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think now halfway through the season the preseason predictions are starting to get replaced with real time data.

I get what that article is potentially saying. I’ve not been that impressed with the AAC as a whole this year and that could hurt a few teams resumes when we get into March.

Other than Wichita on their court, I just don’t see any games for anyone in the top half of the conference that are not winnable. Each of these teams seem to have some warts.

League is deeper than it has ever been with solid teams, but the top is the weakest it has been in years (at least so far). The league's kenpom adjusted efficiency is actually slightly better than last year (well ahead of 2018 and 2017 and better than every other year except year 1 when Louisville was still here, Rutgers was still here, UConn won the title and ECU/Tulane still had not joined). The big reason is last year the bottom two teams were 264 and 283 kenpom (gross) while this year they are currently 180 and 237 kenpom (still gross but that 180 is Tulane up about 80 spots from last season). Every other team is 122 or better with 7 teams in the kenpom top 78 (these numbers are fairly similar to last season, slightly better, but they don't have a Houston at the top who was 12 in adjusted efficiency).

Bottom line is the bottom of the league has gotten more competitive and is moving toward being really solid, but they need a couple more tournament caliber teams in the middle and need one or two teams to be top 20 type teams. Those aren't there this year.

Wichita State is at 14 on barttorvik. If they keep winning i think they jump up kenpom quickly, i think the preseason prediction stuff holds on longer for kenpom than it does barttorvik.

Wichita State has the 47th best O and 8th best D on barttorvik.

You may be right. Will be interesting to continue to follow and see if they can step up and be that higher level team for the conference this year.

(01-10-2020 10:44 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 10:38 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 10:03 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-10-2020 09:52 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I think now halfway through the season the preseason predictions are starting to get replaced with real time data.

I get what that article is potentially saying. I’ve not been that impressed with the AAC as a whole this year and that could hurt a few teams resumes when we get into March.

Other than Wichita on their court, I just don’t see any games for anyone in the top half of the conference that are not winnable. Each of these teams seem to have some warts.

League is deeper than it has ever been with solid teams, but the top is the weakest it has been in years (at least so far). The league's kenpom adjusted efficiency is actually slightly better than last year (well ahead of 2018 and 2017 and better than every other year except year 1 when Louisville was still here, Rutgers was still here, UConn won the title and ECU/Tulane still had not joined). The big reason is last year the bottom two teams were 264 and 283 kenpom (gross) while this year they are currently 180 and 237 kenpom (still gross but that 180 is Tulane up about 80 spots from last season). Every other team is 122 or better with 7 teams in the kenpom top 78 (these numbers are fairly similar to last season, slightly better, but they don't have a Houston at the top who was 12 in adjusted efficiency).

Bottom line is the bottom of the league has gotten more competitive and is moving toward being really solid, but they need a couple more tournament caliber teams in the middle and need one or two teams to be top 20 type teams. Those aren't there this year.

Wichita State is at 14 on barttorvik. If they keep winning i think they jump up kenpom quickly, i think the preseason prediction stuff holds on longer for kenpom than it does barttorvik.

Wichita State has the 47th best O and 8th best D on barttorvik.

You may be right. Will be interesting to continue to follow and see if they can step up and be that higher level team for the conference this year.

The interesting thing to me about Wichita State is their of their top 6 minute guys 5 are freshmen or sophomores. Could be why they're lagging behind on kenpom, but could also be a reason they struggle with some road games.

To this point they've only played 1 true road game, but it was a 19 point victory at Oklahoma St.

This is Wichita's conference to lose, right?

(01-10-2020 11:41 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  This is Wichita's conference to lose, right?

Them or Houston have to be the favorites. Best combination of talent and proven coaching.

Watching last night's game, Memphis had superior talent, but Wichita played better as a team.

WSU Shockers have lost to WVU coached by some guy named Huggins. WVU also has won at OSU and stand 12-2 with losses by 2 at SJU and by 7 at #3 KS.

Ka boomski! Updated with the road win...

Houston 2-0
SMU 2-0
Wichita St 2-0
CincinnatUH 3-1
Tulane 2-2
ECU 1-1
Memphis 1-1
Tulsa 1-1
UGone 1-2
South Florida 1-2
Temple 1-3
UCF 0-4

Maybe Tulane ain't so bad after all.

I was expecting more out of Temple

(01-11-2020 03:51 PM)jarr Wrote:  I was expecting more out of Temple

Why

12-2 SMU is tied up at 7-8 ECU with under a minute ago. Conference road games are tough almost no matter what.

(01-11-2020 03:53 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-11-2020 03:51 PM)jarr Wrote:  I was expecting more out of Temple

Why

IDK, because they are always pretty tough and just made the tournament bringing back Quinten Rose and Pierre-Louis.

ECU wins 71-68.