(12-28-2019 01:52 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:49 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Does anyone have the AACs bowl record over last couple years? Total dominance I'm guessing.

Yeah i just did. I was thinking the AAC would be dominant. But it turns out they are 4-12 all time vs the G4 in bowls.

2019 Boca Raton: FAU 52-28 SMU
2019 Gasparilla: UCF 48-25 Marshall
2018 Cure: Tulane 41-24 Lousiana
2018 Gasparilla: Marshall 38-20 South Fl
2017 Frisco: Lousiana Tech 51-10 SMU
2017 Gasparilla: Temple 28-3 FIU
2017 Hawaii: Fresno St 33-27 Houston
2016 La Vegas: San Diego St 34-10 Houston
2016 Cure: Arkansas St 31-13 UCF
2016 Miami Beach: Tulsa 55-10 C. Mich
2016 Boca Raton: WKU 51-31 Memphis
2016 Armed Forces: LA Tech 48-45 Navy
2015 Miami Beach: WKU 45-35 So Fl
2015 Boca Raton: Toledo 32-17 Temple
2015 Hawaii: San Diego St 42-7 Cinci
2015 St. Pete: Marshall 16-10 UConn

I guess I was wrong. It's really weird, I dont think any other P6 has struggled with the G4 this much. There is time to turn things around but I'm wondering if at the next conference realignment the AAC might go back down to G5 status from the P6. I mean can you imagine if the Pac12 or ACC was 4-12 in bowl games against the G4? We arnt talking 8-8....that would cause some serious discussion about a P6 status. But 4-12. This is VERY concerning.

Wait, are you sure? NCAA football bowl games, right?

This year. AAC is 1-1 vs G4 in bowls. But 7-3 vs G4 bowl eligible teams.
Over five years, that "4-12" window, the AAC is 21-23 vs G4 bowl eligible teams. 54-27 overall.

Hunh. Maybe the small sample of bowls only is an awful way to judge things.

Even more weird, in the Christian spirit of giving at Christmas time, I gifted Neers12 with these facts on THEIR board, but he has the clownery to try it over here.

(12-28-2019 02:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:27 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

AAC loses more coaches than the other g5 before bowls....its not even close ...p5 only take the elite of the elite g4 coaches ..but they will take middling aac coaches .. temple, smu, usf, tulane will have coaches poached on 7/8 win seasons

and aac shools prefer assistants to g4 coaches, and the few times we take g4 coaches its after bowl season

I think they prefer Sun Belt coaches over G4 coaches/assistants.

You’re dumb. This makes no sense in response to what he said.

I just think Sun Belt coaches are in higher demand than G4 (AAC, MAC, CUSA, MW) coaches. Sorry if I you disagree.

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Like to see a number of how many AAC teams played in bowl games with their regular season team and coaching staff intact. Has to be very low.

That said, I doubt even the ones with their teams intact could take down the true storied programs in a bowl game like UAB for example.

Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

While teams like yours watch other teams play in bowl games.

(12-28-2019 02:53 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

While teams like yours watch other teams play in bowl games.

While posters like you come post on other boards because nobody cares about App nor the Sun Belt

(12-28-2019 02:48 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:27 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

AAC loses more coaches than the other g5 before bowls....its not even close ...p5 only take the elite of the elite g4 coaches ..but they will take middling aac coaches .. temple, smu, usf, tulane will have coaches poached on 7/8 win seasons

and aac shools prefer assistants to g4 coaches, and the few times we take g4 coaches its after bowl season

I think they prefer Sun Belt coaches over G4 coaches/assistants.

You’re dumb. This makes no sense in response to what he said.

I just think Sun Belt coaches are in higher demand than G4 (AAC, MAC, CUSA, MW) coaches. Sorry if I you disagree.

Thanks for the chance to highlight ANOTHER way the AAC is different from the G4s.

Check out coaches' salaries: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

The LOWEST listed AAC coach is $1.4M - twice what App was paying Drink. Holgs' $4M was well publicized but Fickell, Niumat, Heupel are all making over $2M.

AAC coaches in fact DO NOT just jump at the first aitonomy conference job that shows interest. PJ Fleck took the Minnesota job, Niumat didnt even take their calls. Norvell took FSU but not other earlier approaches.

It's another example that most statements that begin "its the same for all G5 schools/conferences..." are inaccurate, and are things that ARE common to CUSA, MAC, mwc, and SunBelt but not true for the AAC.

(12-28-2019 03:05 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:48 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:27 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  AAC loses more coaches than the other g5 before bowls....its not even close ...p5 only take the elite of the elite g4 coaches ..but they will take middling aac coaches .. temple, smu, usf, tulane will have coaches poached on 7/8 win seasons

and aac shools prefer assistants to g4 coaches, and the few times we take g4 coaches its after bowl season

I think they prefer Sun Belt coaches over G4 coaches/assistants.

You’re dumb. This makes no sense in response to what he said.

I just think Sun Belt coaches are in higher demand than G4 (AAC, MAC, CUSA, MW) coaches. Sorry if I you disagree.

Thanks for the chance to highlight ANOTHER way the AAC is different from the G4s.

Check out coaches' salaries: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

The LOWEST listed AAC coach is $1.4M - twice what App was paying Drink. Holgs' $4M was well publicized but Fickell, Niumat, Heupel are all making over $2M.

AAC coaches in fact DO NOT just jump at the first aitonomy conference job that shows interest. PJ Fleck took the Minnesota job, Niumat didnt even take their calls. Norvell took FSU but not other earlier approaches.

It's another example that most statements that begin "its the same for all G5 schools/conferences..." are inaccurate, and are things that ARE common to CUSA, MAC, mwc, and SunBelt but not true for the AAC.

I have a friend at ESPN, they are actually considering rebranding P5 to P6 because of the AAC this year. One of the items being considered for the 2020 season FWIW.

(12-28-2019 03:39 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 03:05 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:48 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:30 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:27 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  I think they prefer Sun Belt coaches over G4 coaches/assistants.

You’re dumb. This makes no sense in response to what he said.

I just think Sun Belt coaches are in higher demand than G4 (AAC, MAC, CUSA, MW) coaches. Sorry if I you disagree.

Thanks for the chance to highlight ANOTHER way the AAC is different from the G4s.

Check out coaches' salaries: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

The LOWEST listed AAC coach is $1.4M - twice what App was paying Drink. Holgs' $4M was well publicized but Fickell, Niumat, Heupel are all making over $2M.

AAC coaches in fact DO NOT just jump at the first aitonomy conference job that shows interest. PJ Fleck took the Minnesota job, Niumat didnt even take their calls. Norvell took FSU but not other earlier approaches.

It's another example that most statements that begin "its the same for all G5 schools/conferences..." are inaccurate, and are things that ARE common to CUSA, MAC, mwc, and SunBelt but not true for the AAC.

I have a friend at ESPN, they are actually considering rebranding P5 to P6 because of the AAC this year. One of the items being considered for the 2020 season FWIW.

Based on your behavior on this message board, I doubt you have too many friends

(12-28-2019 01:52 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:49 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Does anyone have the AACs bowl record over last couple years? Total dominance I'm guessing.

Yeah i just did. I was thinking the AAC would be dominant. But it turns out they are 4-12 all time vs the G4 in bowls.

2019 Boca Raton: FAU 52-28 SMU
2019 Gasparilla: UCF 48-25 Marshall
2018 Cure: Tulane 41-24 Lousiana
2018 Gasparilla: Marshall 38-20 South Fl
2017 Frisco: Lousiana Tech 51-10 SMU
2017 Gasparilla: Temple 28-3 FIU
2017 Hawaii: Fresno St 33-27 Houston
2016 La Vegas: San Diego St 34-10 Houston
2016 Cure: Arkansas St 31-13 UCF
2016 Miami Beach: Tulsa 55-10 C. Mich
2016 Boca Raton: WKU 51-31 Memphis
2016 Armed Forces: LA Tech 48-45 Navy
2015 Miami Beach: WKU 45-35 So Fl
2015 Boca Raton: Toledo 32-17 Temple
2015 Hawaii: San Diego St 42-7 Cinci
2015 St. Pete: Marshall 16-10 UConn

I guess I was wrong. It's really weird, I dont think any other P6 has struggled with the G4 this much. There is time to turn things around but I'm wondering if at the next conference realignment the AAC might go back down to G5 status from the P6. I mean can you imagine if the Pac12 or ACC was 4-12 in bowl games against the G4? We arnt talking 8-8....that would cause some serious discussion about a P6 status. But 4-12. This is VERY concerning.

Wait, are you sure? NCAA football bowl games, right?

Yeah...pretty suprising

(12-28-2019 02:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:49 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Does anyone have the AACs bowl record over last couple years? Total dominance I'm guessing.

Yeah i just did. I was thinking the AAC would be dominant. But it turns out they are 4-12 all time vs the G4 in bowls.

2019 Boca Raton: FAU 52-28 SMU
2019 Gasparilla: UCF 48-25 Marshall
2018 Cure: Tulane 41-24 Lousiana
2018 Gasparilla: Marshall 38-20 South Fl
2017 Frisco: Lousiana Tech 51-10 SMU
2017 Gasparilla: Temple 28-3 FIU
2017 Hawaii: Fresno St 33-27 Houston
2016 La Vegas: San Diego St 34-10 Houston
2016 Cure: Arkansas St 31-13 UCF
2016 Miami Beach: Tulsa 55-10 C. Mich
2016 Boca Raton: WKU 51-31 Memphis
2016 Armed Forces: LA Tech 48-45 Navy
2015 Miami Beach: WKU 45-35 So Fl
2015 Boca Raton: Toledo 32-17 Temple
2015 Hawaii: San Diego St 42-7 Cinci
2015 St. Pete: Marshall 16-10 UConn

I guess I was wrong. It's really weird, I dont think any other P6 has struggled with the G4 this much. There is time to turn things around but I'm wondering if at the next conference realignment the AAC might go back down to G5 status from the P6. I mean can you imagine if the Pac12 or ACC was 4-12 in bowl games against the G4? We arnt talking 8-8....that would cause some serious discussion about a P6 status. But 4-12. This is VERY concerning.

lol congrats on your champions beating our 4th to 7th place teams?? i guess
the p5 doesnt give g4 bowls...so you put your champions against the aac mid tier teams

curious why the g4 champs dont just play each other
i think its really telling youd rather play mid tier aac, than each other..i think it was 2 or 3 seasons ago, we played every single g4 champ in a bowl..none were vs our top 3 teams...

a c-usa vs sunbelt champ bowl...or mac or whatever would be fun for yall

the big 10 has a horrific historic bowl game record, and that is becuase they are the AAC of the p5 in respect to bowls...no one cares..not even adding we lose 3/4 coaches on average before bowl season...

also no one here is impressed with app state, sho to the sunbelt forum

Well that's the thing. Sun Belt and MAC champions dont have bowl tie ins with AAC teams. CUSA does at times. Its seldom the champions. Its normally 2nd-7th place G4 teams. I wasn't bragging. I'm an App State fan, I dont care about the sun belt. I know what it is. Our goal is to be bigger than our league. I just was suprised. I dont think this would be the case against the other P6 leagues.

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Like to see a number of how many AAC teams played in bowl games with their regular season team and coaching staff intact. Has to be very low.

That said, I doubt even the ones with their teams intact could take down the true storied programs in a bowl game like UAB for example.

Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

No need to talk down about App. I just posted facts that suprised me. I know the AAC is better. It's no defense of your league to pretend bowls dont matter(imagine if this was the case. The regular season ends and nothing matters). If you lose all the time it means you dont have great programs. Yes App does treat bowl games like super bowls. And conference championship games. And regular season games. We fight hard to win every game and feel it inexcusable to lose. That's why we have 13 double digit win seasons, 13 conference titles, 3 fcs national titles (best we could do where we were) a top 5 AP win, and a 5-0 bowl record. Would you rather your team care too much or is it cooler to not care then make an excuse when you lose? Not trying to be a jerk but I dont understand all this league pride. Alabama doesnt brag about the SEC, USC doesnt brag about the PAC12, North Dakota State doesnt brag about wherever they are. You should want to be your own brand and when you grow big enough as a program (TCU, Utah, Boise State one day soon) you will advance to the next level.

But I like the AAC. It's a good league, good money flow. Probably needs to focus on its programs attendance. But UCF especially is impressive to me and I think they have the highest ceiling in the G5.

(12-28-2019 04:38 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

No need to talk down about App. I just posted facts that suprised me. I know the AAC is better. It's no defense of your league to pretend bowls dont matter(imagine if this was the case. The regular season ends and nothing matters). If you lose all the time it means you dont have great programs. Yes App does treat bowl games like super bowls. And conference championship games. And regular season games. We fight hard to win every game and feel it inexcusable to lose. That's why we have 13 double digit win seasons, 13 conference titles, 3 fcs national titles (best we could do where we were) a top 5 AP win, and a 5-0 bowl record. Would you rather your team care too much or is it cooler to not care then make an excuse when you lose? Not trying to be a jerk but I dont understand all this league pride. Alabama doesnt brag about the SEC, USC doesnt brag about the PAC12, North Dakota State doesnt brag about wherever they are. You should want to be your own brand and when you grow big enough as a program (TCU, Utah, Boise State one day soon) you will advance to the next level.

But I like the AAC. It's a good league, good money flow. Probably needs to focus on its programs attendance. But UCF especially is impressive to me and I think they have the highest ceiling in the G5.

App will be an also ran Sun Belt team next year or the year after. You guys sure are a cocky bunch Especially given sports are cyclical. But you are just like the other one hit wonders that have been tslking trash on this board for the past 6 years. Next year it will be Ga Southern fans or some other one year wonder telling us that they are superior to AAC blah blah blah. By the way, If Bowl games matter the AAc would not have the contract it does. Please do however continue to make yourselfook foolish on this board. You will not be the last to do so.

(12-28-2019 04:48 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 04:38 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

No need to talk down about App. I just posted facts that suprised me. I know the AAC is better. It's no defense of your league to pretend bowls dont matter(imagine if this was the case. The regular season ends and nothing matters). If you lose all the time it means you dont have great programs. Yes App does treat bowl games like super bowls. And conference championship games. And regular season games. We fight hard to win every game and feel it inexcusable to lose. That's why we have 13 double digit win seasons, 13 conference titles, 3 fcs national titles (best we could do where we were) a top 5 AP win, and a 5-0 bowl record. Would you rather your team care too much or is it cooler to not care then make an excuse when you lose? Not trying to be a jerk but I dont understand all this league pride. Alabama doesnt brag about the SEC, USC doesnt brag about the PAC12, North Dakota State doesnt brag about wherever they are. You should want to be your own brand and when you grow big enough as a program (TCU, Utah, Boise State one day soon) you will advance to the next level.

But I like the AAC. It's a good league, good money flow. Probably needs to focus on its programs attendance. But UCF especially is impressive to me and I think they have the highest ceiling in the G5.

App will be an also ran Sun Belt team next year or the year after. You guys sure are a cocky bunch Especially given sports are cyclical. But you are just like the other one hit wonders that have been tslking trash on this board for the past 6 years. Next year it will be Ga Southern fans or some other one year wonder telling us that they are superior to AAC blah blah blah. By the way, If Bowl games matter the AAc would not have the contract it does. Please do however continue to make yourselfook foolish on this board. You will not be the last to do so.

An AAC fan with an inflated ego telling another fan that they have an ego is like the pot calling the kettle black.

(12-28-2019 04:29 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:49 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Does anyone have the AACs bowl record over last couple years? Total dominance I'm guessing.

Yeah i just did. I was thinking the AAC would be dominant. But it turns out they are 4-12 all time vs the G4 in bowls.

2019 Boca Raton: FAU 52-28 SMU
2019 Gasparilla: UCF 48-25 Marshall
2018 Cure: Tulane 41-24 Lousiana
2018 Gasparilla: Marshall 38-20 South Fl
2017 Frisco: Lousiana Tech 51-10 SMU
2017 Gasparilla: Temple 28-3 FIU
2017 Hawaii: Fresno St 33-27 Houston
2016 La Vegas: San Diego St 34-10 Houston
2016 Cure: Arkansas St 31-13 UCF
2016 Miami Beach: Tulsa 55-10 C. Mich
2016 Boca Raton: WKU 51-31 Memphis
2016 Armed Forces: LA Tech 48-45 Navy
2015 Miami Beach: WKU 45-35 So Fl
2015 Boca Raton: Toledo 32-17 Temple
2015 Hawaii: San Diego St 42-7 Cinci
2015 St. Pete: Marshall 16-10 UConn

I guess I was wrong. It's really weird, I dont think any other P6 has struggled with the G4 this much. There is time to turn things around but I'm wondering if at the next conference realignment the AAC might go back down to G5 status from the P6. I mean can you imagine if the Pac12 or ACC was 4-12 in bowl games against the G4? We arnt talking 8-8....that would cause some serious discussion about a P6 status. But 4-12. This is VERY concerning.

lol congrats on your champions beating our 4th to 7th place teams?? i guess
the p5 doesnt give g4 bowls...so you put your champions against the aac mid tier teams

curious why the g4 champs dont just play each other
i think its really telling youd rather play mid tier aac, than each other..i think it was 2 or 3 seasons ago, we played every single g4 champ in a bowl..none were vs our top 3 teams...

a c-usa vs sunbelt champ bowl...or mac or whatever would be fun for yall

the big 10 has a horrific historic bowl game record, and that is becuase they are the AAC of the p5 in respect to bowls...no one cares..not even adding we lose 3/4 coaches on average before bowl season...

also no one here is impressed with app state, sho to the sunbelt forum

Well that's the thing. Sun Belt and MAC champions dont have bowl tie ins with AAC teams. CUSA does at times. Its seldom the champions. Its normally 2nd-7th place G4 teams. I wasn't bragging. I'm an App State fan, I dont care about the sun belt. I know what it is. Our goal is to be bigger than our league. I just was suprised. I dont think this would be the case against the other P6 leagues.

from your list

sdsu x2 was the mwc champ
ark st was the sunbelt champ
wku x2 was the c-usa champ
Fau was the C-usa champ

other notables
--Fresno was #2 mwc, 10win and top 25....houston was a 7-5 team that year
--Toledo was the highest ranked MAC team despite not winning the conference (4-way divisional tie, lost on tie breakers, despite being 10 wins).. the bowl chose toledo over conference champs which caused controversy (champ got middling sunbelt)
-- Louisiana was the #2 sunbelt --Tulane was a 6-6 team making a bowl for the 1st time in a decade

i cant tell if you are troling, or being biased and not realizing it.. "Its seldom the champions" "Its normally 2nd-7th place G4 teams"
there is maybe 1 7th place which you add to the "normally", but half a dozen champs but you note is "seldom"

champs are the most common place of our g4 bowl games...
we get the c-usa champ almost every year...we get the mwc champ more often than not (it depends on if the pac 12 has enough to fill the las vegas bowl, which isn't yearly)..we rarely ever have enough for our sunbelt bowls, but every time we do its a top 2 sunbelt...we dont have an MAC ties (they barely have ties in general, so often have to rely on unfilled spots)

bigger point: anyone with any remote research can see it our middling teams stacked against the best of the g4... no need for you to manipulate the narrative

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Like to see a number of how many AAC teams played in bowl games with their regular season team and coaching staff intact. Has to be very low.

That said, I doubt even the ones with their teams intact could take down the true storied programs in a bowl game like UAB for example.

Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

And Sun Belt coaches have left for?

(12-28-2019 05:31 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:01 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Like to see a number of how many AAC teams played in bowl games with their regular season team and coaching staff intact. Has to be very low.

That said, I doubt even the ones with their teams intact could take down the true storied programs in a bowl game like UAB for example.

Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

And Sun Belt coaches have left for?

In back to back years App has lost coaches to Louisville and Missouri. Norvell leaving Memphis despite being the highest paid G5 coach proves that no coach at our level is safe from getting poached.

(12-28-2019 04:38 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:07 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:05 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Pretty common problem across G5, sadly. Your reward for over achieving is some dumpster fire P5 school poaching your coach.

Hmm yes the dumpster fire programs of Baylor, Texas, Georgia Tech, Florida State (2x), Nebraska, Virginia Tech. Notable bottom dweller programs of course.

Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

No need to talk down about App. I just posted facts that suprised me. I know the AAC is better. It's no defense of your league to pretend bowls dont matter(imagine if this was the case. The regular season ends and nothing matters). If you lose all the time it means you dont have great programs. Yes App does treat bowl games like super bowls. And conference championship games. And regular season games. We fight hard to win every game and feel it inexcusable to lose. That's why we have 13 double digit win seasons, 13 conference titles, 3 fcs national titles (best we could do where we were) a top 5 AP win, and a 5-0 bowl record. Would you rather your team care too much or is it cooler to not care then make an excuse when you lose? Not trying to be a jerk but I dont understand all this league pride. Alabama doesnt brag about the SEC, USC doesnt brag about the PAC12, North Dakota State doesnt brag about wherever they are. You should want to be your own brand and when you grow big enough as a program (TCU, Utah, Boise State one day soon) you will advance to the next level.

But I like the AAC. It's a good league, good money flow. Probably needs to focus on its programs attendance. But UCF especially is impressive to me and I think they have the highest ceiling in the G5.

Not to be pedantic, but happy to explain for you and the other G4 lurkers here.

The AAC Strategic Plan and the P6 campaign only came out AFTER the 2016 BigXII expansion sham.
Fans often use that particular process to say, "See none of you made the cut to be pulled up." Well, as the numbers get bigger and bigger, that's less a judgment on an individual program's inherent value and more a cold calculation than none not already making that much money would independently bring in that much money.

The logical conclusion should be that the 2026 timeframe should be thought of as RESTRUCTURE, not realignment.

So rather than being crabs in a bucket pulling each other down for the one or two golden tickets for realignment, "P6" is about the conference doing everything it can to posture to be on the inside looking out AS A CONFERENCE when the big CFP restructure comes.

It's not just touting on-field results (four out of the last five years closer to the #5 than to the #7-10) It's about delivering TV ratings that make us worth including (17-19 conference controlled games about 30-40% of PAC12 and BigXII viewers). It's saying that our budgets, attendance, facilities, commitment to full cost of attendance, etc have less in common with the other four conferences. Don't lump us on the outside reflexively just because of where we were in 2013 - look at where we are and where we're going.

If you start that perception campaign in 2025, you're too late.
In addition to proving it to the college football infrastructure and the media, can't let untruths live out there.
"Y'know, G5 programs never have a million viewers except bowls... " WRONG - numerous AAC-inventory and AAC vs AAC games over 3 million in the last five years.
"G5 programs attendance is all stuck below 25,000..." WRONG - the AAC averages 28,900 year after year and our top half are all over 30k and only 3 of 11 are below 25,000

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  It may be better to look at the AAC's bowl record vs the G4. Seeing how .500 and better AAC teams do vs .500 or better G4 teams would show which leagues have the best quality as opposed to games against bottom dwellers in 1 individual season. I'm sure the AAC crushes the G4 in bowls too. I'll do some research to see the AACs all time record vs the G4...

That is a slanted process since your approach is actually what you decry, which is bias. Your approach is biased because you eliminate the bottom teams to suit your narrative. The bottom line is that the American dominates the G4 in all games.

(12-28-2019 06:01 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  It may be better to look at the AAC's bowl record vs the G4. Seeing how .500 and better AAC teams do vs .500 or better G4 teams would show which leagues have the best quality as opposed to games against bottom dwellers in 1 individual season. I'm sure the AAC crushes the G4 in bowls too. I'll do some research to see the AACs all time record vs the G4...

That is a slanted process since your approach is actually what you decry, which is bias. Your approach is biased because you eliminate the bottom teams to suit your narrative. The bottom line is that the American dominates the G4 in all games.

"The American dominates the G4 in all games."

(12-28-2019 06:01 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  It may be better to look at the AAC's bowl record vs the G4. Seeing how .500 and better AAC teams do vs .500 or better G4 teams would show which leagues have the best quality as opposed to games against bottom dwellers in 1 individual season. I'm sure the AAC crushes the G4 in bowls too. I'll do some research to see the AACs all time record vs the G4...

That is a slanted process since your approach is actually what you decry, which is bias. Your approach is biased because you eliminate the bottom teams to suit your narrative. The bottom line is that the American dominates the G4 in all games.

And he KNOWS that AAC vs 6 win or better ("bowl eligible") G4 teams this year is 7-2.
I've told him in the thread on their board. I've told him here.
Now he's just trolling.

(12-28-2019 05:28 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 04:48 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 04:38 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:42 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:11 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Literally all the schools you listed have been considered dumpster fires or still are in the past 5 years.

My point was, it's a common G5 problem to have staffs poached around bowl time. It's not an exclusive problem of the AAC. But continue to be contrarian if it doesn't fit whatever narrative you were going for.

Bowls mean nothing. Aac still received the best contract with best tv coverage regardless of Bowl record. Guess this shows the Sports tv guys place more..emphasis on regular season wins. Teams like App view Bowl games as their Super Bowls.

No need to talk down about App. I just posted facts that suprised me. I know the AAC is better. It's no defense of your league to pretend bowls dont matter(imagine if this was the case. The regular season ends and nothing matters). If you lose all the time it means you dont have great programs. Yes App does treat bowl games like super bowls. And conference championship games. And regular season games. We fight hard to win every game and feel it inexcusable to lose. That's why we have 13 double digit win seasons, 13 conference titles, 3 fcs national titles (best we could do where we were) a top 5 AP win, and a 5-0 bowl record. Would you rather your team care too much or is it cooler to not care then make an excuse when you lose? Not trying to be a jerk but I dont understand all this league pride. Alabama doesnt brag about the SEC, USC doesnt brag about the PAC12, North Dakota State doesnt brag about wherever they are. You should want to be your own brand and when you grow big enough as a program (TCU, Utah, Boise State one day soon) you will advance to the next level.

But I like the AAC. It's a good league, good money flow. Probably needs to focus on its programs attendance. But UCF especially is impressive to me and I think they have the highest ceiling in the G5.

App will be an also ran Sun Belt team next year or the year after. You guys sure are a cocky bunch Especially given sports are cyclical. But you are just like the other one hit wonders that have been tslking trash on this board for the past 6 years. Next year it will be Ga Southern fans or some other one year wonder telling us that they are superior to AAC blah blah blah. By the way, If Bowl games matter the AAc would not have the contract it does. Please do however continue to make yourselfook foolish on this board. You will not be the last to do so.

An AAC fan with an inflated ego telling another fan that they have an ego is like the pot calling the kettle black.

And this is our board. Stick to your own if you want to talj trash. Its the epitome of narcissism to come to.this board and pump your own chest. No one from AAc is on Sun Belt board because we could care less about the schools in Sun Belt.