All the g4 fan whining just proves how P6 we are.

Every one of them would bend over to be P6

What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

(12-29-2019 02:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the g4 fan whining just proves how P6 we are.

Every one of them would bend over to be P6

I would bend over to have a commissioner like Aresco that actually fought to enhance the prestige of the Sun Belt. The last few years we have had a better on-field product than C-USA and MAC, yet we still have the worst bowl tie-ins and an image of being just slightly better than an FCS conference.

(12-29-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

(12-29-2019 02:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

I already know who you’ll be taking should the opportunity arise. In the meantime, hope you wiped off the P6 bunk after you woke up.

(12-29-2019 03:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

I already know who you’ll be taking should the opportunity arise. In the meantime, hope you wiped off the P6 bunk after you woke up.

The "Power 6" narrative will die once the Big 12 finally decides to raid The American.

(12-29-2019 03:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

I already know who you’ll be taking should the opportunity arise. In the meantime, hope you wiped off the P6 bunk after you woke up.

Hopefully ODU fans can do better than this guy
This is our board and our right to discuss what we please. Your last comment was completely out of line. The anger from some of these non AAC fans towards this league is quite fascinating . I honestly think you need help.

(12-29-2019 03:25 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

I already know who you’ll be taking should the opportunity arise. In the meantime, hope you wiped off the P6 bunk after you woke up.

Hopefully ODU fans can do better than this guy
This is our board and our right to discuss what we please. Your last comment was completely out of line. The anger from some of these non AAC fans towards this league is quite fascinating . I honestly think you need help.

Many of you from this board like to frequent the CUSA team board. And I think everyone involved enjoys the good-natured banter. If I offended you, then I apologize. Thought the P6 had thicker skin.

Never ceases to amaze me how there are so many out there that are happy with being considered an inferior product (G5/G4 Midmajor / Cinderella or whatever other name you want to use). The talking heads of ESPiN and other media outlets are the ones that created the BULLSH!T terms P5 and G5. Every Division I FBS school (NCAA) is playing at the highest level of college football. It's derogatory to call any of us Group of Five . It's an offensive term meant to minimize the accomplishments of ALL of our programs. The American is not P5 or G5 . We are DIVISION 1 FBS !! Period. If any of you including TROY"ILOVEBEINGLESS"88 want to be the Group of whatever , more "POWER" to you, but the AAC / AMERICAN has bigger aspirations. PERIOD !!!

(12-29-2019 02:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the g4 fan whining just proves how P6 we are.

Every one of them would bend over to be P6

CUSA/MAC/SB yes.
MWC seems uninterested for whatever reason.
PAC/WAC were always kinda indifferent to perception.
No clue why? Anyone?

(12-28-2019 09:53 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  There is currently a P5 and G5. Quit with the nonsense. The P6 narrative is a wet dream that didn’t happen. Wake up and clean yourself and then face reality. There is currently a P5 and G5.

As I have said repeatedly, the fact that you accept that division is your biggest failure. Why dont the G4 just separate then and hold your own NC game?

As a Cincinnati fan I'm not worried because I don't see a G4 team that can beat them as UC is returning to form. It is fun to watch the banter though.

Only metric that matters...

G5 in a NY6 Game:
4 AAC (2015 Peach, 2018 Peach, 2019 Fiesta, 2019 Cotton)
1 MAC (2017 Cotton)
1 MWC (2014 Peach)

(12-28-2019 05:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 04:29 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 02:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:49 PM)Neers12 Wrote:  

(12-28-2019 01:41 PM)falcoapp Wrote:  Does anyone have the AACs bowl record over last couple years? Total dominance I'm guessing.

Yeah i just did. I was thinking the AAC would be dominant. But it turns out they are 4-12 all time vs the G4 in bowls.

2019 Boca Raton: FAU 52-28 SMU
2019 Gasparilla: UCF 48-25 Marshall
2018 Cure: Tulane 41-24 Lousiana
2018 Gasparilla: Marshall 38-20 South Fl
2017 Frisco: Lousiana Tech 51-10 SMU
2017 Gasparilla: Temple 28-3 FIU
2017 Hawaii: Fresno St 33-27 Houston
2016 La Vegas: San Diego St 34-10 Houston
2016 Cure: Arkansas St 31-13 UCF
2016 Miami Beach: Tulsa 55-10 C. Mich
2016 Boca Raton: WKU 51-31 Memphis
2016 Armed Forces: LA Tech 48-45 Navy
2015 Miami Beach: WKU 45-35 So Fl
2015 Boca Raton: Toledo 32-17 Temple
2015 Hawaii: San Diego St 42-7 Cinci
2015 St. Pete: Marshall 16-10 UConn

I guess I was wrong. It's really weird, I dont think any other P6 has struggled with the G4 this much. There is time to turn things around but I'm wondering if at the next conference realignment the AAC might go back down to G5 status from the P6. I mean can you imagine if the Pac12 or ACC was 4-12 in bowl games against the G4? We arnt talking 8-8....that would cause some serious discussion about a P6 status. But 4-12. This is VERY concerning.

lol congrats on your champions beating our 4th to 7th place teams?? i guess
the p5 doesnt give g4 bowls...so you put your champions against the aac mid tier teams

curious why the g4 champs dont just play each other
i think its really telling youd rather play mid tier aac, than each other..i think it was 2 or 3 seasons ago, we played every single g4 champ in a bowl..none were vs our top 3 teams...

a c-usa vs sunbelt champ bowl...or mac or whatever would be fun for yall

the big 10 has a horrific historic bowl game record, and that is becuase they are the AAC of the p5 in respect to bowls...no one cares..not even adding we lose 3/4 coaches on average before bowl season...

also no one here is impressed with app state, sho to the sunbelt forum

Well that's the thing. Sun Belt and MAC champions dont have bowl tie ins with AAC teams. CUSA does at times. Its seldom the champions. Its normally 2nd-7th place G4 teams. I wasn't bragging. I'm an App State fan, I dont care about the sun belt. I know what it is. Our goal is to be bigger than our league. I just was suprised. I dont think this would be the case against the other P6 leagues.

from your list

sdsu x2 was the mwc champ
ark st was the sunbelt champ
wku x2 was the c-usa champ
Fau was the C-usa champ

other notables
--Fresno was #2 mwc, 10win and top 25....houston was a 7-5 team that year
--Toledo was the highest ranked MAC team despite not winning the conference (4-way divisional tie, lost on tie breakers, despite being 10 wins).. the bowl chose toledo over conference champs which caused controversy (champ got middling sunbelt)
-- Louisiana was the #2 sunbelt --Tulane was a 6-6 team making a bowl for the 1st time in a decade

i cant tell if you are troling, or being biased and not realizing it.. "Its seldom the champions" "Its normally 2nd-7th place G4 teams"
there is maybe 1 7th place which you add to the "normally", but half a dozen champs but you note is "seldom"

champs are the most common place of our g4 bowl games...
we get the c-usa champ almost every year...we get the mwc champ more often than not (it depends on if the pac 12 has enough to fill the las vegas bowl, which isn't yearly)..we rarely ever have enough for our sunbelt bowls, but every time we do its a top 2 sunbelt...we dont have an MAC ties (they barely have ties in general, so often have to rely on unfilled spots)

bigger point: anyone with any remote research can see it our middling teams stacked against the best of the g4... no need for you to manipulate the narrative

Your point is completely valid and it applies to the 4-0 record for the AAC over the SunBelt this year. The population is too small and the matchups are not representative of the conferences. This year's AAC wins over the Belt include SMU by 7 over Arkansas State. That is probably the most representative of the four games in terms of where the teams finished respectively. The other three games consist of your conference champ Memphis beating USA (doormat of the SBC East) and ULM (Middle tier Belt team) and SMU beating Texas State (the other doormat from the SBC West).

The Bowl matchups represent contracts negotiated years in advance. No doubt that the AAC has better bowl ties than the SBC. The SBC generally gets to play (and beat) the MAC champion but CUSA has dodged us twice in a row now.

Any reasonable analysis would conclude that the AAC (as a conference) is stronger than the SBC, CUSA, MWC or MAC. The top of the Belt would compete with anyone in the AAC this year though.

(12-29-2019 02:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the g4 fan whining just proves how P6 we are.

Every one of them would bend over to be P6

You put that too nicely.

(12-29-2019 03:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:25 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  What the AAC does have are strong P5 candidates for the next invitation: Memphis, Houston, and Cincy. Definitely programs worthy of playing in a P5 conference.

P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

I already know who you’ll be taking should the opportunity arise. In the meantime, hope you wiped off the P6 bunk after you woke up.

Hopefully ODU fans can do better than this guy
This is our board and our right to discuss what we please. Your last comment was completely out of line. The anger from some of these non AAC fans towards this league is quite fascinating . I honestly think you need help.

Many of you from this board like to frequent the CUSA team board. And I think everyone involved enjoys the good-natured banter. If I offended you, then I apologize. Thought the P6 had thicker skin.

No, thought the G4 had thicker skin, knowing the situation the schools were in.

(12-29-2019 11:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:33 PM)shere khan Wrote:  All the g4 fan whining just proves how P6 we are.

Every one of them would bend over to be P6

CUSA/MAC/SB yes.
MWC seems uninterested for whatever reason.
PAC/WAC were always kinda indifferent to perception.
No clue why? Anyone?

After this bowl season, ......

(01-04-2020 12:59 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:45 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:25 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 03:07 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(12-29-2019 02:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  P6. Now go back to the g4 board and discuss which school you will be losing should we decide to take one

I already know who you’ll be taking should the opportunity arise. In the meantime, hope you wiped off the P6 bunk after you woke up.

Hopefully ODU fans can do better than this guy
This is our board and our right to discuss what we please. Your last comment was completely out of line. The anger from some of these non AAC fans towards this league is quite fascinating . I honestly think you need help.

Many of you from this board like to frequent the CUSA team board. And I think everyone involved enjoys the good-natured banter. If I offended you, then I apologize. Thought the P6 had thicker skin.

No, thought the G4 had thicker skin, knowing the situation the schools were in.

Read the exchange above and then try again. Although there are several posters on this board (including Mods) who have very thick skin and enjoy a good-natured exchange/discussion. With that said, congrats on your bowl season! Memphis has proven they’re ready for the P5 invite now that the football program is on the same level with basketball.

App State beats 6-2 CUSA team by 14

6-6 (3-5) Tulane beats 5-3 CUSA team by 17.

Driving in different streets folks.

It's not that bowls mean NOTHING.
It's that it is silly to try to make them mean MORE than the overall record.
1. They're just a small sample. AAC played 15 regular season games vs G4 teams, and 3 bowls. Statistically speaking, looking at the sample of n=3 is way less good than looking at n=15 or n=18.
2. Also, if you were going to choose ONE subset to look at, bowls are the worse choice because there is so much variability. By definition they are an exhibition game. It's only been a few years that bowl game stats have been counted in a player's year or career stats. Coaching staffs may be gone. Potential NFL draftees may or may not sit out. Some coaches have just used the extra 15 practices to give more reps to the freshmen / sophomores who will be on next year's team but haven't gotten the time. Other coaches will reward seniors with more bowl playing time than they had in-season. For some coaches it's a business trip and for some they are rewarding players, coaching staff, and families with funtime in a vacation destination city. They're also just different from even a normal away game - both teams are there twice as long as a normal away game and you're doing hospital visits and trips to the zoo and laser tag and multiple press availabilities over two-three days instead of in one chunk...it's really the LEAST valid data for comparing conferences over time, not the best.

3. The G4 toddlers who want their bowl record binky have ONE valid point - at least bowl teams have a .500 record - there is some quality cut. Okay, fine. Show me season-long records vs bowl eligible opponents, then, not JUST bowls.

AAC vs G4, 2019: 16-2
AAC vs bowl-eligiible G4, 2019: 8-2
AAC vs G4 in bowl games, 2019: 2-1

Every year of the last five that the third category maybe might have looked worse...the first two looked pretty similar.