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(01-03-2020 09:34 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Everybody speculating, however VCU had 6 yrs to make move & hasn't called yet.
That's the best you got, Pony.
Juan, your out of your mind. Maybe ECU & Memphis BB.
There will be interest in Conn WBB nationwide

TFF, your statement about VCU is inaccurate and/or misleading.

VCU did make a move - - to the Atlantic 10 in 2012 (8 years ago).

What kind of additional upward move could VCU make over the last "6 yrs," after already making one major move? The Big East, which is mostly comprised of private schools, considered VCU and Dayton, but chose teams like Butler instead.

The AAC was not open to adding teams until UConn's departure announcement in mid-2019.

From the few signals we've gotten from VCU fans this week, it appears possible that - if the financial terms are generous (as they were for Wichita State) - VCU might very well be interested in considering the AAC.
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@7.5 mil if the split is 75/25 for football that's $1.875 per team /year for basketball. I think...

VCU might be a litlle bit more than just interested in joining the AAC.
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(01-03-2020 09:34 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Everybody speculating, however VCU had 6 yrs to make move & hasn't called yet.
That's the best you got, Pony.
Juan, your out of your mind. Maybe ECU & Memphis BB.
There will be interest in Conn WBB nationwide

The national following is a bit of a stretch. Woman's b-ball isn't that widely watched. I know UConn draws good numbers but national is a reach at best. Certainly on SNY they probably do ok but I know very few people that have an interest in watching.
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Come on man, who follows WCBB
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(01-03-2020 02:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Come on man, who follows WCBB

A handful of people is my guess but maybe I am wrong. Certainly in UConn's local area there is interest but beyond that I doubt it.
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I'm surprised XCONN is leaving behind all those WCBB credits....
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(01-03-2020 02:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Come on man, who follows WCBB

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(01-03-2020 04:54 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 02:24 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Come on man, who follows WCBB

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Nailed it 04-cheers
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(12-28-2019 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-28-2019 12:26 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-27-2019 10:04 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  .
There is no drop dead date or period of time when the AAC knocks off the “aloof act” and takes Blinn Jr College simply because they are kinda in the footprint and are willing to say “yes”.

The league already has a list. It is a very short list of teams that actually add value and help support the leagues P6 this initiative. We all know who those 3 or 4 teams are. If we can’t swing a deal to get one of those teams—then we will either continue on with a divisionless CCG (if a rule change happens) or we go temporarily to uneven divisions. Eventually a team that adds value and is interested will come along.

Bottom line—-there is no deadline.

Agree. Stay at 11.

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Not entirely sure what you mean by "there is no deadline," given that there is certainly a "waiver deadline," at the end of the two-year waiver (conclusion of the 2021 FB season).

I gather that your point is that Commissioner Aresco has stated that the AAC could go on indefinitely with only 11 teams, after the 2 year waiver expires.

In other words, while there is a two-year waiver deadline, the conference doesn't have to respond by adding a 12th team, and thus doesn't have a deadline for adding a 12th team.

We don't disagree on that point. The conference could go on for years without adding a 12th team. All they'd have to do to have a sanctioned CCG is to move forward with an unbalanced East-West divisional arrangement.

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However, many readers, including 65% of those who responded to a poll on the topic do consider the addition of a 12th team by 2022 to be a better option than going forward with 11 teams, for a lot of good reasons including balanced 6 team divisions, as well as adding viewership and recruiting regions, etc.

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While it's true that the AAC could wait for years to find a school that meets the stated criteria (national brand recognition, etc.), it may turn out that the choices won't be any better 5 years from now than they are today. In that case, it might be better to select the best available candidate in 2 years and help them get up to speed - - if there is one that's acceptable to the member schools - - in the hope that it will become a highly valued member a year or two after joining the conference.

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I also agree with the generally idea that there are only a relatively few schools that would come closest to meeting the conference's criteria.

But the word "few" is defined slightly differently by different people, and it's not entirely clear that Aresco's original description - suggesting that there were only a very few (BYU, Boise, & Army) - continues to apply now as it appeared to when he first spoke those words (last summer).

While the conference had an initial list (BYU, Army, Boise) immediately after UConn's departure was announced, the list may well have been updated since then.

No one seems to be sure, but many around here consider 1, 2, or all 3 of Army, BYU, and Boise to have more or less removed themselves from the AAC short list. Army seems extremely reluctant to join any conference after spending years in the basement of the C-USA. Boise & BYU have sweetheart deals with broadcasters and have little to gain from joining a(nother) P5 conference.

Many or most observers do consider Air Force, San Diego State, and Colorado State as at least potential AAC FB only members. All three may be more likely than BYU, Boise, and Army to have any potential interest in the AAC. The list may end there, but it is possible that the AAC would give serious consideration to a couple of others.

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So no, the AAC won't add a Blinn Jr. College or an FCS, and perhaps not any non-MWC FB school.

However, if AFA, SDSU, or CSU FB should express any interest in joining the AAC, Aresco could solve a number of problems all at the same time by inviting one of these schools to join as a FB only member.

-Balanced 6-6 divisions for optimal CCG

-Addition of a viewership/recruiting region

-Improved stature/recognition of a 12 (vs. 11) team conference

-Conference viability protection against future raid from P5s

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One last point:

Aresco's point about national recognition or "brand" as a major requirement could possibly be satisfied by adding an AAU school with strong academic reputation. While most do not consider this likely, there are at least two AAU/R1 schools (SUNY-UB and Rice U.) that meet this criterion, one of which is a former member of a power conference (Rice U., a former member of the regionally dominant Southwest Conference, along with Houston and SMU).

Adding such a "brainiac" school would be comparable to adding a Northwestern, a Vanderbilt, a Duke (when Duke wasn't a FB power), or a UC/Berkeley. The only P5 conference that doesn't have such a FB school is the Big 12, with the possible exception of Kansas. All of these schools are strong national brands despite a lack of FB success, and Rice in particular would fit that bill, having filled that very role when it was in the once-dominant SWC.

Some have asked whether the top and middle tier AAC teams were better off having a UConn to help them build favorable W-L records, just as the Ohio States and Michigans benefit from having a Northwestern Rutgers on the schedule to trounce each season and they do have a point.

Again---the presidents arent adding a warm body also ran member just to reach a round number. That is a very bad permanent move that saddles the league with an additional bottom tier member that drags the league downward. They arent going to do that just to solve a temporary short term scheduling inconvenience. Its a bad move---and the presidents know it is. Furthermore---I suspect there is about a 99.9% chance that the rule change is going to pass---so your deadline concern (which isn't really a deadline at all since uneven divisions are our safety net option) becomes moot if the rule change passes.
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The AAC already has an academic private school in Tulane. If you can't get past us, then it's not the conference's fault - it's your own.
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(12-28-2019 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  --the presidents arent adding a warm body also ran member just to reach a round number. That (...would saddle...) the league with an additional bottom tier member that drags the league downward...

Furthermore---I suspect there is about a 99.9% chance that the rule change is going to pass---so your deadline concern (which isn't really a deadline at all since uneven divisions are our safety net option) becomes moot if the rule change passes.

Exactly - they aren't going to add a "bottom tier member."

They will add - when the time comes - upper tier member(s), such as VCU (BB) and AF or SDSU FB.

We're starting to get some indications that VCU might be open to (at least considering) the idea of replacing UConn BB/olympic sports. Ask any Temple BB fan (formerly in the A-10), and they will tell you that it would be a complete no-brainer for VCU or any other A-10 school to switch to the AAC.

A team like VCU would definitely strengthen AAC basketball's ranking, viewership, and national recognition, and would make it more likely that the AAC would send 4+ teams to the NCAA tournament each year, going forward.

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Since none of us is privy to the AAC's discussions with potential FB members, it's too soon to say whether a 12th member might be added before the two-year waiver expires.

However, even if a CCG rule change is granted, the AAC and its main broadcasting partner will probably seek to add a 12th member, to compensate for the loss of the UConn viewership region, and to avoid diminishing the national profile of the American, and the disadvantages of having less than 12 teams.

The incentive to add a 12th FB school will become greater and greater as the year 2026 approaches, since the possibility that one of the P5 conferences may raid two AAC teams will begin to loom larger and larger on the horizon within the next 2-3 years. The best way to prepare for this exigency is by replacing UConn FB and BB.

The probability of adding one of the successful MWC FB schools within the next 5-6 years may not be 99%, but it may well be in the 75% range...good betting odds.
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GSU.
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(01-04-2020 12:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  GSU.


Grand Canyon State is perfect
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(01-04-2020 12:47 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  GSU.


Grand Canyon State is perfect

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Still the fourth recruited state for football is all I am saying. Where was UCF before the AAC.
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(01-04-2020 01:03 AM)sierrajip Wrote:  Still the fourth recruited state for football is all I am saying. Where was UCF before the AAC.

Winning CUSA?
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(01-03-2020 10:01 AM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  @7.5 mil if the split is 75/25 for football that's $1.875 per team /year for basketball. I think...

VCU might be a litlle bit more than just interested in joining the AAC.

I agree.

Given that VCU's situation is highly similar to that of Temple in 2012, when the Owls were in the Atlantic 10, the long-time Temple fans on this message board probably understand the pros (many) and cons (few, if any) of joining the AAC as well as as any other contingent of CBB fans.

As you and I and the rest of us all know, the prospect of joining the AAC was a slam-dunk no-brainer for former Atlantic-10 Temple and would probably be just as much of a no-brainer for current Atlantic-10 VCU.

Once anyone in VCU's higher-level administration (President, AD, VPs, Trustees) gets an inkling about the fact that they are at the top or among the top 2-3 BB/olympic sports candidates for membership in the AAC, it would be astonishing if they don't pick up the phone and give Aresco a call.
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(01-04-2020 12:39 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(12-28-2019 12:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  --the presidents arent adding a warm body also ran member just to reach a round number. That (...would saddle...) the league with an additional bottom tier member that drags the league downward...

Furthermore---I suspect there is about a 99.9% chance that the rule change is going to pass---so your deadline concern (which isn't really a deadline at all since uneven divisions are our safety net option) becomes moot if the rule change passes.

Exactly - they aren't going to add a "bottom tier member."

They will add - when the time comes - upper tier member(s), such as VCU (BB) and AF or SDSU FB.

We're starting to get some indications that VCU might be open to (at least considering) the idea of replacing UConn BB/olympic sports. Ask any Temple BB fan (formerly in the A-10), and they will tell you that it would be a complete no-brainer for VCU or any other A-10 school to switch to the AAC.

A team like VCU would definitely strengthen AAC basketball's ranking, viewership, and national recognition, and would make it more likely that the AAC would send 4+ teams to the NCAA tournament each year, going forward.

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Since none of us is privy to the AAC's discussions with potential FB members, it's too soon to say whether a 12th member might be added before the two-year waiver expires.

However, even if a CCG rule change is granted, the AAC and its main broadcasting partner will probably seek to add a 12th member, to compensate for the loss of the UConn viewership region, and to avoid diminishing the national profile of the American, and the disadvantages of having less than 12 teams.

The incentive to add a 12th FB school will become greater and greater as the year 2026 approaches, since the possibility that one of the P5 conferences may raid two AAC teams will begin to loom larger and larger on the horizon within the next 2-3 years. The best way to prepare for this exigency is by replacing UConn FB and BB.

The probability of adding one of the successful MWC FB schools within the next 5-6 years may not be 99%, but it may well be in the 75% range...good betting odds.

I am cool with VCU for hoops/olympic sports. Richmond is a 1.5 hour drive from my house and a lot of my kid's friend's attend VCU. So a bonus addition as far as I am concerned for any game versus ECU. FYI, I have a son at Virginia Tech and daughter at ECU.
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(01-03-2020 05:33 PM)PT_american Wrote:  
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Nailed it 04-cheers

But I think his point was that UConn controls all 5 of those ESPN+ subscribers. In a vacuum, they were carrying the media deal.
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We're already spread out as it is might as well go hard after Gonzaga, flash ($$$) them a decent distribution revenue amount and call it a day.
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