(11-10-2019 10:04 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Lance Thomas

Arbitrary rulings.

How about James tells them he will not discuss it - but he tells them he wants the Lance Thomas no comment option, and not the Derrick Rose no comment option.

(11-11-2019 08:37 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  Oddly enough ai think this helps Penny and our program, especially with regards to recruiting.

Everybody now knows if they didn't Penny is a players coach and is going to stand up for his kids. Rudd too.

Penny may be quiet but...silent waters run deep.

I think we are seeing a evolution in college basketball and Penny is on the front lines.

I agree that it shows the university and Penny are united in supporting players. But it does give other coaches the ability to say we might be on probation.

(11-11-2019 08:08 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

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(11-11-2019 05:43 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:42 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 04:33 PM)bariggins98 Wrote:  GP has stated the facts. By the NCAA definition, Penny was a booster.

GP high-fived Pat Forde when Chalmers hit his shot. Parrish can take a hike.

WHAT??

Several people witnessed it. A couple of years ago, people on MTO challenged Easterwood to ask him about it in his show and he did. Parrish laughed and didn’t deny it. He said “if I did” he was drunk and doesn’t really remember.

Oh, and he also tried to mitigate it by saying it would have been more out of his disdain for Cal. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.

He comes on the show yesterday saying he's insulted that people believe he takes joy in Memphis's pain. He tells us how he grew up a fan, and is an alumnus.

He left off the joy he took over our pain in the 2008 championship.

(11-10-2019 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't have an issue with Parrish. But nowhere in that article does he state that there could be a compromise of paying back the money, and sitting a few games, and we all move on from there, just like Josh Selby at Kansas, and any number of other cases. Which is likely, IMO.

Parrish makes it sound like Memphis is guilty and Wiseman is gone, and should be.

Not to mention, there are a couple of strong arguments where Wiseman and Ballin could win, straight up. Been posted all over the place. GP doesn't seem to acknowledge that side of it.

Yeah, that's one of my issues with him on this issue.

He said yesterday that he won't waste time debating that Penny was a booster or that it was an impermissible benefit, because those are obvious. And that you would have to be stoopid to think otherwise. He totally leaves out the eligible, maybe eligible, not eligible communication from the NCAA. He leaves out the timeline in which the NCAA caused JW irreparable harm. He mentions other cases at Kansas and Kentucky where players were ineligible - but leaves off UNC and Duke, who got away with things.

It's like he only wants to report the downside. Which is sort of the definition of trolling.

GP on 10/29 podcast. "Let me be clear. There is nobody - NOBODY - who has told me James Wiseman has eligibility issues."
GP on 11/8 podcast. "I knew that questions were being asked."

(11-12-2019 02:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:08 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 06:47 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:43 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:42 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  GP high-fived Pat Forde when Chalmers hit his shot. Parrish can take a hike.

WHAT??

Several people witnessed it. A couple of years ago, people on MTO challenged Easterwood to ask him about it in his show and he did. Parrish laughed and didn’t deny it. He said “if I did” he was drunk and doesn’t really remember.

Oh, and he also tried to mitigate it by saying it would have been more out of his disdain for Cal. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.

He comes on the show yesterday saying he's insulted that people believe he takes joy in Memphis's pain. He tells us how he grew up a fan, and is an alumnus.

He left off the joy he took over our pain in the 2008 championship.

He can say what he wants, but anyone who would celebrate in that moment is not a fan.

(11-12-2019 02:23 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  GP on 10/29 podcast. "Let me be clear. There is nobody - NOBODY - who has told me James Wiseman has eligibility issues."
GP on 11/8 podcast. "I knew that questions were being asked."

GP is all about GP. He’s in this to glorify himself and that’s why during this issue I refuse to listen to him because he doesn’t add any more value to it other than to promote himself

(11-10-2019 02:55 PM)halo27legend Wrote:  Gary got a tip about the eligibility, mentioned it, took heat, and when it went public he made the entire thing about himself and how right he was. A total douchbag.

Halo27legend?

Wow.

Blast from the past.

I remember you from CBS message boards.

(11-11-2019 08:30 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Also that he called AAA to change his flat tire



Yeah he did

That's probably not something that any self respecting male should admit to. I mean, most 16 yr old guys know how to do that when they start driving. Heck, I knew how to check and change the oil, oil filter, air filter, change a battery, and replace spark plugs when I was 16-17 years old.

(11-12-2019 03:55 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:30 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  Also that he called AAA to change his flat tire



Yeah he did

That's probably not something that any self respecting male should admit to. I mean, most 16 yr old guys know how to do that when they start driving. Heck, I knew how to check and change the oil, oil filter, air filter, change a battery, and replace spark plugs when I was 16-17 years old.

But, but, Gary drives a Mercedes. Don't you know it ain't cool to be a hip hop fan and have to change your own tire?

Edit: In fact he probably doesn't even have a valid drivers license.

(11-12-2019 02:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:08 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 06:47 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:43 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:42 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  GP high-fived Pat Forde when Chalmers hit his shot. Parrish can take a hike.

WHAT??

Several people witnessed it. A couple of years ago, people on MTO challenged Easterwood to ask him about it in his show and he did. Parrish laughed and didn’t deny it. He said “if I did” he was drunk and doesn’t really remember.

Oh, and he also tried to mitigate it by saying it would have been more out of his disdain for Cal. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.

He comes on the show yesterday saying he's insulted that people believe he takes joy in Memphis's pain. He tells us how he grew up a fan, and is an alumnus.

He left off the joy he took over our pain in the 2008 championship.

It's all an act on his part. This is how he makes things about himself. He starts playing the victim card all the while preaching to you how right he is about everything. He then goes on some diatribe as to how he himself ( I, Me, I, Me) helps promote Memphis more than anyone else. Jump off a bridge you lunatic. Go move to California with that ego bro.

(11-12-2019 02:30 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:08 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 06:47 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:43 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  WHAT??

Several people witnessed it. A couple of years ago, people on MTO challenged Easterwood to ask him about it in his show and he did. Parrish laughed and didn’t deny it. He said “if I did” he was drunk and doesn’t really remember.

Oh, and he also tried to mitigate it by saying it would have been more out of his disdain for Cal. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.

He comes on the show yesterday saying he's insulted that people believe he takes joy in Memphis's pain. He tells us how he grew up a fan, and is an alumnus.

He left off the joy he took over our pain in the 2008 championship.

He can say what he wants, but anyone who would celebrate in that moment is not a fan.

Nope. I don't care what your feelings about the coach are. You root for your TEAM no matter what.

I'm sure Parrish would revel in one of his sons losing a championship game (if they played a sport) if the coach had refused some special access he felt entitled too. Like others have said, GP is all about GP.

(11-13-2019 03:47 AM)halo27legend Wrote:  

(11-12-2019 02:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:08 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 06:47 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 05:43 PM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  WHAT??

Several people witnessed it. A couple of years ago, people on MTO challenged Easterwood to ask him about it in his show and he did. Parrish laughed and didn’t deny it. He said “if I did” he was drunk and doesn’t really remember.

Oh, and he also tried to mitigate it by saying it would have been more out of his disdain for Cal. Sorry, doesn’t work that way.

He comes on the show yesterday saying he's insulted that people believe he takes joy in Memphis's pain. He tells us how he grew up a fan, and is an alumnus.

He left off the joy he took over our pain in the 2008 championship.

It's all an act on his part. This is how he makes things about himself. He starts playing the victim card all the while preaching to you how right he is about everything. He then goes on some diatribe as to how he himself ( I, Me, I, Me) helps promote Memphis more than anyone else. Jump off a bridge you lunatic. Go move to California with that ego bro.

Or New York. He's been practicing the accent for the past couple of years so he would fit in perfectly. He's ashamed to sound like he's from the South, so good riddance. We could probably pitch in and raise $11,500 to donate to him for relocation expenses.

(11-12-2019 02:08 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 08:16 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 03:33 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(11-11-2019 09:57 AM)mthom Wrote:  GP ended up being right on Wiseman's eligibility but it was purely luck. Based on the timeline of events, when GP was insinuating that Wiseman might have eligibility issues, Memphis hadn't received any notification from the NCAA since May when they said he was eligible initially. Wiseman sat in the Bahamas and in the exhibition games due to injury, not due to NCAA issues. But since GP got lucky, he can continue his smartest guy in the room routine.

Keep in mind that the university itself admitted that there was a "deeper" investigation into this issue AFTER the original May eligibility ruling. My guess as to what happened is that Penny revealed the 2017 payment to the NCAA prior to the May ruling but might have withheld it from the university administration? Then Wiseman was cleared to play. Shortly thereafter (probably due to a whistleblower somewhere), the NCAA came back with a second statement saying he was cleared in error but they'd honor the original decision. It was at that point the university may have learned of the payment from what it sounds like to me from their public statement. That's when the university (with help from the NCAA) started it's "deeper" investigation according to that public statement. It's explains why Penny might not have played Wiseman in the Bahamas or the exhibition games. And it explains how GP might have got tipped off weeks ahead of time. Penny probably expected there might be another ruling coming down and was probably relieved to not hear anything before the first game (thus clearing Wiseman to play), only to be let down to see the letter in the mailbox from the NCAA waiting for him after the game. That's when Penny told Wiseman he was going to sit unless he got an attorney. Wouldn't surprise me if Penny had told Wiseman well before the Bahama's trip that this might happen and to start looking for one.

Dude, do you write for Ancient Aliens?

This is not "Ancient Aliens". If you read what the university and Wiseman's lawyer has said publicly, you get a timeline as I laid out above. Also what concerns me is that the lawyer is very vague about that second "Notice of Inquiry". He makes sure to mention dates on the other letters, but does not give a date for that one. Nor does he specifically mention the wording of it, which begs the question of how strong the promise was in this letter to maintain Wiseman's eligibility. It doesn't even look like the letter itself was presented in court other than the vague mention in the court document. And this is incredible being that this is probably the strongest part of our case.

Here's the pertinent part of the University's statement:

Initially, after a joint standard eligibility review by the University and the NCAA, as is common for all high-profile incoming student-athletes, James was declared eligible by the NCAA in May 2019. However, based on information that necessitated a deeper investigation, the University began to work alongside the NCAA in investigating the matter. After several months of interviews and, after a review of documentation, it was determined that in the summer of 2017, while James was a high school student and prospective student-athlete, Penny Hardaway provided $11,500 in moving expenses to assist the Wiseman family in their relocation to Memphis, unbeknownst to James.

Here's the relevant facts alleged in Wiseman's complaint:

26. Between approximately Jan. 25, 2019 and May 17, 2019, the NCAA and the University of Memphis conducted a thorough cooperative assessment and review for Mr. Wiseman’s amateurism certification. All information regarding Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Ms. Artis and other points of inquiry were shared with the NCAA prior to certification of Mr. Wiseman’s eligibility.

27. Mr. Wiseman graduated from East High School on Mary 22, 2019. He received final amateurism certification from the NCAA on or about May 29, 2019.

28. The NCAA subsequently placed the University of Memphis on notice of inquiry concerning whether Mr. Hardaway provided impermissible benefits to Mr. Wiseman and his family. Additionally, the NCAA asserted that its final certification of Mr. Wiseman was released “inadvertently,” but represented that per its error policy it would honor the released certification.

29. On or about Oct. 31, 2019, in a response to a request for interpretation, the NCAA made
the following findings:
• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway became a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests when he donated funds to the athletics department in
2008;
• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway maintains his status as a representative
“indefinitely;”
• the NCAA found that Mr. Hardaway’s financial assistance to Mr. Wiseman’s mother
in 2017 violated the bylaws because he was a representative of the University of
Memphis athletics interests.

Neither the University nor Wiseman give a specific date on which the University received the Notice of Inquiry. No documents have been presented to the court, other than the complaint itself, as there were no exhibits entered with the complaint. Since the initial review was conducted jointly by the NCAA and the UofM, the likelihood that the information concerning Penny's payments to Wiseman's mom was shared with the NCAA but not with the UofM is exceedingly low.

Assuming the facts as alleged in the complaint are true, the most likely explanation IMO is that the NCAA decided that they had not initially considered Penny a booster but later went back and decided that, under the NCAA's interpretation of a booster in accordance with the Bylaws, that Penny should have initially been considered a booster. This would make sense as being the information that necessitated a "deeper investigation."

Again, if the facts as alleged in the complaint are true, this is a textbook case of promissory estoppel and James should be able to prevail. The important aspects of promissory estoppel are that a promise was made, and that the harmed party relied on that promise to his detriment. Each of those elements is clearly met.

the U of M's release does make it sound like they did not know about the money before the NCAA 'accidental' ruling that he was cleared.