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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
(08-23-2019 02:10 PM)e-parade Wrote: (08-23-2019 12:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (08-23-2019 10:16 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote: (08-23-2019 10:04 AM)zoocrew Wrote: (08-23-2019 08:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote: A 5-1-2 where the "1" included Notre Dame is something Notre Dame would jump right on, as it would be far more favorable to them than any other system.
ND could finish ranked, say, #12, and yet still make the playoffs as long as they beat out every other G5.
I daresay that's not likely to happen. Notre Dame is not in any way comparable to a G5. But for the same reason, because a 5-1-2 that does not include ND in the "1" would harm them, that is an unlikely system as well.
The most likely systems IMO are Straight 8, or 5-3. Because those don't overly favor, nor harm, Notre Dame.
nah
Like I've stated, I think a straight forward compromise is simply that all top 8 independents and G5 champs will get priority for the at-large slots over any P5 non-champ in the top 8. This way, ND (or any other independent) or G5 champ that would have otherwise made the playoff in a "straight 8" system would not get shut out. To me, that's a fair compromise in exchange for the P5 getting auto-bids for their champions. Essentially, if you're a P5 at-large candidate, then you had an opportunity to get an auto-bid to get into the playoff and, as a result, you shouldn't be jumping a top 8 team that didn't have any opportunity for an auto-bid.
That also provides further clarity for the field: if you're an independent or G5 champ that's in the top 8, then you're in the playoff and aren't either given an advantage or disadvantage compared to a straight 8 system. In contrast, the P5 get an advantage for their champs in an auto-bid system, so it's equitable that their at-large teams don't get the same benefit.
(If there are somehow 4 independents and G5 champs that are all in the top 8 in a particular season that causes one of those teams to be shut out, then that has meant that the apocalypse has come upon us. I'll take my chances on that one compared to the more problematic issue, at least from the perspective of the powers that be, that a P5 champ doesn't make it in a straight 8 playoff.)
The problem with this scenario is that IMO it could result in a *really good* P5 team being shut out, which could create legitimacy issues.
E.g., imagine these are the final CFP rankings:
1) Alabama 12-1
2) Clemson 12-1
3) USC 12-1
4) Oklahoma 12-1
5) Ohio State 11-2*
6) Notre Dame 10-2
7) TCU 11-2*
8) Houston 12-1
Where an "*" indicates a P5 champ.
The SEC, ACC, and PAC champs are all outside the top 8, they have 3+ losses and pulled upsets in their CCGs over Alabama, Clemson, and USC.
So in S8 we get .... those 8 teams.
In 5-1-2 we get .... Notre Dame, Oklahoma and USC, the #3, #4, and #6 teams booted out in favor of the three non-ranked P5 champs. That's a big hit to legitimacy, IMO.
In your system, if I understand it correctly, we'd lose #2 Clemson, #3 USC, and #4 Oklahoma, because we'd need to protect #6 ND and #8 Houston while ushering in the three outside-the-eight P5 champs.
Losing #2, #3, and #4 would really hurt the validity of the playoff, IMO.
Is this likely? Of course not. But it's another reason why IMO straight 8 is best. S8 just doesn't give us any screwy scenarios.
How in god's name are Alabama, Clemson, USC, and Oklahoma all going to lose their conference championship game and not end up dropping in the rankings there?
Those top three teams aren't going to drop behind teams with more losses in the final rankings. Yes, they might if they got blown out in their CCGs, but OK, I'm assuming they lose close games.
There isn't any way 2-loss Ohio State is moving past those 1-loss teams, and that goes for everyone further down as well.
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