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Exclamation This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
8-team playoff.

Each Power 5 Champion is an AQ.

The highest ranked G5 Champion is an AQ.

The remaining two at-large seeds go to the highest ranked teams not already in as an AQ.

After the 8 team field is set, they are seeded by the CFB Playoff Committee for match-ups

If this was implemented last year, the 8-team playoff would've consisted of these teams (in no particular order):

Alabama (SEC Champs)
Clemson (ACC Champs)
Oklahoma (B12 Champs)
Ohio State (B10 Champs)
Washington (PAC12 Champs)
UCF (Highest ranked G5 Champion)
Notre Dame (highest ranked team not already in as an AQ)
Georgia (2nd highest ranked team not already in as an AQ - the last team in)

And under this scenario, you would've probably have seen these pods/match-ups:

1. Alabama vs. 8. Washington
4. Ohio State vs. 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson vs. 7. UCF
3. Oklahoma vs. 6. Georgia

What do you think?
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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?
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10 conference champions plus 4 wild cards, highest ranked team plays lowest ranked team and so on untill two teams play for all the marbles
In this scenario no need for a committee
Anything else is “ fake news “
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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
A5 action playoffs
A5 moves to 32 teams and has their own and separate playoffs set up any way they want too
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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Pump the brakes man lol. I understand how a true 8-team playoff would work and I'm not really opposed to it. I guess for my own selfish reasons, I want to see the highest ranked G5 Champion in an 8-team playoff, regardless of how high they are ranked because we all know how political "rankings" can be.
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(08-09-2019 04:14 PM)TTT Wrote:  8-team playoff.

Each Power 5 Champion is an AQ.

The highest ranked G5 Champion is an AQ.

The remaining two at-large seeds go to the highest ranked teams not already in as an AQ.

After the 8 team field is set, they are seeded by the CFB Playoff Committee for match-ups

If this was implemented last year, the 8-team playoff would've consisted of these teams (in no particular order):

Alabama (SEC Champs)
Clemson (ACC Champs)
Oklahoma (B12 Champs)
Ohio State (B10 Champs)
Washington (PAC12 Champs)
UCF (Highest ranked G5 Champion)
Notre Dame (highest ranked team not already in as an AQ)
Georgia (2nd highest ranked team not already in as an AQ - the last team in)

And under this scenario, you would've probably have seen these pods/match-ups:

1. Alabama vs. 8. Washington
4. Ohio State vs. 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson vs. 7. UCF
3. Oklahoma vs. 6. Georgia

What do you think?

I like it! That’s a MUCH better model than either the one currently employed or the many ideas that have been floated.

I am completely opposed to the so-called, “top eight” plan because that doesn’t really solve anything.

The fundamental problem of the current playoff is not the number of teams involved but rather how they are selected. Frankly, that was also true in the old BCS days and in the multiple systems before that.

So, if the playoff is two teams, four teams, eight teams or 64 teams, the system is still illegitimate until you establish transparent, objective criteria for inclusion in the playoff.

I don’t want to take Paul Finebaum’s or Lee Corso’s word for what would happen if Oklahoma played Alabama, or if UCF played USC, I want to actually watch it for myself.

It’s 2019! Why are we still doing this?

If you want to ensure controversy and that deserving teams will be hosed, put in the top eight model and have all the same people that have been wrong for years vote on it based on who passes the stupid “looks test” and who doesn’t.

The most ridiculous thing in American sports is that we’re going to the final weekend of every college football season having no idea who is going to be competing in the playoffs? Why? Who does that serve?

Playoff participation should be established before the first ball is kicked off and everyone should know before the season begins exactly what they need to do to qualify for the playoff. Any other system is every bit as little illegitimate and ill fated as all of the other ones that people have clamored for decades to end.
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(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Because you glorify the beauty pageant. That's the wrong direction.

A dozen biased judges decide whether Michigan, UCF, Washington, Florida or LSU gets into the playoff? No, thank you.

At least the conference-champ requirement gives you objective criteria for 75% of the playoff participants.

I don't love the idea to give the P5 champions an automatic bid. Would '18 Washington really deserve a playoff spot ahead of UCF or Florida? What if there is a CCG upset? But, it does keep all regions of the country interested in the playoff and is likely the only way to get playoff expansion passed by the decision makers.
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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
(08-09-2019 05:23 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:14 PM)TTT Wrote:  8-team playoff.

Each Power 5 Champion is an AQ.

The highest ranked G5 Champion is an AQ.

The remaining two at-large seeds go to the highest ranked teams not already in as an AQ.

After the 8 team field is set, they are seeded by the CFB Playoff Committee for match-ups

If this was implemented last year, the 8-team playoff would've consisted of these teams (in no particular order):

Alabama (SEC Champs)
Clemson (ACC Champs)
Oklahoma (B12 Champs)
Ohio State (B10 Champs)
Washington (PAC12 Champs)
UCF (Highest ranked G5 Champion)
Notre Dame (highest ranked team not already in as an AQ)
Georgia (2nd highest ranked team not already in as an AQ - the last team in)

And under this scenario, you would've probably have seen these pods/match-ups:

1. Alabama vs. 8. Washington
4. Ohio State vs. 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson vs. 7. UCF
3. Oklahoma vs. 6. Georgia

What do you think?

I like it! That’s a MUCH better model than either the one currently employed or the many ideas that have been floated.



This is the model that will preserve interest in all FBS....it has the best and the Cinderella element... this is also the most financially explosive scenario... because all college fans across the country will have a stake in this possibility...the premier programs will slant to the top almost every year because of the Auto qualifier ... the G5 gets its spot... and the extra two spots are for those teams that had to play in a tough conference and has a blemish but is capable of winning it all...
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RE: This is what I think the CFB Playoff format should look like
(08-09-2019 04:14 PM)TTT Wrote:  8-team playoff.

Each Power 5 Champion is an AQ.

The highest ranked G5 Champion is an AQ.

The remaining two at-large seeds go to the highest ranked teams not already in as an AQ.

After the 8 team field is set, they are seeded by the CFB Playoff Committee for match-ups

If this was implemented last year, the 8-team playoff would've consisted of these teams (in no particular order):

Alabama (SEC Champs)
Clemson (ACC Champs)
Oklahoma (B12 Champs)
Ohio State (B10 Champs)
Washington (PAC12 Champs)
UCF (Highest ranked G5 Champion)
Notre Dame (highest ranked team not already in as an AQ)
Georgia (2nd highest ranked team not already in as an AQ - the last team in)

And under this scenario, you would've probably have seen these pods/match-ups:

1. Alabama vs. 8. Washington
4. Ohio State vs. 5. Notre Dame

2. Clemson vs. 7. UCF
3. Oklahoma vs. 6. Georgia

What do you think?

What you’re describing is what a lot of us here refer to as a 5-1-2 playoff and there is a fairly strong contingent that think it would produce the most controversy free, fairest playoff scenario.

I for one am a big fan of this model. NY6 bowls serve as quarter final sites, play the semis 7-10 days later, and the national title the Saturday of Pro Bowl Weekend.
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In a 4-team playoff, the arguments are usually between 2 teams as to who gets the 4th spot. Once you go to an 8-team playoff, the argument who gets 6/7/8 is going to get tougher. Much more difficult to decide which 2-loss teams ranked 7-13 are more "worthy".

And if the AAC gets the top G5 team a large majority of the time, the way it seems to be breaking, the G5 auto-bid is essentially putting the AAC on even footing with the P5. Given the difference in schedule strength, that won't fly either.
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(08-09-2019 05:50 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  In a 4-team playoff, the arguments are usually between 2 teams as to who gets the 4th spot. Once you go to an 8-team playoff, the argument who gets 6/7/8 is going to get tougher. Much more difficult to decide which 2-loss teams ranked 7-13 are more "worthy".

And if the AAC gets the top G5 team a large majority of the time, the way it seems to be breaking, the G5 auto-bid is essentially putting the AAC on even footing with the P5. Given the difference in schedule strength, that won't fly either.

5-1-2 really isn’t all that controversial. 6 schools get in by virtue of clenching it on the field in their CCG. 2 get in as at-larges since some conferences are deeper and others and have multiple national championship contenders. It also gives Indy schools a path too.

The G5 have to have an opportunity or else you run afoul of anti-trust law. P5s have a 1 in 10 to 1 in 14 shot at an auto berth. A G5 has a 1 in 59 shot with a shared bid.
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Personally, I like the idea to have multiple non-champ Wild Card teams actually play for the 2 remaining playoff spots. This expands the field slightly so that you can accommodate 6 automatic-berth conference champions but don't let the beauty pageant determine which teams are excluded in those controversial 7-10 rankings....

Automatic Qualifiers
#1 Alabama[SEC]
#2 Clemson[ACC]
#4 Oklahoma[B12]
#6 Ohio State[B1G]
#8 UCF[G5]
#9 Washington[PAC]

WILD CARD
#3 Notre Dame
#5 Georgia
#7 Michigan
#10 Florida

WILD CARD WEEKEND
December 15, 2018
Florida @ Notre Dame
Michigan @ Georgia
(Or, you could use pre-determined neutral-site venues, like Atlanta, Arlington, Las Vegas, Indianapolis....)

NEW YEAR'S
Sugar Bowl: (1)Alabama v. (8)Washington
Orange Bowl: (2)Clemson v. (7)UCF
Cotton Bowl: (3)Oklahoma v. (6)Georgia
Rose Bowl: (4)Ohio State v. (5)Notre Dame
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How about 5 P5 champs plus best at large (give Norte Dame a shot) get a bye

Round one is then next 4 best (one of which must be a G5)

R1 Florida @ Georgia & UCF @ Michigan

R2 Washington @ Alabama, Michigan @ Clemson, Ohio St @ Norte Dame, Georgia @ Oklahoma
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Six is the next logical step top two get a bye.
First round at 3 and 4 campuses then current format.
Five P5 champs one at large highest ranked non champ.
So the G5 can get their just be the highest ranked non P5 conference champ.
Which will probably never happen.
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(08-09-2019 05:50 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  In a 4-team playoff, the arguments are usually between 2 teams as to who gets the 4th spot. Once you go to an 8-team playoff, the argument who gets 6/7/8 is going to get tougher. Much more difficult to decide which 2-loss teams ranked 7-13 are more "worthy".

And if the AAC gets the top G5 team a large majority of the time, the way it seems to be breaking, the G5 auto-bid is essentially putting the AAC on even footing with the P5. Given the difference in schedule strength, that won't fly either.

That isn't an AAC spot, though. It's at risk - which is the key. Boise State can steal it in the future. WMU stole it.

Also, the G5 spot is locked as a 6.

70% of a 6 seed is far more perilous than 100% of a 3 or 4 seed.
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(08-09-2019 06:31 PM)CoastalVANDAL Wrote:  Six is the next logical step top two get a bye.
First round at 3 and 4 campuses then current format.
Five P5 champs one at large highest ranked non champ.
So the G5 can get their just be the highest ranked non P5 conference champ.
Which will probably never happen.

6 will never fly either. Knowing full well that deciding which 2 or 3 1-loss teams gets a bye would be such a shart-show, it would never pass.
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(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Because opinions dont matter. Winning does. There is a reason every major sports has a playoff system where you win your way in. It very simple---If you can't win your way in, then you don't deserve to be there. Why do we need somebody's "opinion" to "correct" what happens on the field? This belief that polls or committee's are more important than the actual game results is just the oddest thing about college football. Its literally exists nowhere else. In every other sport---if you dont win the big game that gets you into the playoff---nobody thinks twice about it.

However if your absolutely just frightened to death that the world will end without some poll based element---then the 5-1-2 has two wildcard slots for teams that have done really well all year---but did not win their conference because they blew a key game. So with all the P5 conference champs in the playoff---plus the best G5 champ----what really are the chances that there will be 3 truly deserving teams---none of which won their conference? What this system does is emphasize the importance of a conference championship. I mean, since conference games make up 66% to 75% of the schedule----it seems reasonable that we should actually make winning a darn conference kinda important to making the playoff.
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(08-09-2019 06:12 PM)YNot Wrote:  Personally, I like the idea to have multiple non-champ Wild Card teams actually play for the 2 remaining playoff spots. This expands the field slightly so that you can accommodate 6 automatic-berth conference champions but don't let the beauty pageant determine which teams are excluded in those controversial 7-10 rankings....

Automatic Qualifiers
#1 Alabama[SEC]
#2 Clemson[ACC]
#4 Oklahoma[B12]
#6 Ohio State[B1G]
#8 UCF[G5]
#9 Washington[PAC]

WILD CARD
#3 Notre Dame
#5 Georgia
#7 Michigan
#10 Florida

WILD CARD WEEKEND
December 15, 2018
Florida @ Notre Dame
Michigan @ Georgia
(Or, you could use pre-determined neutral-site venues, like Atlanta, Arlington, Las Vegas, Indianapolis....)

NEW YEAR'S
Sugar Bowl: (1)Alabama v. (8)Washington
Orange Bowl: (2)Clemson v. (7)UCF
Cotton Bowl: (3)Oklahoma v. (6)Georgia
Rose Bowl: (4)Ohio State v. (5)Notre Dame

I like the idea of assigning the playoff and wildcard games to the prestigious bowls. However, in response to others, I don't like the idea of having first round byes. Too little # of a playoff format to implement first round byes. 16+ team playoffs? Sure, I'm for byes then.
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I am huge fan of 5-1-2. I would scrap seeding and use the Rose, Cotton, Sugar, and Orange as first round sites. Keep the traditional tie-ins. G team is considered at-large for placement. Year one example bowls can be take turns hosting playoff if needed.

Rose-B1G vs PAC
Orange ACC vs At-large
Sugar SEC vs At-large
Cotton Big XII vs At-large

Peach, Citrus, Las Vegas, and Fiesta host New Years bowls, while two get the semis each year. G5 champs that don’t make playoff play each other on New Years
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(08-09-2019 08:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(08-09-2019 04:26 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  No and no.

None of the Power 5 Conference champs deserve an automatic spot.
Top G5 champ doesn’t deserve a spot either.

Just pick the top 8, regardless of conference affiliation or conference title.

What’s so hard to understand?

Because opinions dont matter. Winning does. There is a reason every major sports has a playoff system where you win your way in. It very simple---If you can't win your way in, then you don't deserve to be there. Why do we need somebody's "opinion" to "correct" what happens on the field? This belief that polls or committee's are more important than the actual game results is just the oddest thing about college football. Its literally exists nowhere else. In every other sport---if you dont win the big game that gets you into the playoff---nobody thinks twice about it.

However if your absolutely just frightened to death that the world will end without some poll based element---then the 5-1-2 has two wildcard slots for teams that have done really well all year---but did not win their conference because they blew a key game. So with all the P5 conference champs in the playoff---plus the best G5 champ----what really are the chances that there will be 3 truly deserving teams---none of which won their conference? What this system does is emphasize the importance of a conference championship. I mean, since conference games make up 66% to 75% of the schedule----it seems reasonable that we should actually make winning a darn conference kinda important to making the playoff.
I agree with you here, but this will probably never change, the SEC calls all the shots and if they think their second or third team or even their fourth is more deserving because they recruited better the previous year then they think these teams should get “ selected “ above all other teams with better records
So what a CFP playoffs should really be is a measure of what teams have the highest recruiting averages, doesn’t that sound like fun
I say just let these A5 conferences become 4 conferences with 32 teams play only with themselves, I mean this is what they really want,” am I wrong”
32 teams playing with themselves, give them 2 or 3 years and nobody will be watching them play with themselves
I’ll be watching the other 96 teams battle it out for a national championship
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