(07-19-2019 06:52 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  LOL at you poor folks in a state of constant denial. Just check out Trump's tweets for a constant reminder of his views. Sunday mornings tend to be the worst ones for whatever reason. Whoever was asking for him to get a hobby to do something instead of tweet should try to steer him towards Candy Crush instead.
And you guys are so outraged when we call Trump racist. Yet you think nothing of posting rubbish that every Democrat is a Socialist or Communist. That's equally laughable. Stop using the S/C card and I'll ease back off the R card. Not everything is an absolute.

How about we go the other way, you can call Trump a racist and I can call democrats socialists/communists/collectivists?

Here's the difference I see. Attributing socialism/communism/collectivism to democrats is based upon very specific and identified policy provisions which they openly support--massive redistribution of income and wealth, government intrusion and control into all aspects of our life, the whole Alinsky thing, whereas attributing racism to Trump depends on labeling certain statement based not upon the actions or intentions of Trump, but on somebody else's "feelings" about those things. I call democrats socialists/communists/collectivists because of the words and actions of those specific democrats. You call Trump a racist because of the "feelings" of people other than Trump. It's rather difficult logically to extrapolate your "feelings" onto anyone else's intentions.

Because I see absolutely no reason why the terms socialist/communist/collectivist do not fit the likes of Sanders and AOC and the vast majority of the democrat presidential field. Sanders goes so far as to admit that he is a "democratic socialist," whatever that means, since that is not a term that is well defined. I think he uses it because it sounds like "social democrat" and he wants to confuse people so they don't see his true colors. If I were a communist running for office in the US, I'd do that too.

If you don't want the democrats to be called socialists/communists/collectivists, why don't you explain how their views are differentiated? I know that there are--or at least used to be there were--people who called themselves democrats who were not socialists/communists/collectivists. I don't see any of them any more.

And I really don't care what you think of Trump. I don't like him either. But he's what's standing between us and the socialist/communist/collectivist democrats at this point. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I just wish my enemies had better enemies.

(07-19-2019 07:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:14 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Heading off to work in a bit so I don't want to be accused of ducking the issue. If TigerBlue4Ever will admit he overstates stuff on this board (like his post a few minutes ago on a different thread where he says 'It's been asked over and over and no one has yet answered, why do democrats hate America?'), then I'll be happy to post a more definitive list of racist Trump comments tonight.

But no deal if he keep posting hyperbole. Exaggeration leads to exaggeration in response.

More BS because you can’t backup your statement. You’re a disgrace.


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Shuckin and jivin. I don't think it's empty rhetoric at all to assert that democrats, at least those in power, hate America. Joseph McCarthy was right all along.

Pretty freaking lame apology. And it's still incorrect. Ironic that you quoted Joseph McCarthy because that's whose playbook Trump is using now (and it's not a coincidence that Roy Cohn advised both men). But at least you went from democrats to 'democrats in power'. That's probably about as little of an apology as I'll ever get from you or others here.

True to my word however, I will post a new thread in a few hours with Trump's history of racism. Give me a couple of hours to put together my list of examples. I think that's more than fair.

(07-19-2019 06:52 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just check out Trump's tweets for a constant reminder of his views.

Here are the most recent tweets labeled as 'racist'

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly..........and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

That is the specific tweet, and from this the left has taken racism, the whitening of america and disloyalty. Adding in the 'shicthole' comment is just applying one comment to another situation that while similar, isn't addressing the same thing. If you don't think there are some countries in this world that meet that description, then you are ignorant. Now, should the President be saying that? No... but it doesn't make him wrong, merely boorish. Many in this country would rather have a boorish President than one who tells you one thing and does another, which is what Pelosi, Hillary and so many others are doing.

(07-19-2019 07:02 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Wasn't anything close to a shitehole. Poverty doesn't make something undesirable.

No one here has ever stated anything definitively that all Democrats/Liberals are socialists and communists, but that doesn't stop you guys from posting that and stating it's a fact. If you're going to name call, then we should be able to do the same.

That's your opinion. To someone whose life experience is mostly

There is a lot wrong with Jamaica that goes way beyond poverty. You seem merely to be talking about Natural beauty and the fact that the people there don't totally suck... What do you think of the government? Ask Tom in Lazybrook what he thinks of them

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

Based on what?

In April 2008, the Senate found it necessary/prudent to pass a resolution establishing that John McCain, Born in the Panama Canal Zone was indeed a natural citizen. There was a Federal court case challenging it.

Was THAT racism? If not, WHY not? Why is it NOT racism to challenge a white man's eligibility with a very clear 'chain of events', but it's racism to challenge someone whose chain of events is demonstrably less clear?

Remember, this was 1961, and Hawaii only became a state in 1959. If we were to annex Mexico, you think everyone would be 'up to snuff' in 2 years? Democrats argue that in 2019, 6 years isn't enough time to register to vote.

(07-19-2019 03:51 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 06:52 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Just check out Trump's tweets for a constant reminder of his views.

Here are the most recent tweets labeled as 'racist'

So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly..........and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how........it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!

That is the specific tweet, and from this the left has taken racism, the whitening of america and disloyalty. Adding in the 'shicthole' comment is just applying one comment to another situation that while similar, isn't addressing the same thing. If you don't think there are some countries in this world that meet that description, then you are ignorant. Now, should the President be saying that? No... but it doesn't make him wrong, merely boorish. Many in this country would rather have a boorish President than one who tells you one thing and does another, which is what Pelosi, Hillary and so many others are doing.

(07-19-2019 07:02 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Wasn't anything close to a shitehole. Poverty doesn't make something undesirable.

No one here has ever stated anything definitively that all Democrats/Liberals are socialists and communists, but that doesn't stop you guys from posting that and stating it's a fact. If you're going to name call, then we should be able to do the same.

That's your opinion. To someone whose life experience is mostly

There is a lot wrong with Jamaica that goes way beyond poverty. You seem merely to be talking about Natural beauty and the fact that the people there don't totally suck... What do you think of the government? Ask Tom in Lazybrook what he thinks of them

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

Based on what?

In April 2008, the Senate found it necessary/prudent to pass a resolution establishing that John McCain, Born in the Panama Canal Zone was indeed a natural citizen. There was a Federal court case challenging it.

Was THAT racism? If not, WHY not? Why is it NOT racism to challenge a white man's eligibility with a very clear 'chain of events', but it's racism to challenge someone whose chain of events is demonstrably less clear?

Remember, this was 1961, and Hawaii only became a state in 1959. If we were to annex Mexico, you think everyone would be 'up to snuff' in 2 years? Democrats argue that in 2019, 6 years isn't enough time to register to vote.

Trump didn't start the birther movement. Acton & Dystel did. Would love to see Obama's college applications though.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/promotional-booklet/

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

In my opinion claiming Trump is a Russian puppet of Putin is racist. I believe to keep pushing that when there is NO EVIDENCE found in four investigation is racist.
Why do you hate white people? You know that’s racist don’t you?

See how that works?


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(07-19-2019 09:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

Didn't he push that Cruz was not eligible also? Cruz was born in Canada of US parents.

And the birthers were more concerned about the Muslim angle than the African.

The difference is that Cruz was actually born outside of the US. I don't believe that was racially motivated as it was in the Obama scenario. Besides, did Trump wage a multi-year long campaign questioning Cruz's eligibility? Did he demand birth certificates? Did he demand college records?

I was born in Canada to an American parent and for years I thought I was ineligible because of the "natural born US Citizen" line. I always though you had to be born on US soil to be eligible. It wasn't until Cruz ran for president that I found out that I could actually run one day (though I never will).

Did you ever ask yourself why Barry didn’t just produce his birth certificate? Did you ever question the inaccurate material on it?
Did you ever just accept what Barry said and never question it? Did you ever wonder why his college records were sealed? Did you ever wonder how he went to college? Did you ever question who paid for it? Bet you didn’t question anything.....the perfect democrat.

(07-19-2019 09:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

Didn't he push that Cruz was not eligible also? Cruz was born in Canada of US parents.

And the birthers were more concerned about the Muslim angle than the African.

The difference is that Cruz was actually born outside of the US. I don't believe that was racially motivated as it was in the Obama scenario. Besides, did Trump wage a multi-year long campaign questioning Cruz's eligibility? Did he demand birth certificates? Did he demand college records?

I was born in Canada to an American parent and for years I thought I was ineligible because of the "natural born US Citizen" line. I always though you had to be born on US soil to be eligible. It wasn't until Cruz ran for president that I found out that I could actually run one day (though I never will).

So one birther story is racially motivated and one is not. Do you realize how silly that sounds?

(07-19-2019 01:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 06:52 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  LOL at you poor folks in a state of constant denial. Just check out Trump's tweets for a constant reminder of his views. Sunday mornings tend to be the worst ones for whatever reason. Whoever was asking for him to get a hobby to do something instead of tweet should try to steer him towards Candy Crush instead.
And you guys are so outraged when we call Trump racist. Yet you think nothing of posting rubbish that every Democrat is a Socialist or Communist. That's equally laughable. Stop using the S/C card and I'll ease back off the R card. Not everything is an absolute.

How about we go the other way, you can call Trump a racist and I can call democrats socialists/communists/collectivists?

Here's the difference I see. Attributing socialism/communism/collectivism to democrats is based upon very specific and identified policy provisions which they openly support--massive redistribution of income and wealth, government intrusion and control into all aspects of our life, the whole Alinsky thing, whereas attributing racism to Trump depends on labeling certain statement based not upon the actions or intentions of Trump, but on somebody else's "feelings" about those things. I call democrats socialists/communists/collectivists because of the words and actions of those specific democrats. You call Trump a racist because of the "feelings" of people other than Trump. It's rather difficult logically to extrapolate your "feelings" onto anyone else's intentions.

Because I see absolutely no reason why the terms socialist/communist/collectivist do not fit the likes of Sanders and AOC and the vast majority of the democrat presidential field. Sanders goes so far as to admit that he is a "democratic socialist," whatever that means, since that is not a term that is well defined. I think he uses it because it sounds like "social democrat" and he wants to confuse people so they don't see his true colors. If I were a communist running for office in the US, I'd do that too.

If you don't want the democrats to be called socialists/communists/collectivists, why don't you explain how their views are differentiated? I know that there are--or at least used to be there were--people who called themselves democrats who were not socialists/communists/collectivists. I don't see any of them any more.

And I really don't care what you think of Trump. I don't like him either. But he's what's standing between us and the socialist/communist/collectivist democrats at this point. And the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I just wish my enemies had better enemies.

Sanders and AOC and some others call themselves socialists.

You still haven't given one example of a racist comment by Trump. Bobcat did, but like all of these, its pretty weak.

(07-19-2019 02:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:14 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Heading off to work in a bit so I don't want to be accused of ducking the issue. If TigerBlue4Ever will admit he overstates stuff on this board (like his post a few minutes ago on a different thread where he says 'It's been asked over and over and no one has yet answered, why do democrats hate America?'), then I'll be happy to post a more definitive list of racist Trump comments tonight.

But no deal if he keep posting hyperbole. Exaggeration leads to exaggeration in response.

More BS because you can’t backup your statement. You’re a disgrace.


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Shuckin and jivin. I don't think it's empty rhetoric at all to assert that democrats, at least those in power, hate America. Joseph McCarthy was right all along.

Pretty freaking lame apology. And it's still incorrect. Ironic that you quoted Joseph McCarthy because that's whose playbook Trump is using now (and it's not a coincidence that Roy Cohn advised both men). But at least you went from democrats to 'democrats in power'. That's probably about as little of an apology as I'll ever get from you or others here.

True to my word however, I will post a new thread in a few hours with Trump's history of racism. Give me a couple of hours to put together my list of examples. I think that's more than fair.

Its the Democrats that are using the McCarthy playbook. Its scary. And so many don't have a clue. But then it doesn't impact progressives or liberals (yet). Try being openly conservative and keep your job in Silicon Valley.

(07-19-2019 04:17 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:26 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:13 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

Didn't he push that Cruz was not eligible also? Cruz was born in Canada of US parents.

And the birthers were more concerned about the Muslim angle than the African.

The difference is that Cruz was actually born outside of the US. I don't believe that was racially motivated as it was in the Obama scenario. Besides, did Trump wage a multi-year long campaign questioning Cruz's eligibility? Did he demand birth certificates? Did he demand college records?

I was born in Canada to an American parent and for years I thought I was ineligible because of the "natural born US Citizen" line. I always though you had to be born on US soil to be eligible. It wasn't until Cruz ran for president that I found out that I could actually run one day (though I never will).

Did you ever ask yourself why Barry didn’t just produce his birth certificate? Did you ever question the inaccurate material on it?
Did you ever just accept what Barry said and never question it? Did you ever wonder why his college records were sealed? Did you ever wonder how he went to college? Did you ever question who paid for it? Bet you didn’t question anything.....the perfect democrat.

I suspect Barry didn't produce his birth certificate for the same reason DJT is egging on the 4 horsewomen of the apocalypse. Give them enough string and let them hang themselves. He could have stopped it very easily. He didn't want to.

(07-19-2019 02:49 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:58 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:52 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:14 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Heading off to work in a bit so I don't want to be accused of ducking the issue. If TigerBlue4Ever will admit he overstates stuff on this board (like his post a few minutes ago on a different thread where he says 'It's been asked over and over and no one has yet answered, why do democrats hate America?'), then I'll be happy to post a more definitive list of racist Trump comments tonight.

But no deal if he keep posting hyperbole. Exaggeration leads to exaggeration in response.

More BS because you can’t backup your statement. You’re a disgrace.


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Shuckin and jivin. I don't think it's empty rhetoric at all to assert that democrats, at least those in power, hate America. Joseph McCarthy was right all along.

Pretty freaking lame apology. And it's still incorrect. Ironic that you quoted Joseph McCarthy because that's whose playbook Trump is using now (and it's not a coincidence that Roy Cohn advised both men). But at least you went from democrats to 'democrats in power'. That's probably about as little of an apology as I'll ever get from you or others here.

True to my word however, I will post a new thread in a few hours with Trump's history of racism. Give me a couple of hours to put together my list of examples. I think that's more than fair.

Apology? Typical victim democrat. What exactly do we need to apologize to you about?

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist. The fact that he clung to a conspiracy theory for years, even when evidence was presented was racist. I believe if Obama was not a black man, Trump would have never pushed that disgusting narrative.

Only when you entertain your delusion could such a statement be considered racist. Well done, the leap in logic required to arrive at such a conclusion was huge and you sailed across it like you had wings.

(07-19-2019 01:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:43 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 07:02 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 06:52 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  LOL at you poor folks in a state of constant denial. Just check out Trump's tweets for a constant reminder of his views. Sunday mornings tend to be the worst ones for whatever reason. Whoever was asking for him to get a hobby to do something instead of tweet should try to steer him towards Candy Crush instead.

And you guys are so outraged when we call Trump racist. Yet you think nothing of posting rubbish that every Democrat is a Socialist or Communist. That's equally laughable. Stop using the S/C card and I'll ease back off the R card. Not everything is an absolute.

President Trump is a mean-spirited moron. Given the choice, there are dozens of better-qualified Republicans and independents for the office of president.

The problem is that there are precious few better-qualified Democrats running for that office. Steve Bullock and John Delaney are the only two acceptable choices among the current flock.

You cannot cite a single example of a racist comment or action by President Trump. Because he's simply not a racist. Whereas most everyone on this board can cite to multiple instances of socialist statements by the leading Democrats. The Green New Deal, for just one example.

Face it Owl, you've lost this argument.

Seriously? Like who? Respectfully, your constant equivocation is tiresome. IMO there's not one single republican who could, or would, have done half of what Trump has accomplished in spite of constant opposition from the left and even within his own party.

I am crushed to be such a disappointment to you, TB. Your opinion is the one thing that gives meaning to my involvement on this forum.

Does this mean that I am no longer welcome to attend the I-Love-Donald Choir recitals?

My choice for an improved Republican ticket in 2020 -- Haley/Crenshaw.

Damn son, let the butthurt flow, get it out. You criticize him and in the next breath extol his virtues, the very definition of equivocation. I was being polite and you still took offense. You may wish to start using some of that skin thickening cream they sell at the drug store now.

I keep hearing I get to keep my doctor.

Looks like the fort bend owl dude is just shooting blanks....typical lib.

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist.

Why? Why is that racist? What is racist about it?

Now, I thought it was stupid and said so at the time, because as long as his mother’s citizenship transferred to him, he was a natural-born citizen. There was a problem with a statute that had been in effect at the time of his birth, but that statute had been repealed long ago, and I don’t think any court in the land would have overruled the will of the voters.

So I thought it was stupid and opposed it from the start. But I don’t get racism as the basis for it. If Obama had been white, or if the same circumstances had existed with respect to another candidate who happened to be white, I would have expected similar comments. In fact I know they would have come up because they already did with respect to George Romney (Mitt’s father) in the early 1960s.

List of republicans I would prefer to Donald Trump: Rand Paul, Nikki Hailey, Justin Amash, Mike Lee, Gary Johnson, others but those will do for starters.

List of democrats I would prefer to Donald Trump: None.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I wish my enemies had better enemies.

(07-19-2019 05:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-19-2019 09:00 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  In my opinion, Trump's claim that the first person of color to become president was not born here was racist.

Why? Why is that racist? What is racist about it?

Now, I thought it was stupid and said so at the time, because as long as his mother’s citizenship transferred to him, he was a natural-born citizen. There was a problem with a statute that had been in effect at the time of his birth, but that statute had been repealed long ago, and I don’t think any court in the land would have overruled the will of the voters.

So I thought it was stupid and opposed it from the start. But I don’t get racism as the basis for it. If Obama had been white, or if the same circumstances had existed with respect to another candidate who happened to be white, I would have expected similar comments. In fact I know they would have come up because they already did with respect to George Romney (Mitt’s father) in the early 1960s.

Exactly.

(07-19-2019 06:09 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  List of republicans I would prefer to Donald Trump: Rand Paul, Nikki Hailey, Justin Amash, Mike Lee, Gary Johnson, others but those will do for starters.

List of democrats I would prefer to Donald Trump: None.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but I wish my enemies had better enemies.

I would have preferred:
Jeb, Scott, Carly, Chris, Bobby, Lindsay, Jim, Ted, Mike, Ben, Marco, Rick S., Rick P. John, George but not Paul and not Ringo.