(07-11-2019 04:39 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Reflecting on the big three RBs from last year I think Taylor can really bust out some more impressive numbers this year. I don't think any other RB will approach the carries to split like Taylor did with Henderson.

Taylor had 208 carries for 1122 yards and 16 TDs. This year Taylor will be a work horse, get more carries and while he may not hit 1909 yards like Henderson he can certainly split the difference.

I heard Taylor has had an excellent off-season, is stronger and may have trimmed his 40.


RUSHING NO-YDS/TD MER GSU USA UCONN UCF TLS HOU NAVY TLN MU ECU SMU UCF WF
Henderson, Darrell 214-1909/22 9-76/1 14-233/2 22-188/2 14-174/3 31-199/1 23-166/2 24-178/2 13-212/3 7-51/1 4-15/0 21-132/2 16-75/0 16-210/3 DNP
Taylor Jr., Patrick 208-1122/16 9-52/1 5-15/0 17-75/2 11-161/3 11-47/0 20-96/1 19-128/2 7-28/0 2-6/0 26-115/2 16-59/1 20-112/2 15-118/1 30-110/1
Pollard, Tony 78-552/6 1-5/0 4-22/0 3-30/1 3-20/0 5-29/1 6-13/0 11-83/1 1-6/0 1-0/0 8-75/0 9-89/2 3-26/0 6-45/0 17-109/

Not any way he can touch Darrell's YPC #s, but not many ever have anywhere really. Patrick already has more carries than Darrell and will likely get at least as many carries again this year. That part really depends on who steps up as the next back and how they do. It would certainly appear Patrick will end up #2 in the all-time rushing yards category because of the # of carries. If he can get a little more burst again this year (he was faster last year than the year before) I could see a 1400 yard year.

(07-12-2019 08:42 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Then you don't understand what our offensive system is all about. It is getting the ball to playmakers in space. It's produced a top 15 offense (Top 10 last two season) since Coach Norvell has been here and will be no different this season.

We take advantage of the opposing team's weakness. I think this year's offense will be even better at doing that than last year. Both because of the changes by our new OC, but a healthy QB will make a big difference.

I’m pretty sure I understand our offense: we pass the ball more (taking out the gimme games) than last year which was a unique, record setting season for our running game with 2 NFL RBs and a 3rd one IMO to give the ball to. I’m sure someone can find total numbers. I would like to see them without the Mercer’s, etc.

I think Brady will be better this year if we use our TEs well and another playmaker besides Coxie steps up at wide out and we could see a great season from the passing game as we did with Lynch and particularly Ferguson who played under Norvell.

We’ve had some good RB through the years but never the depth we see now. While Deangelos and DHs come along rarely for us we have several potentials to fill the gap along side Patrick and we have a good passing game to help keeping the D from cheating the line.

Is White stronger this year giving him an extra 10-15 yards to stretch the field. Some say yes. If so this offense could be as good as we have had. Still some new guys at WR to step up.

I remember a nearly identical thread after Deangelo left postulating that Joe Doss and whoever the other RB could fill the hole Deangelo left and maybe be even more productive. And then a bunch of people agreeing.

Anybody remember that dominating Doss season? He actually had a worse year than when DeAngelo was here.

It doesn’t work like that.

It's good to spread the carries around.

Two different styles, Patrick is a power runner, Darrelle has more speed
However, Patrick will play fine and we'll see him on Sundays
I'm also hearing the Redskins have a strong interest in him

(07-13-2019 09:27 AM)jgardne Wrote:  I remember a nearly identical thread after Deangelo left postulating that Joe Doss and whoever the other RB could fill the hole Deangelo left and maybe be even more productive. And then a bunch of people agreeing.

Anybody remember that dominating Doss season? He actually had a worse year than when DeAngelo was here.

It doesn’t work like that.

Was Doss already a top 10 back in Tiger history that has split carries and production with DeAngelo?

The question is can he match stats, period. Is he the same type back, absolutely not. Is he as big of a home run threat, no... but he can break the long run as well.

Will he push 2,000 yards this season, VERY unlikely. My guess will be between the 1,200-1,400 yard mark which will make him the second leading back of all time. That surpasses DH is total yardage.

(07-12-2019 11:17 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 08:42 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Then you don't understand what our offensive system is all about. It is getting the ball to playmakers in space. It's produced a top 15 offense (Top 10 last two season) since Coach Norvell has been here and will be no different this season.

We take advantage of the opposing team's weakness. I think this year's offense will be even better at doing that than last year. Both because of the changes by our new OC, but a healthy QB will make a big difference.

I’m pretty sure I understand our offense: we pass the ball more (taking out the gimme games) than last year which was a unique, record setting season for our running game with 2 NFL RBs and a 3rd one IMO to give the ball to. I’m sure someone can find total numbers. I would like to see them without the Mercer’s, etc.

I think Brady will be better this year if we use our TEs well and another playmaker besides Coxie steps up at wide out and we could see a great season from the passing game as we did with Lynch and particularly Ferguson who played under Norvell.

2016, we averaged 304 passing, 160 rushing for 464 total per game.
2017, we averaged 335 passing, 199 rushing for 534 total per game.
2018, we averaged 243 passing, 278 rushing for 521 total per game.
However in 2018 we had 42 rushes per game, 2017 35 per game and 2016, 37 per game. It wasn't the amount of rushes that drastically changed, but the production of those rushes.
In 2016, we averaged 36 passes per game, 2017 we averaged 37 passes per game and 2018, 30 passes per game.
So last season, with 2 NFL backs and a 3rd that will be, we averaged 5 more rushes per game.


You can break down the game by game stats if you wish, but we mostly take what the opposing defense gives us. We spread them out and look for the best matchups.
Something to probably look for this season is a return to the screen game that was so extremely successful at times, especially 2017. We don't win two or three of those games without it.

(07-11-2019 09:47 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(07-11-2019 07:00 PM)HarvardTiger Wrote:  if he doesn't have a change of pace RB to split carries with like Henderson had, then no. He'll wear down over the course of the season if he's carrying a heavy load

Taylor has the build to carry the heavy load. Do not see him wearing down. His size will wear down the defenses.

Agreed. He’s going to be a beast.


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I am convinced Gainwell will be very productive and a breakaway speed back with Henderson potential.

(07-13-2019 04:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 11:17 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 08:42 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Then you don't understand what our offensive system is all about. It is getting the ball to playmakers in space. It's produced a top 15 offense (Top 10 last two season) since Coach Norvell has been here and will be no different this season.

We take advantage of the opposing team's weakness. I think this year's offense will be even better at doing that than last year. Both because of the changes by our new OC, but a healthy QB will make a big difference.

I’m pretty sure I understand our offense: we pass the ball more (taking out the gimme games) than last year which was a unique, record setting season for our running game with 2 NFL RBs and a 3rd one IMO to give the ball to. I’m sure someone can find total numbers. I would like to see them without the Mercer’s, etc.

I think Brady will be better this year if we use our TEs well and another playmaker besides Coxie steps up at wide out and we could see a great season from the passing game as we did with Lynch and particularly Ferguson who played under Norvell.

2016, we averaged 304 passing, 160 rushing for 464 total per game.
2017, we averaged 335 passing, 199 rushing for 534 total per game.
2018, we averaged 243 passing, 278 rushing for 521 total per game.
However in 2018 we had 42 rushes per game, 2017 35 per game and 2016, 37 per game. It wasn't the amount of rushes that drastically changed, but the production of those rushes.
In 2016, we averaged 36 passes per game, 2017 we averaged 37 passes per game and 2018, 30 passes per game.
So last season, with 2 NFL backs and a 3rd that will be, we averaged 5 more rushes per game.


You can break down the game by game stats if you wish, but we mostly take what the opposing defense gives us. We spread them out and look for the best matchups.
Something to probably look for this season is a return to the screen game that was so extremely successful at times, especially 2017. We don't win two or three of those games without it.

Those are bigger swings in rushing attempts than you are letting on. 7 more rushes per game is 94 more for the regular season and a 20% increase; also a 28% decline in passing yards. Don’t want to make a huge issue out of this but I expect the numbers to return to something close to 2017 numbers without a Darrell Henderson in the backfield.

(07-13-2019 08:22 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 04:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 11:17 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 08:42 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Then you don't understand what our offensive system is all about. It is getting the ball to playmakers in space. It's produced a top 15 offense (Top 10 last two season) since Coach Norvell has been here and will be no different this season.

We take advantage of the opposing team's weakness. I think this year's offense will be even better at doing that than last year. Both because of the changes by our new OC, but a healthy QB will make a big difference.

I’m pretty sure I understand our offense: we pass the ball more (taking out the gimme games) than last year which was a unique, record setting season for our running game with 2 NFL RBs and a 3rd one IMO to give the ball to. I’m sure someone can find total numbers. I would like to see them without the Mercer’s, etc.

I think Brady will be better this year if we use our TEs well and another playmaker besides Coxie steps up at wide out and we could see a great season from the passing game as we did with Lynch and particularly Ferguson who played under Norvell.

2016, we averaged 304 passing, 160 rushing for 464 total per game.
2017, we averaged 335 passing, 199 rushing for 534 total per game.
2018, we averaged 243 passing, 278 rushing for 521 total per game.
However in 2018 we had 42 rushes per game, 2017 35 per game and 2016, 37 per game. It wasn't the amount of rushes that drastically changed, but the production of those rushes.
In 2016, we averaged 36 passes per game, 2017 we averaged 37 passes per game and 2018, 30 passes per game.
So last season, with 2 NFL backs and a 3rd that will be, we averaged 5 more rushes per game.


You can break down the game by game stats if you wish, but we mostly take what the opposing defense gives us. We spread them out and look for the best matchups.
Something to probably look for this season is a return to the screen game that was so extremely successful at times, especially 2017. We don't win two or three of those games without it.

Those are bigger swings in rushing attempts than you are letting on. 7 more rushes per game is 94 more for the regular season and a 20% increase; also a 28% decline in passing yards. Don’t want to make a huge issue out of this but I expect the numbers to return to something close to 2017 numbers without a Darrell Henderson in the backfield.

Then compare them 2016 numbers. You are attempting to make a big deal out of something that isn't there. DH won't be the primary influence, not nearly much as a healthy Brady White in his second season in the system. Our passing was pretty similar last season to those in 2016. Also, we rushed the ball 59 times in the Houston game, which raised the average for the season by more than 2, which brings it a lot closer to our usual numbers.
And DH was in the backfield in 2017 as well. Rushed for more than 1100 yards.

Which brings me back to the OP.... even in our "greatly changed" passing attack of 2017 according to some, our feature back still rushed for over 1100 yards, which will put PT6 over DH in total yards.
Our offensive philosophy won't change that much this season over the previous two in our run:pass balance. We will likely see more passes this season because of a healthy Brady who is in his second year of the offense with growth at the WR position.

(07-14-2019 10:45 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 08:22 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-13-2019 04:09 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 11:17 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-12-2019 08:42 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  Then you don't understand what our offensive system is all about. It is getting the ball to playmakers in space. It's produced a top 15 offense (Top 10 last two season) since Coach Norvell has been here and will be no different this season.

We take advantage of the opposing team's weakness. I think this year's offense will be even better at doing that than last year. Both because of the changes by our new OC, but a healthy QB will make a big difference.

I’m pretty sure I understand our offense: we pass the ball more (taking out the gimme games) than last year which was a unique, record setting season for our running game with 2 NFL RBs and a 3rd one IMO to give the ball to. I’m sure someone can find total numbers. I would like to see them without the Mercer’s, etc.

I think Brady will be better this year if we use our TEs well and another playmaker besides Coxie steps up at wide out and we could see a great season from the passing game as we did with Lynch and particularly Ferguson who played under Norvell.

2016, we averaged 304 passing, 160 rushing for 464 total per game.
2017, we averaged 335 passing, 199 rushing for 534 total per game.
2018, we averaged 243 passing, 278 rushing for 521 total per game.
However in 2018 we had 42 rushes per game, 2017 35 per game and 2016, 37 per game. It wasn't the amount of rushes that drastically changed, but the production of those rushes.
In 2016, we averaged 36 passes per game, 2017 we averaged 37 passes per game and 2018, 30 passes per game.
So last season, with 2 NFL backs and a 3rd that will be, we averaged 5 more rushes per game.


You can break down the game by game stats if you wish, but we mostly take what the opposing defense gives us. We spread them out and look for the best matchups.
Something to probably look for this season is a return to the screen game that was so extremely successful at times, especially 2017. We don't win two or three of those games without it.

Those are bigger swings in rushing attempts than you are letting on. 7 more rushes per game is 94 more for the regular season and a 20% increase; also a 28% decline in passing yards. Don’t want to make a huge issue out of this but I expect the numbers to return to something close to 2017 numbers without a Darrell Henderson in the backfield.

Then compare them 2016 numbers. You are attempting to make a big deal out of something that isn't there. DH won't be the primary influence, not nearly much as a healthy Brady White in his second season in the system. Our passing was pretty similar last season to those in 2016. Also, we rushed the ball 59 times in the Houston game, which raised the average for the season by more than 2, which brings it a lot closer to our usual numbers.
And DH was in the backfield in 2017 as well. Rushed for more than 1100 yards.

Which brings me back to the OP.... even in our "greatly changed" passing attack of 2017 according to some, our feature back still rushed for over 1100 yards, which will put PT6 over DH in total yards.
Our offensive philosophy won't change that much this season over the previous two in our run:pass balance. We will likely see more passes this season because of a healthy Brady who is in his second year of the offense with growth at the WR position.

Not making a big deal out of anything. But when you lose a back like Henderson along with several jeopardy OL players, I’m guessing rushing yards to go down and passing yards to go up unless Stobart or Rip is coaching the offense.

My sources tell me Patrick will do just fine as I said different type players
Now the 0 line is a different story, hopefully they can bust a hole for Patrick to bust it up the middle

I just have to laugh at people too stubborn to understand the reality of our offense.

It will continue rolling along on virtually the same clip that it has been since Coach Norvell arrived. Look for maybe 5 to 6 more passes per game, unless we really jump an opponent or face a team that can't stop the run. We will be a Top 20 offense once again, but this time should have a pretty salty defense to match up with them.

And just for the record, I think PT6 might just be drafted higher than DH.

Quality thread. Well done folks.

(07-15-2019 07:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I just have to laugh at people too stubborn to understand the reality of our offense.

It will continue rolling along on virtually the same clip that it has been since Coach Norvell arrived. Look for maybe 5 to 6 more passes per game, unless we really jump an opponent or face a team that can't stop the run. We will be a Top 20 offense once again, but this time should have a pretty salty defense to match up with them.

And just for the record, I think PT6 might just be drafted higher than DH.

Im laughing at your inability to tolerate anyone who disagrees with you about Tiger football. You posted stats that saw a 28% decline in our passing yards yet you say our offense won’t change much from last year to this year but it will roll at the same clip as since Novell has been here.

And I like Patrick; just don’t see him going as high as Henderson because he probably isn’t the game changing back (speed, yards after hit, avg yds per carry) that DH was. He can prove me wrong this year.

(07-15-2019 09:53 PM)WiseMan Wrote:  

(07-15-2019 07:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I just have to laugh at people too stubborn to understand the reality of our offense.

It will continue rolling along on virtually the same clip that it has been since Coach Norvell arrived. Look for maybe 5 to 6 more passes per game, unless we really jump an opponent or face a team that can't stop the run. We will be a Top 20 offense once again, but this time should have a pretty salty defense to match up with them.

And just for the record, I think PT6 might just be drafted higher than DH.

Im laughing at your inability to tolerate anyone who disagrees with you about Tiger football. You posted stats that saw a 28% decline in our passing yards yet you say our offense won’t change much from last year to this year but it will roll at the same clip as since Novell has been here.

And I like Patrick; just don’t see him going as high as Henderson because he probably isn’t the game changing back (speed, yards after hit, avg yds per carry) that DH was. He can prove me wrong this year.

A 25% drop since we had a second year All-AAC QB and and AA WR?!! And you act like our offense radically changed. 5 extra rushes per game heading into Houston, sorry but that is no where close to radical. Yes, there was a change in production... but that was about the same change from 2016 to 2017. It was players being more comfortable within Coach Norvell's system. You also don't factor that Brady White played hurt most of the season. Our passing yards will be much bigger this season, but our rushing yards won't drop off that much from the 2016 and 2017 averages, which once again, will likely mean that PT6 is going to break DH's all-time yardage mark and TD mark. Won't come close to yards per carry and likely won't get close to single season.

I could care less if you disagree with me, but I am showing actual stats and you keep countering with perceptions. Especially ones that flow totally in the face of those stats. You refuse to admit that our offense hasn't changed all that much from Norvell's first year until last year. The production has been different and play calling against a couple of opponents was different, but the offensive scheme and system has been largely the same.

Coach Norvell likes running the ball. He would do a greater amount of rushes if he could, but most opponents let us pass too easily. Many of those long TD runs were checks by Brady at the line of scrimmage. They were almost always pass plays he switched to runs, two he changed the blocking and one the direction.

As for PT6, I would say he is much closer to Josh Jacobs or Miles Sanders than he is to DH. Your reasons why he wouldn't like go as high are correct, but neither of those backs had the same things. Both backs were bigger, stronger and could more than likely be the power back the NFL looks to draft. PT6 fills that mold. Now he will have more competition than DH as the other players competing for the Doak Walker, including the winner, will both be juniors this year. Taylor at Wisconsin and Harris at Bama are backs like PT6, so we will see what type season he has.

Patrick Taylor will be very reliable and productive, but he will not have the long runs the DH was able to produce. He will not be as productive as he was in the past unless coach finds a complimentary back to change the pace. I really like Gainwell and hear that the JUCO RB might be the answer. With skills PT has shown at pass blocking it will be a good thing for the passing game that he is on the field even more this season..

I hope PT has a great year and goes early in the draft. He has the body, the skills, and the dedication to earn a living playing the game he obviously loves. League coaches appreciate the kind of skills he has demonstrated.

(07-16-2019 06:00 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Patrick Taylor will be very reliable and productive, but he will not have the long runs the DH was able to produce. He will not be as productive as he was in the past unless coach finds a complimentary back to change the pace. I really like Gainwell and hear that the JUCO RB might be the answer. With skills PT has shown at pass blocking it will be a good thing for the passing game that he is on the field even more this season..

I hope PT has a great year and goes early in the draft. He has the body, the skills, and the dedication to earn a living playing the game he obviously loves. League coaches appreciate the kind of skills he has demonstrated.

Don't sleep on Clark, he was a beast in MS ball. I think our depth this season will shock some people.

I haven't had time to fully research, but he had a lot more carriers of 20+ yards than I thought. While he isn't in the class of DH as far as breakaway speak, he sure had quite a few long runs... sometimes because he flattened the DB that was trying to tackle him.

He's on the Doak an Maxwell list, but even more exciting to me is that he is on a list for AllState Goodworks Team. Which means he is another ambassador off the field as well as on it!!