Quote:Seventy percent of Democrats say “some form of socialism” would be a “good thing” for the U.S., according to a new Gallup survey.

While socialism is popular among Democratic voters, a majority of voters overall, 51%, say embracing it would be bad for the country, the Gallup survey found.

Just 25% of Democrats said some form of socialism would be “a bad thing for the country as a whole,” according to the survey, which Gallup released Monday.

Among Republicans, 84% of respondents said that embracing some form of socialism would be bad for the U.S.. A plurality of independents, 48%, said the same.

The survey, which was conducted April 17-30 and had a margin of error of six percentage points, marked even more enthusiastic support for socialism among Democrats than in Gallup’s 2018 survey on the same subject.

The survey that year found that 57% of Democrats had a favorable view of socialism. That survey also marked the first time that Democrats had a more favorable view of socialism than capitalism.

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No surprise. Dems are losers who want to the government to take care of them because they fail at life. Repubs fear it because it will take from them. *uses his best donald trump voice*

They probably have no idea what socialism truly is. Still scary AF.

But, but, but....I thought all the leftists said it was Republicans who had moved so far away from the center?

(05-21-2019 04:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  They probably have no idea what socialism truly is. Still scary AF.

They don’t. Their leading examples are FDR and Sweden, not Krushchev and the Soviet Union. The problem with this is they keep advocating for something which more closely resembles the latter rather than the former. Making it worse is the endless echo chamber they live in, where they try to outdo each other in leaning left.

(05-21-2019 05:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  But, but, but....I thought all the leftists said it was Republicans who had moved so far away from the center?

Not sure who said that, but whoever it was, they are dead wrong. Look at the white lines.

Source: Pew Research

(05-21-2019 10:26 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  They probably have no idea what socialism truly is. Still scary AF.

They don’t. Their leading examples are FDR and Sweden, not Krushchev and the Soviet Union. The problem with this is they keep advocating for something which more closely resembles the latter rather than the former. Making it worse is the endless echo chamber they live in, where they try to outdo each other in leaning left.

This.

That is the whole problem with the likes of Bernie and AOC and their ilk. They keep saying they want Sweden, but the specific policies they advocate are closer to the Soviets or Cuba. The big difference is the focus on government redistribution of income and wealth. That is not a major factor in Sweden, or anywhere else in Europe, for that matter. Their approach is capitalism with a safety net. Everybody benefits, and everybody pays. The democrats say, oh, we don't want to be like Russia, we don't want secret police and gulags. Except one problem. You don't do massive redistribution without force, and that's where the secret police and the gulags become necessary.

(05-21-2019 10:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 05:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  But, but, but....I thought all the leftists said it was Republicans who had moved so far away from the center?

Not sure who said that, but whoever it was, they are dead wrong. Look at the white lines.

Source: Pew Research

That is a good example. Ironically under socialism neither Gallup or Pew Research would exist.

Hey Light Brights.....


What do you think Social Security, MediCare, and Medicaid are?????????

It's too bad they don't have an X (traditional Left right) and a Y graph ( O point with the median IQ of 100) with the quadrants. Graph a scatter plot of lib/cons vs. IQ. This room would solidly be in Quadrant 4.



https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-securi...l-security

Nearly nine in ten Americans (85%) say Social Security is more important than ever to ensure that retirees have a dependable income. ... About 8 in 10 (77%) say it is critical to preserve Social Security even if it means increasing the Social Security taxes paid by working Americans.


but muh socialism......................................

(05-22-2019 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hey Light Brights.....


What do you think Social Security, MediCare, and Medicaid are?????????

It's too bad they don't have an X (traditional Left right) and a Y graph ( O point with the median IQ of 100) with the quadrants. Graph a scatter plot of lib/cons vs. IQ. This room would solidly be in Quadrant 4.



https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-securi...l-security

Nearly nine in ten Americans (85%) say Social Security is more important than ever to ensure that retirees have a dependable income. ... About 8 in 10 (77%) say it is critical to preserve Social Security even if it means increasing the Social Security taxes paid by working Americans.


but muh socialism......................................

SS isn't socialism. Speaking of low IQ..................................

(05-22-2019 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hey Light Brights.....


What do you think Social Security, MediCare, and Medicaid are?????????

It's too bad they don't have an X (traditional Left right) and a Y graph ( O point with the median IQ of 100) with the quadrants. Graph a scatter plot of lib/cons vs. IQ. This room would solidly be in Quadrant 4.



https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-securi...l-security

Nearly nine in ten Americans (85%) say Social Security is more important than ever to ensure that retirees have a dependable income. ... About 8 in 10 (77%) say it is critical to preserve Social Security even if it means increasing the Social Security taxes paid by working Americans.


but muh socialism......................................

Drains on the welfare of the general public. They could be something more than this, but that would require our government set up a system where they couldn’t intervene in the day to day or month to month operations of the system. We, of course, could demand such a system, as the Scandinavians themselves did, but that would require people actually voting for such a system. We won’t ever have to actually worry about that, though, as our nation is now full of fools like you who put their entire faith in the “I’ll give you everything you want if you just give me more power” clique of the increasingly far left.

(05-22-2019 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hey Light Brights.....


What do you think Social Security, MediCare, and Medicaid are?????????

It's too bad they don't have an X (traditional Left right) and a Y graph ( O point with the median IQ of 100) with the quadrants. Graph a scatter plot of lib/cons vs. IQ. This room would solidly be in Quadrant 4.



https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-securi...l-security

Nearly nine in ten Americans (85%) say Social Security is more important than ever to ensure that retirees have a dependable income. ... About 8 in 10 (77%) say it is critical to preserve Social Security even if it means increasing the Social Security taxes paid by working Americans.


but muh socialism......................................

Well, look who has graced us with his presence and the gift of his high IQ. where you been Mach? A lot has gone on since you were last here.

Speaking of high IQ, would the leftist here please explain to the rest of us exactly what their form of socialism would look like? And without referencing some other small insignificant country.

(05-22-2019 03:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 10:26 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 04:56 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  They probably have no idea what socialism truly is. Still scary AF.

They don’t. Their leading examples are FDR and Sweden, not Krushchev and the Soviet Union. The problem with this is they keep advocating for something which more closely resembles the latter rather than the former. Making it worse is the endless echo chamber they live in, where they try to outdo each other in leaning left.

This.

That is the whole problem with the likes of Bernie and AOC and their ilk. They keep saying they want Sweden, but the specific policies they advocate are closer to the Soviets or Cuba. The big difference is the focus on government redistribution of income and wealth. That is not a major factor in Sweden, or anywhere else in Europe, for that matter. Their approach is capitalism with a safety net. Everybody benefits, and everybody pays. The democrats say, oh, we don't want to be like Russia, we don't want secret police and gulags. Except one problem. You don't do massive redistribution without force, and that's where the secret police and the gulags become necessary.

This all day long.

Why are the secret police and gulags necessary?....... because the morons that clamor for it initially eventually figure out it doesn't deliver on what is promised. In fact, every time and everywhere it's been tried it fails miserably and those in power use the secret police and gulags to keep the miserable, unhappy dumb a$$es in line so they can stay in power..........

It's pretty simple. Sell the lemmings on a false "utopia", then control them with a police/prison apparatus to stay in power.

Venezuela....the latest warning to anyone paying attention. How can people be so easily enslaved by their own greed, ignorance and laziness?

(05-21-2019 04:44 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Seventy percent of Democrats say “some form of socialism” would be a “good thing” for the U.S., according to a new Gallup survey.

While socialism is popular among Democratic voters, a majority of voters overall, 51%, say embracing it would be bad for the country, the Gallup survey found.

Just 25% of Democrats said some form of socialism would be “a bad thing for the country as a whole,” according to the survey, which Gallup released Monday.

Among Republicans, 84% of respondents said that embracing some form of socialism would be bad for the U.S.. A plurality of independents, 48%, said the same.

The survey, which was conducted April 17-30 and had a margin of error of six percentage points, marked even more enthusiastic support for socialism among Democrats than in Gallup’s 2018 survey on the same subject.

The survey that year found that 57% of Democrats had a favorable view of socialism. That survey also marked the first time that Democrats had a more favorable view of socialism than capitalism.

Link

Failure of education.

(05-22-2019 06:50 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-22-2019 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hey Light Brights.....


What do you think Social Security, MediCare, and Medicaid are?????????

It's too bad they don't have an X (traditional Left right) and a Y graph ( O point with the median IQ of 100) with the quadrants. Graph a scatter plot of lib/cons vs. IQ. This room would solidly be in Quadrant 4.



https://www.nasi.org/learn/social-securi...l-security

Nearly nine in ten Americans (85%) say Social Security is more important than ever to ensure that retirees have a dependable income. ... About 8 in 10 (77%) say it is critical to preserve Social Security even if it means increasing the Social Security taxes paid by working Americans.


but muh socialism......................................

SS isn't socialism. Speaking of low IQ..................................

Social Security isnt socialism.....................

Did you eat paint chips as a kid?

(05-21-2019 10:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-21-2019 05:01 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  But, but, but....I thought all the leftists said it was Republicans who had moved so far away from the center?

Not sure who said that, but whoever it was, they are dead wrong. Look at the white lines.

Source: Pew Research

Going from about a 2/3 overlap to about 40%.

and Venezuela................

The first things righties do when they come into power is put places like Cuba and Venezuela through economic sanction so their minions can say.

hey look muh socialism....... It doesn't work..............

Tale as old as time................

(05-22-2019 07:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  and Venezuela................

The first things righties do when they come into power is put places like Cuba and Venezuela through economic sanction so their minions can say.

hey look muh socialism....... It doesn't work..............

Tale as old as time................

Wut?

Obamacare/ACA is a good example of a failed Socialist program.