(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’d give Memphis the edge over usf if nothing else for geographical relevance. One thing is for certain, usf doesn’t get any invite on its own. It’d need for UCF to be offered to be considered as a pair. However UCF could get in on its volition.

Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Honest question. Do you think USF got the big east invite because of what you had accomplished something special or will you admit that at the time you were considered the best option at the time for the the big east to get back into Florida? You guys were kinda like Rutgers going to the big10.

(05-07-2019 08:53 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 12:34 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(05-06-2019 08:47 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 01:58 PM)Radicalman7 Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 01:30 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  FIFY

^^^This is the correct representation of the facts!^^^

This thread is getting a little old. I'll just drop these facts and restate my point. North Texas will continue to pay our coaches at the rate of AAC programs.

UNT will commit to increasing football salaries by around half a million dollars for next season. UNT is finalizing a new raise for Seth Littrell that will increase his current contract of $1.425 million per season, and will raise our $1.72 million assistant coaches pool too. If I had to guess, I'd think Littrell will make around $1.65 million and the coaches pool will be around $2 million next season.

From the article linked below....

The North Texas board of regents will consider a contract extension for head football coach Seth Littrell during its next series of meetings scheduled for May 23-24.

“The momentum we have in football is carrying over to the rest of the department,” Baker said. “It’s important to continue to invest in football. We will continue to do that so that we are competitive not only in Conference USA, but also in the Group of Five.”

“When your expense category grows, you keep a mindful eye on it, but our revenue category is growing as well,” Baker said. “We are seeing substantial growth in ticket sales and donations. We feel really good about that.”

The program’s overall salary pool for Littrell, his on-field assistants and off-field personnel is increasing by about a half-million dollars, Baker said.

https://www.dentonrc.com/sports/unt-rege...f405c.html

There is no more group of five! And at some point you hit a wall of where we gonna keep getting this money from. What you do today will not sustain you tomorrow if you can't find a way to increase revenue above spending. Good luck to your program though.

Unless I missed the announcement, The AAC, MWC, C-USA, MAC, & Sun Belt are all eligible for the access bowl. Sure the AAC has the inside track, but they don't have a lock on it either.

As for resources... that is a situation that is unique to each university. North Texas is blessed to be one of the largest public universities in Texas, a state that continues to grow it's very large economy. Winning is certainly helping to raise funds at an unprecedented rate for UNT. And, we have over 100,000 alums living within a hour's drive of our campus. We may hit a wall, but that will not be until the booming North Texas economy cools off. And, I believe most other regions of the nation will be hit long before it happens in Texas and effects us.

You are right though, what we do today will not sustain us tomorrow. That is why we are not being stagnant. We have plans in place to continue building and growing, not only our facilities and budgets, but our revenue streams, alumni support, and overall regional support. And, these plans are not contingent on what our media deal pays us or our conference affiliation.

What makes your post crazy is that you are absolutely comparing yesterday (your school) to a known future (our schools). We already received more than you today (media rights). We will receive even more than you (Media rights) tomorrow. Your schools media rights will not increase substantially enough for you to keep up your spending on coaches indefinitely, and without continued financial support at the levels of schools who make more than you. This is what a fact sounds like!

You suggest that your school will counter by continuously raising mystery funds at the levels of schools well above you for years to come. This is just absolute retarded. That's all that can be said about it. This is simple math and there is no way around it!

(05-08-2019 12:56 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’d give Memphis the edge over usf if nothing else for geographical relevance. One thing is for certain, usf doesn’t get any invite on its own. It’d need for UCF to be offered to be considered as a pair. However UCF could get in on its volition.

Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Honest question. Do you think USF got the big east invite because of what you had accomplished something special or will you admit that at the time you were considered the best option at the time for the the big east to get back into Florida? You guys were kinda like Rutgers going to the big10.

I think we beat out many schools based on many factors, one of which that was specifically stated was that they wanted a school that wouldnt be an embarrassment academically. the Catholic 7 were insistent on having a quality education addition.
I only say that because it was specifically mentioned. Just like in the Big 12 Iowa State and Kansas are both AAU and want to associate with quality.

Ever notice the finalist to be added to the Big 12 were mostly research institutes or high ranked academic schools?

Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane were the finalists.

Rice and Tulane are AAU
USF, UCF, Cinci, CSU, Uconn, Temple and Houston I know are Tier 1 research institutes.
Air force, BYU, and SMU are all respected academic institutes. what I do know is that none of them are low ranked academically. Its the one single factor that we all shared.

Notice that Boise St and Memphis were eliminated... ya know what they have in common?

(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’d give Memphis the edge over usf if nothing else for geographical relevance. One thing is for certain, usf doesn’t get any invite on its own. It’d need for UCF to be offered to be considered as a pair. However UCF could get in on its volition.

Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Usf has its own selling points but I don’t believe performance in the BE is one.

(05-08-2019 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:54 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:00 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  You want to mention weather... we have Fwking Hurricanes. 3 of them came through during our season last year. That does indeed put a bit of a damper on our attendance too... along with Noon time games that have on field temperatures of over 100. It was 115 on the field the last game I was at. So please dont use weather. Were in Florida. Yall dont even know.

Yeah... I can tell you've never been to Memphis in August and September. But guess what... I HAVE been to Tampa in August and September. It is YOU, sir, who "dont even know". Here's a fun-fact. Tampa FL has NEVER reached 100 degrees F since weather records have been kept.

Tell you what. You come up here for our Ole' Miss game this coming season and experience our heat in pretty much ZERO wind and 80% humidity, and THEN you can talk about comparing our weather to yours.

(all that being said, yes, our fans are a bunch of puzzies who don't like to get wet.)

LOL, now we're arguing about weather.

For the record, Tampa is one of the most miserable places in summer. The combo of heat and humidity is never ending. Yes, the actual temp may only be in the 90's. That's because a large body of water artificially holds it down a little. But the humidity is FAR higher than Memphis, which sits hundreds of miles away from any large body of water. The heat index in Tampa is over 100 degrees EVERY SINGLE DAY in summer, and many days over 110. It is also never ending, lasting well into Oct and November, when Memphis is drastically cooling down. The hot season in Tampa lasts virtually all year, save a few months around Dec - Mar when it is actually comfortable. Anyone arguing their city is hotter (real feel, not air temp), has never lived in Tampa or doesn't have a clue about heat indexes.

This proves you don't know what the eff you are talking about.

(05-08-2019 05:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:54 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:00 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  You want to mention weather... we have Fwking Hurricanes. 3 of them came through during our season last year. That does indeed put a bit of a damper on our attendance too... along with Noon time games that have on field temperatures of over 100. It was 115 on the field the last game I was at. So please dont use weather. Were in Florida. Yall dont even know.

Yeah... I can tell you've never been to Memphis in August and September. But guess what... I HAVE been to Tampa in August and September. It is YOU, sir, who "dont even know". Here's a fun-fact. Tampa FL has NEVER reached 100 degrees F since weather records have been kept.

Tell you what. You come up here for our Ole' Miss game this coming season and experience our heat in pretty much ZERO wind and 80% humidity, and THEN you can talk about comparing our weather to yours.

(all that being said, yes, our fans are a bunch of puzzies who don't like to get wet.)

LOL, now we're arguing about weather.

For the record, Tampa is one of the most miserable places in summer. The combo of heat and humidity is never ending. Yes, the actual temp may only be in the 90's. That's because a large body of water artificially holds it down a little. But the humidity is FAR higher than Memphis, which sits hundreds of miles away from any large body of water. The heat index in Tampa is over 100 degrees EVERY SINGLE DAY in summer, and many days over 110. It is also never ending, lasting well into Oct and November, when Memphis is drastically cooling down. The hot season in Tampa lasts virtually all year, save a few months around Dec - Mar when it is actually comfortable. Anyone arguing their city is hotter (real feel, not air temp), has never lived in Tampa or doesn't have a clue about heat indexes.

This proves you don't know what the eff you are talking about.

Meteorology 101. Any place on a body of water is going to be more humid than a place hundreds of miles away from one. Learn basic weather facts.

(05-08-2019 05:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 05:46 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:54 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:00 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  You want to mention weather... we have Fwking Hurricanes. 3 of them came through during our season last year. That does indeed put a bit of a damper on our attendance too... along with Noon time games that have on field temperatures of over 100. It was 115 on the field the last game I was at. So please dont use weather. Were in Florida. Yall dont even know.

Yeah... I can tell you've never been to Memphis in August and September. But guess what... I HAVE been to Tampa in August and September. It is YOU, sir, who "dont even know". Here's a fun-fact. Tampa FL has NEVER reached 100 degrees F since weather records have been kept.

Tell you what. You come up here for our Ole' Miss game this coming season and experience our heat in pretty much ZERO wind and 80% humidity, and THEN you can talk about comparing our weather to yours.

(all that being said, yes, our fans are a bunch of puzzies who don't like to get wet.)

LOL, now we're arguing about weather.

For the record, Tampa is one of the most miserable places in summer. The combo of heat and humidity is never ending. Yes, the actual temp may only be in the 90's. That's because a large body of water artificially holds it down a little. But the humidity is FAR higher than Memphis, which sits hundreds of miles away from any large body of water. The heat index in Tampa is over 100 degrees EVERY SINGLE DAY in summer, and many days over 110. It is also never ending, lasting well into Oct and November, when Memphis is drastically cooling down. The hot season in Tampa lasts virtually all year, save a few months around Dec - Mar when it is actually comfortable. Anyone arguing their city is hotter (real feel, not air temp), has never lived in Tampa or doesn't have a clue about heat indexes.

This proves you don't know what the eff you are talking about.

Meteorology 101. Any place on a body of water is going to be more humid than a place hundreds of miles away from one. Learn basic weather facts.

Here's some basic facts for you:

year || opening game || high temp || high humidity

2013 Duke 95 88% Sept 7th

2014 Austin Peay 81 100% August 30th (rained)

2015 Missouri State 91 57% Sept 5th

2016 SE Missouri St. 88 69% Sept 3rd

2017 (opener was a Thursday night game)
second game UCLA 88 83% Sept 16th

2018 Mercer 91 88% Sept 1st


Here are some more basic facts for you:

Memphis average high in the month of August - 91 ... September - 86

Memphis average humidity:


Record high temp in the Memphis - Mid-south area - 116 on July 4th 1980 (p.s., it was over 100F at midnight that night).

Here's Tampa (as you can see, not a lot of difference):


The difference is, we are in a lush green delta, where there is NO WIND. When it is 102F and the humidity is @ 88% here, there is no relief. At least being in Tampa, there are the coastal winds to give you SOME relief.

Yeah, we have heat indices in the 100s on the daily here too. You are just ignorant of my regional weather, and that's alright. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just admit you were wrong and go about your business.

Well this thread is officially off the rails.

(05-08-2019 06:54 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Well this thread is officially off the rails.

Lol, lessons in weather indexes. Never thought I would see that in a sports forum!

(05-08-2019 04:52 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 12:56 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’d give Memphis the edge over usf if nothing else for geographical relevance. One thing is for certain, usf doesn’t get any invite on its own. It’d need for UCF to be offered to be considered as a pair. However UCF could get in on its volition.

Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Honest question. Do you think USF got the big east invite because of what you had accomplished something special or will you admit that at the time you were considered the best option at the time for the the big east to get back into Florida? You guys were kinda like Rutgers going to the big10.

I think we beat out many schools based on many factors, one of which that was specifically stated was that they wanted a school that wouldnt be an embarrassment academically. the Catholic 7 were insistent on having a quality education addition.
I only say that because it was specifically mentioned. Just like in the Big 12 Iowa State and Kansas are both AAU and want to associate with quality.

Ever notice the finalist to be added to the Big 12 were mostly research institutes or high ranked academic schools?

Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane were the finalists.

Rice and Tulane are AAU
USF, UCF, Cinci, CSU, Uconn, Temple and Houston I know are Tier 1 research institutes.
Air force, BYU, and SMU are all respected academic institutes. what I do know is that none of them are low ranked academically. Its the one single factor that we all shared.

Notice that Boise St and Memphis were eliminated... ya know what they have in common?

Apparently, some of you guys didnt understand that last round of expansion. It was never going to happen without Memphis. It was going to be Memphis and someone else. The moment the B12 said Memphis was eliminated was the moment everyone else was eliminated. Notice how it played out?

(05-08-2019 09:29 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 09:00 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 03:02 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 12:15 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-07-2019 11:42 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  While you posted the actual attendance of each Memphis game, I see you did not list your team's actual attendance per game.

Here it is:

usf 2018 football attendance
Announced vs Actual
Vs Elon: 31,217 (21,698)
Vs Ga Tech: 34,182 (25,801)
Vs ECU: 34,562 (26,946)
Vs UCONN 42,127 (30,473)
Vs Tulane 31,388 (21,010)
Vs UCF 57,626 (47,104)

Announced Average 38,517
Actual Average 28,838

But yes...that was still a major increase from prior years...(hosting tons of UCF Fans on Black Friday definitely helps with your season average).

I didn't have the figures readily available when I posted, but yes, everyone knows the USF/UCF game is going to be boosted attendance wise. No secret there. We host UCF every other years so that will happen frequently.

Thanks for the updated stats. Kind of proved my point. USF attendance, whether announced or actual, whichever you choose to use, was better than Memphis' attendance. That was my point...a rebuttal to a Memphis fan who said otherwise.

Did you actually looked at that crappy schedule compared
USF? That and terrible weather put a dent in last season totals. I was reluctant to respond because I realized you were stat twisting, but I'm curious why didn't you use a 3-6 year sample size? I bet I know why. Why didn't you use basketball attendance or basketball performance. All of this information is easily available and I think you'll find that Memphis is beating USF in every metric that would matter in some very unlikely big12 expansion, and market size is not as important now because the business model has changed. There will be no more conference networks forcing mandatory fees on entire populations, so no more Rutgers like teams sneaking up.

You want to mention weather... we have Fwking Hurricanes. 3 of them came through during our season last year. That does indeed put a bit of a damper on our attendance too... along with Noon time games that have on field temperatures of over 100. It was 115 on the field the last game I was at. So please dont use weather. Were in Florida. Yall dont even know.

there is ONE major reason that Memphis didnt make the cut (and mind you, I WANT Memphis in the Big 12 with USF) but your academics are roughly equal to the lowest ranked public University in Florida.
You cant even compare. UCF (who I hate to help) is a Tier 1 research University that does Ok on research with a couple Hundred million in spending.... and they cant even touch what USF does.

You seem to think that Basketball and moderate success in football will make a college President want Memphis over USF. Presidents dont give a crap about sports as much as they do with aligning with TOP educational institutes and Memphis isnt one.

Last I checked, USF does more research and gets more research dollars (and patents on that research, which is a major measurement of quality) than any other school in the AAC. In Public schools, we are #25 in the nation for Research and have been top 10 in patents for the past 5-6 years. ADs do not choose conferences. Presidents do and that is why we made it into the Big East and why we were on the short list for Big 12 expansion. Memphis was on neither. Over 20 years apart were those two events and nothing has changed. That should tell you all you need to know.

I know I am being harsh, and dont take it as I dont love Memphis. Outside of my Big East brethren, Cinci and Uconn, Memphis and Houston are my two favorites and I hope we all remain together in the future.

btw... USF and UCF made the short list both times.

I don't think you're being harsh because I don't agree with any of your stat twisting. I can guarantee you one thing though, if the big12 were to ever break up and go into scramble mode athletic prominence will drastically outweigh academic perceptions.

This. It would be markets, brand, winning all that stuff first.

(05-08-2019 06:54 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Well this thread is officially off the rails.

Speaking of off the rails, has anybody heard anything about how well the Mt. West is tearing it up in contract negotiations?

(05-08-2019 11:43 PM)Fishpro10987 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 06:54 PM)zoocrew Wrote:  Well this thread is officially off the rails.

Speaking of off the rails, has anybody heard anything about how well the Mt. West is tearing it up in contract negotiations?

Heard they pinned ESPN down to two Monday morning games a week on ESPN News and extra fruit cups in the locker rooms.

(05-08-2019 04:52 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 12:56 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’d give Memphis the edge over usf if nothing else for geographical relevance. One thing is for certain, usf doesn’t get any invite on its own. It’d need for UCF to be offered to be considered as a pair. However UCF could get in on its volition.

Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Honest question. Do you think USF got the big east invite because of what you had accomplished something special or will you admit that at the time you were considered the best option at the time for the the big east to get back into Florida? You guys were kinda like Rutgers going to the big10.

I think we beat out many schools based on many factors, one of which that was specifically stated was that they wanted a school that wouldnt be an embarrassment academically. the Catholic 7 were insistent on having a quality education addition.
I only say that because it was specifically mentioned. Just like in the Big 12 Iowa State and Kansas are both AAU and want to associate with quality.

Ever notice the finalist to be added to the Big 12 were mostly research institutes or high ranked academic schools?

Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane were the finalists.

Rice and Tulane are AAU
USF, UCF, Cinci, CSU, Uconn, Temple and Houston I know are Tier 1 research institutes.
Air force, BYU, and SMU are all respected academic institutes. what I do know is that none of them are low ranked academically. Its the one single factor that we all shared.

Notice that Boise St and Memphis were eliminated... ya know what they have in common?

What I noticed was that the big12 finalists list was a crock of $#!+ because they never had any intentions of actually expanding anyway and the crazier the list looked the more they knew that they were putting the screws to ESPN for more money. So if you think USF and Rice and whatcha call it state U. Ever meant diddly squat to them over Memphis then you're mistaken. Try actually winning your east division once before you claim superiority over teams accomplishing more than you. USF!! That beacon of academia in the south LOLOL.

(05-09-2019 08:28 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:52 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 12:56 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:27 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I’d give Memphis the edge over usf if nothing else for geographical relevance. One thing is for certain, usf doesn’t get any invite on its own. It’d need for UCF to be offered to be considered as a pair. However UCF could get in on its volition.

Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Honest question. Do you think USF got the big east invite because of what you had accomplished something special or will you admit that at the time you were considered the best option at the time for the the big east to get back into Florida? You guys were kinda like Rutgers going to the big10.

I think we beat out many schools based on many factors, one of which that was specifically stated was that they wanted a school that wouldnt be an embarrassment academically. the Catholic 7 were insistent on having a quality education addition.
I only say that because it was specifically mentioned. Just like in the Big 12 Iowa State and Kansas are both AAU and want to associate with quality.

Ever notice the finalist to be added to the Big 12 were mostly research institutes or high ranked academic schools?

Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane were the finalists.

Rice and Tulane are AAU
USF, UCF, Cinci, CSU, Uconn, Temple and Houston I know are Tier 1 research institutes.
Air force, BYU, and SMU are all respected academic institutes. what I do know is that none of them are low ranked academically. Its the one single factor that we all shared.

Notice that Boise St and Memphis were eliminated... ya know what they have in common?

What I noticed was that the big12 finalists list was a crock of $#!+ because they never had any intentions of actually expanding anyway and the crazier the list looked the more they knew that they were putting the screws to ESPN for more money. So if you think USF and Rice and whatcha call it state U. Ever meant diddly squat to them over Memphis then you're mistaken. Try actually winning your east division once before you claim superiority over teams accomplishing more than you. USF!! That beacon of academia in the south LOLOL.

Memphis fans have to find a way to lick their wounds... must hurt not being a finalist BOTH times. When Air Force and Rice beat you out, it has to hurt... so believe what you will but the rest of us who were actually considered know the truth.

UCF wasnt selected to teh Big east but at least they were in the finalist for the Big east and again with the Big 12. USF got selected both times... Memphis wasnt ever. So, Ya I think the two of us will make it into the bIg 12 long before Memphis is considered.

(05-09-2019 01:41 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-09-2019 08:28 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 04:52 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 12:56 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-08-2019 11:43 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Id disagree. We made it into the Big east without yall and did just fine. Do I think either of us will go alone, nope but in a theoretical world where UCF doesn't exist, I still think a top ranked academic school in the #11 DMA has a pretty solid chance over anyone.

and for UCFs ups, yall have had MASSIVE downs and enough controversy to scare people. NCAA sanctions were actually mentioned as a criteria of exclusion when the Big 12 was talking. Essentially, yall have some great features but you also have some warts, just like all of us. Nobody made it in.

With that said, Ive shifted from wanting to get away from UCF to embracing the rivalry. We hate you, but its also fun and makes the game have so much meaning.... but we also have a weird bond. My heart hurt for Milton when he went down. As much as I hate UCF, I am rooting for the kid.

Honest question. Do you think USF got the big east invite because of what you had accomplished something special or will you admit that at the time you were considered the best option at the time for the the big east to get back into Florida? You guys were kinda like Rutgers going to the big10.

I think we beat out many schools based on many factors, one of which that was specifically stated was that they wanted a school that wouldnt be an embarrassment academically. the Catholic 7 were insistent on having a quality education addition.
I only say that because it was specifically mentioned. Just like in the Big 12 Iowa State and Kansas are both AAU and want to associate with quality.

Ever notice the finalist to be added to the Big 12 were mostly research institutes or high ranked academic schools?

Air Force, BYU, UCF, Cincinnati, Colorado State, UConn, Houston, Rice, South Florida, SMU, Temple and Tulane were the finalists.

Rice and Tulane are AAU
USF, UCF, Cinci, CSU, Uconn, Temple and Houston I know are Tier 1 research institutes.
Air force, BYU, and SMU are all respected academic institutes. what I do know is that none of them are low ranked academically. Its the one single factor that we all shared.

Notice that Boise St and Memphis were eliminated... ya know what they have in common?

What I noticed was that the big12 finalists list was a crock of $#!+ because they never had any intentions of actually expanding anyway and the crazier the list looked the more they knew that they were putting the screws to ESPN for more money. So if you think USF and Rice and whatcha call it state U. Ever meant diddly squat to them over Memphis then you're mistaken. Try actually winning your east division once before you claim superiority over teams accomplishing more than you. USF!! That beacon of academia in the south LOLOL.

Memphis fans have to find a way to lick their wounds... must hurt not being a finalist BOTH times. When Air Force and Rice beat you out, it has to hurt... so believe what you will but the rest of us who were actually considered know the truth.

UCF wasnt selected to teh Big east but at least they were in the finalist for the Big east and again with the Big 12. USF got selected both times... Memphis wasnt ever. So, Ya I think the two of us will make it into the bIg 12 long before Memphis is considered.

Ya'll actually argue over a sport designed for women?

If so, this is a very foolish look amongst yourselves.

I'm only updating this information because some on this thread thought I was delusional when I made my post about North Texas keeping up with the spending of AAC programs. Here are the most current head coaching salaries....

AAC Dana Holgerson Houston $4,000,000
AAC Mike Norvell Memphis $2,600,000
AAC Charlie Strong South Florida $2,500,000
AAC Ken Niumatalolo Navy $2,163,000
AAC Luke Fickell Cincinnati $2,000,000
C-USA Seth Littrell North Texas $1,800,000+
AAC Josh Heupel Central Florida $1,700,000
AAC Willie Fritz Tulane $1,629,000
AAC Philip Montgomery Tulsa $1,518,177
AAC Scottie Montgomery East Carolina $1,102,500
AAC Randy Edsall Connecticut $1,100,000

Our coaching staff also received an additional $500,000 in salaries too. that raises their pool to around $2,220,000, which is also well within the assistant pools of the AAC.

Will some of the AAC programs use any of their new media finances to try and create separation?

(07-04-2019 12:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I'm only updating this information because some on this thread thought I was delusional when I made my post about North Texas keeping up with the spending of AAC programs. Here are the most current head coaching salaries....

AAC Dana Holgerson Houston $4,000,000
AAC Mike Norvell Memphis $2,600,000
AAC Charlie Strong South Florida $2,500,000
AAC Ken Niumatalolo Navy $2,163,000
AAC Luke Fickell Cincinnati $2,000,000
C-USA Seth Littrell North Texas $1,800,000+
AAC Josh Heupel Central Florida $1,700,000
AAC Willie Fritz Tulane $1,629,000
AAC Philip Montgomery Tulsa $1,518,177
AAC Scottie Montgomery East Carolina $1,102,500
AAC Randy Edsall Connecticut $1,100,000

Our coaching staff also received an additional $500,000 in salaries too. that raises their pool to around $2,220,000, which is also well within the assistant pools of the AAC.

Will some of the AAC programs use any of their new media finances to try and create separation?

There already is separation, notice the successful and longer tenured coaches are above 2m.

Heupel a brand new coach in his first year with UCF is making approximately what your coach is making on a raise.

Phillip Montgomery had to give up his raise that would have put him in 1.7-1.8.

ECU's coach moved up a division and made more than Monty did last year.

And we all see what UConn did to its football contract.

Again you aren't keeping up, you are trying to catch up, that's a big difference, you are also doing so in one program and with quite a bit of subsidie (not the only one even in the AAC) which likely is unsustainable and you're still just trying to catch the AAC.

(07-04-2019 03:26 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(07-04-2019 12:06 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  I'm only updating this information because some on this thread thought I was delusional when I made my post about North Texas keeping up with the spending of AAC programs. Here are the most current head coaching salaries....

AAC Dana Holgerson Houston $4,000,000
AAC Mike Norvell Memphis $2,600,000
AAC Charlie Strong South Florida $2,500,000
AAC Ken Niumatalolo Navy $2,163,000
AAC Luke Fickell Cincinnati $2,000,000
C-USA Seth Littrell North Texas $1,800,000+
AAC Josh Heupel Central Florida $1,700,000
AAC Willie Fritz Tulane $1,629,000
AAC Philip Montgomery Tulsa $1,518,177
AAC Scottie Montgomery East Carolina $1,102,500
AAC Randy Edsall Connecticut $1,100,000

Our coaching staff also received an additional $500,000 in salaries too. that raises their pool to around $2,220,000, which is also well within the assistant pools of the AAC.

Will some of the AAC programs use any of their new media finances to try and create separation?

There already is separation, notice the successful and longer tenured coaches are above 2m.

Heupel a brand new coach in his first year with UCF is making approximately what your coach is making on a raise.

Phillip Montgomery had to give up his raise that would have put him in 1.7-1.8.

ECU's coach moved up a division and made more than Monty did last year.

And we all see what UConn did to its football contract.

Again you aren't keeping up, you are trying to catch up, that's a big difference, you are also doing so in one program and with quite a bit of subsidie (not the only one even in the AAC) which likely is unsustainable and you're still just trying to catch the AAC.

Well it looks to me like UNT's paying around the middle of the pack for AAC programs, and more than any coach in the MWC, C-USA, MAC, or SB. So that seems pretty good to me.

Can we sustain it. I think so. If we could not afford it, I doubt our leadership would be spending it.

Here is a new pic of our $17 million indoor practice facility that is under construction.