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https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-31...-dinosaurs

Interesting find.

"...“We’ve understood that bad things happened right after the impact, but nobody’s found this kind of smoking-gun evidence,” study co-author David Burnham of the University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute said in a statement. “People have said, ‘We get that this blast killed the dinosaurs, but why don’t we have dead bodies everywhere?’ Well, now we have bodies. They’re not dinosaurs, but I think those will eventually be found, too.”

Within 45 minutes to an hour, thousands of tiny glass beads formed by the impact began to rain down on the site. Some of these beads, called tektites, were inhaled by the fish in the inland sea, according to a University of California Berkley news release about the study. The tektites would later be found stuck in the fishes' gills. Other tektites, zooming out of the atmosphere at 100 to 200 mph, landed in the mud left by waves from the inland sea. Others are thought to have caused wildfires across the entire continent...."
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(03-31-2019 06:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-31...-dinosaurs

Interesting find.

"...“We’ve understood that bad things happened right after the impact, but nobody’s found this kind of smoking-gun evidence,” study co-author David Burnham of the University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute said in a statement. “People have said, ‘We get that this blast killed the dinosaurs, but why don’t we have dead bodies everywhere?’ Well, now we have bodies. They’re not dinosaurs, but I think those will eventually be found, too.”

Within 45 minutes to an hour, thousands of tiny glass beads formed by the impact began to rain down on the site. Some of these beads, called tektites, were inhaled by the fish in the inland sea, according to a University of California Berkley news release about the study. The tektites would later be found stuck in the fishes' gills. Other tektites, zooming out of the atmosphere at 100 to 200 mph, landed in the mud left by waves from the inland sea. Others are thought to have caused wildfires across the entire continent...."

Thanks for posting. This is fascinating.

Took the fam to Cancun over New Year's and we swam in a cenote. I only found out later they were all created by the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. They go in a ring around the Chixulub crater. Pretty humbling. I love this stuff.
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Quote:A site in North Dakota nicknamed Tanis has perfectly preserved fossils of fish, animals and plants.

Isn't Tanis the city where Indiana Jones finds the Lost Ark?
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(03-31-2019 08:26 PM)king king Wrote:  
(03-31-2019 06:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-31...-dinosaurs

Interesting find.

"...“We’ve understood that bad things happened right after the impact, but nobody’s found this kind of smoking-gun evidence,” study co-author David Burnham of the University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute said in a statement. “People have said, ‘We get that this blast killed the dinosaurs, but why don’t we have dead bodies everywhere?’ Well, now we have bodies. They’re not dinosaurs, but I think those will eventually be found, too.”

Within 45 minutes to an hour, thousands of tiny glass beads formed by the impact began to rain down on the site. Some of these beads, called tektites, were inhaled by the fish in the inland sea, according to a University of California Berkley news release about the study. The tektites would later be found stuck in the fishes' gills. Other tektites, zooming out of the atmosphere at 100 to 200 mph, landed in the mud left by waves from the inland sea. Others are thought to have caused wildfires across the entire continent...."

Thanks for posting. This is fascinating.

Took the fam to Cancun over New Year's and we swam in a cenote. I only found out later they were all created by the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. They go in a ring around the Chixulub crater. Pretty humbling. I love this stuff.

Many of the cenote were used for sacrificial purposes by the maya. Some contain the remains of thousands of individuals.
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Quote:A site in North Dakota nicknamed Tanis has perfectly preserved fossils of fish, animals and plants.

Isn't Tanis the city where Indiana Jones finds the Lost Ark?

Yes. That's why the guy named it that.
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I don't buy the 66 million years nonsense. Way too much conflicting evidence and a lot of evidence piling up that dinosaurs lived with man in the past 5000 years.

Of course as Christian I have way more faith in the Bible than the word of man, but even the science has major conflicting evidence now.

I'm always surprised when Christians believe in the billions of years stuff concerning dinos. They seem to accept a man rising from the dead after 3 days (a scientific impossibility), but reject almost everything else the bible says because.......science. The Bible talks about dinosaurs walking the earth with man. It gives detailed descriptions of a huge sauropod and a giant sea creature.
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(04-04-2019 02:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I don't buy the 66 million years nonsense. Way too much conflicting evidence and a lot of evidence piling up that dinosaurs lived with man in the past 5000 years.

Of course as Christian I have way more faith in the Bible than the word of man, but even the science has major conflicting evidence now.

I'm always surprised when Christians believe in the billions of years stuff concerning dinos. They seem to accept a man rising from the dead after 3 days (a scientific impossibility), but reject almost everything else the bible says because.......science. The Bible talks about dinosaurs walking the earth with man. It gives detailed descriptions of a huge sauropod and a giant sea creature.

The problem with the “Christian perspective” is that it requires a lot of faith in its religious based viewpoints, but places no faith at all in science based viewpoints. All that does in the end is make science easy for the faithful to dismiss while simultaneously failing any and all logic based argument.

There is no confusion regarding dinosaurs. They went extinct, and there has never been any evidence of coexistence with man. Even the oldest of dinosaurs aren’t “billions of years old” by the way.

There isn’t any geological confusion about chicxulub either. It’s a giant crater caused by a giant rock striking the earth. The 66 million year old estimate for its age is consistent throughout the earth, too. What that means is that material that only comes from impactors has been found with material radiologically identical to chicxulub in areas far from chicxulub...that only happens if the materials are mixed together and then thrown a distance by tremendous force.
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(04-04-2019 10:26 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 02:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I don't buy the 66 million years nonsense. Way too much conflicting evidence and a lot of evidence piling up that dinosaurs lived with man in the past 5000 years.
Of course as Christian I have way more faith in the Bible than the word of man, but even the science has major conflicting evidence now.
I'm always surprised when Christians believe in the billions of years stuff concerning dinos. They seem to accept a man rising from the dead after 3 days (a scientific impossibility), but reject almost everything else the bible says because.......science. The Bible talks about dinosaurs walking the earth with man. It gives detailed descriptions of a huge sauropod and a giant sea creature.
The problem with the “Christian perspective” is that it requires a lot of faith in its religious based viewpoints, but places no faith at all in science based viewpoints. All that does in the end is make science easy for the faithful to dismiss while simultaneously failing any and all logic based argument.
There is no confusion regarding dinosaurs. They went extinct, and there has never been any evidence of coexistence with man. Even the oldest of dinosaurs aren’t “billions of years old” by the way.
There isn’t any geological confusion about chicxulub either. It’s a giant crater caused by a giant rock striking the earth. The 66 million year old estimate for its age is consistent throughout the earth, too. What that means is that material that only comes from impactors has been found with material radiologically identical to chicxulub in areas far from chicxulub...that only happens if the materials are mixed together and then thrown a distance by tremendous force.

The problem with the purely scientific viewpoint is that it requires a lot of faith in its science based ideas, but places no faith at all in religion based ideas.

My own perspective is that science explains what happened, and religion explains why it happened. That pretty much gives me a logical way out of these sorts of disputes.
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(04-04-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 10:26 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 02:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I don't buy the 66 million years nonsense. Way too much conflicting evidence and a lot of evidence piling up that dinosaurs lived with man in the past 5000 years.
Of course as Christian I have way more faith in the Bible than the word of man, but even the science has major conflicting evidence now.
I'm always surprised when Christians believe in the billions of years stuff concerning dinos. They seem to accept a man rising from the dead after 3 days (a scientific impossibility), but reject almost everything else the bible says because.......science. The Bible talks about dinosaurs walking the earth with man. It gives detailed descriptions of a huge sauropod and a giant sea creature.
The problem with the “Christian perspective” is that it requires a lot of faith in its religious based viewpoints, but places no faith at all in science based viewpoints. All that does in the end is make science easy for the faithful to dismiss while simultaneously failing any and all logic based argument.
There is no confusion regarding dinosaurs. They went extinct, and there has never been any evidence of coexistence with man. Even the oldest of dinosaurs aren’t “billions of years old” by the way.
There isn’t any geological confusion about chicxulub either. It’s a giant crater caused by a giant rock striking the earth. The 66 million year old estimate for its age is consistent throughout the earth, too. What that means is that material that only comes from impactors has been found with material radiologically identical to chicxulub in areas far from chicxulub...that only happens if the materials are mixed together and then thrown a distance by tremendous force.

The problem with the purely scientific viewpoint is that it requires a lot of faith in its science based ideas, but places no faith at all in religion based ideas.

My own perspective is that science explains what happened, and religion explains why it happened. That pretty much gives me a logical way out of these sorts of disputes.

I certainly don’t disagree with you here and apologize if it came off that way. Faith is very important. In its absence, the world suffers.
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(04-04-2019 12:03 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 10:26 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 02:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I don't buy the 66 million years nonsense. Way too much conflicting evidence and a lot of evidence piling up that dinosaurs lived with man in the past 5000 years.
Of course as Christian I have way more faith in the Bible than the word of man, but even the science has major conflicting evidence now.
I'm always surprised when Christians believe in the billions of years stuff concerning dinos. They seem to accept a man rising from the dead after 3 days (a scientific impossibility), but reject almost everything else the bible says because.......science. The Bible talks about dinosaurs walking the earth with man. It gives detailed descriptions of a huge sauropod and a giant sea creature.
The problem with the “Christian perspective” is that it requires a lot of faith in its religious based viewpoints, but places no faith at all in science based viewpoints. All that does in the end is make science easy for the faithful to dismiss while simultaneously failing any and all logic based argument.
There is no confusion regarding dinosaurs. They went extinct, and there has never been any evidence of coexistence with man. Even the oldest of dinosaurs aren’t “billions of years old” by the way.
There isn’t any geological confusion about chicxulub either. It’s a giant crater caused by a giant rock striking the earth. The 66 million year old estimate for its age is consistent throughout the earth, too. What that means is that material that only comes from impactors has been found with material radiologically identical to chicxulub in areas far from chicxulub...that only happens if the materials are mixed together and then thrown a distance by tremendous force.
The problem with the purely scientific viewpoint is that it requires a lot of faith in its science based ideas, but places no faith at all in religion based ideas.
My own perspective is that science explains what happened, and religion explains why it happened. That pretty much gives me a logical way out of these sorts of disputes.
I certainly don’t disagree with you here and apologize if it came off that way. Faith is very important. In its absence, the world suffers.

No need to apologize, I didn't take it that way. My comment was more meant for both sides. If people just made that distinction, I think about 90% of the religion-science issues go away.
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(04-04-2019 12:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:03 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 10:26 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 02:31 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I don't buy the 66 million years nonsense. Way too much conflicting evidence and a lot of evidence piling up that dinosaurs lived with man in the past 5000 years.
Of course as Christian I have way more faith in the Bible than the word of man, but even the science has major conflicting evidence now.
I'm always surprised when Christians believe in the billions of years stuff concerning dinos. They seem to accept a man rising from the dead after 3 days (a scientific impossibility), but reject almost everything else the bible says because.......science. The Bible talks about dinosaurs walking the earth with man. It gives detailed descriptions of a huge sauropod and a giant sea creature.
The problem with the “Christian perspective” is that it requires a lot of faith in its religious based viewpoints, but places no faith at all in science based viewpoints. All that does in the end is make science easy for the faithful to dismiss while simultaneously failing any and all logic based argument.
There is no confusion regarding dinosaurs. They went extinct, and there has never been any evidence of coexistence with man. Even the oldest of dinosaurs aren’t “billions of years old” by the way.
There isn’t any geological confusion about chicxulub either. It’s a giant crater caused by a giant rock striking the earth. The 66 million year old estimate for its age is consistent throughout the earth, too. What that means is that material that only comes from impactors has been found with material radiologically identical to chicxulub in areas far from chicxulub...that only happens if the materials are mixed together and then thrown a distance by tremendous force.
The problem with the purely scientific viewpoint is that it requires a lot of faith in its science based ideas, but places no faith at all in religion based ideas.
My own perspective is that science explains what happened, and religion explains why it happened. That pretty much gives me a logical way out of these sorts of disputes.
I certainly don’t disagree with you here and apologize if it came off that way. Faith is very important. In its absence, the world suffers.

No need to apologize, I didn't take it that way. My comment was more meant for both sides. If people just made that distinction, I think about 90% of the religion-science issues go away.

I view religion as explaining how it happened, just not in science book detail. That's not the Bible's purpose. Allegories don't have to be literal.
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I view religion as man's attempt to understand that which can in no way ever be truly explained because we are too limited and not, well, divine.

I view science as man's findings based on the things we can understand but just dont yet, at least not fully, and we come about that understanding by applying the scientific method.

I view anyone that doubts that there is a layer of ash and rock at a specific location under the ground that covers the ENTIRE Earth and that can be reliably dated by figuring out how long it takes to put down a layer 1mm, 2mm, 3mm, etc as refusing to believe the evidence that lays before them and that the fact that they believe beyond a shadow of a doubt things that they cannot see or ever tangibly prove as being totally contradictory to the point of almost insanity. To make that point even more succinct, the speed of light can be reliably measured. That speed is constant and this has been proven. That we can peer into the cosmos and accurately gauge how far something is away from us is also reliably measured. And that measurement affirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are stars out there whose light we are receiving and that that light is 13.5 billion years old. If the Bible is correct in that the world is only x thousand years old, please explain how that light came to us from 13.5 billion miles away at 187,000 miles per second.
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(04-04-2019 12:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:12 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 12:03 PM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 11:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 10:26 AM)DustMyBroom Wrote:  The problem with the “Christian perspective” is that it requires a lot of faith in its religious based viewpoints, but places no faith at all in science based viewpoints. All that does in the end is make science easy for the faithful to dismiss while simultaneously failing any and all logic based argument.
There is no confusion regarding dinosaurs. They went extinct, and there has never been any evidence of coexistence with man. Even the oldest of dinosaurs aren’t “billions of years old” by the way.
There isn’t any geological confusion about chicxulub either. It’s a giant crater caused by a giant rock striking the earth. The 66 million year old estimate for its age is consistent throughout the earth, too. What that means is that material that only comes from impactors has been found with material radiologically identical to chicxulub in areas far from chicxulub...that only happens if the materials are mixed together and then thrown a distance by tremendous force.
The problem with the purely scientific viewpoint is that it requires a lot of faith in its science based ideas, but places no faith at all in religion based ideas.
My own perspective is that science explains what happened, and religion explains why it happened. That pretty much gives me a logical way out of these sorts of disputes.
I certainly don’t disagree with you here and apologize if it came off that way. Faith is very important. In its absence, the world suffers.
No need to apologize, I didn't take it that way. My comment was more meant for both sides. If people just made that distinction, I think about 90% of the religion-science issues go away.
I view religion as explaining how it happened, just not in science book detail. That's not the Bible's purpose. Allegories don't have to be literal.

(04-04-2019 02:59 PM)king king Wrote:  I view religion as man's attempt to understand that which can in no way ever be truly explained because we are too limited and not, well, divine.
I view science as man's findings based on the things we can understand but just dont yet, at least not fully, and we come about that understanding by applying the scientific method.
I view anyone that doubts that there is a layer of ash and rock at a specific location under the ground that covers the ENTIRE Earth and that can be reliably dated by figuring out how long it takes to put down a layer 1mm, 2mm, 3mm, etc as refusing to believe the evidence that lays before them and that the fact that they believe beyond a shadow of a doubt things that they cannot see or ever tangibly prove as being totally contradictory to the point of almost insanity. To make that point even more succinct, the speed of light can be reliably measured. That speed is constant and this has been proven. That we can peer into the cosmos and accurately gauge how far something is away from us is also reliably measured. And that measurement affirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are stars out there whose light we are receiving and that that light is 13.5 billion years old. If the Bible is correct in that the world is only x thousand years old, please explain how that light came to us from 13.5 billion miles away at 187,000 miles per second.


I'll try to respond to these two together, since I think they both touch on my feelings.

I think that Genesis, for example, is allegorical. Whoever reduced the words to paper (or whatever medium) was obviously not present when the events transpired. And telling the full story as now known by science would have so overwhelmed that audience as to have been unbelievable. So an allegory works fine for those purposes. "In the beginning, God created heaven and earth," is plenty to satisfy my needs from religion, and I can rely on science to tell me the specific factual details of what happened when.
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There is no basis to view Genesis as allegorical other that the readers desire for it to be allegorical. Jesus certainly did not teach it as allegory in the NT, nor did the disciples. They taught it was absolutely literal.

If its allegorical, then you really aren't going to be judged by God on judgment day, and the judgment is not eternal or final as it says it is. Thus the reader is free to make up their own truth from their own imagination and feelings, and live their life as they see best, and not seek the will of their Father in Heaven.

For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality.

And the truth is many people really love the things of the world, which are sin and rebellion against our Creator. This is because its really easy to just tell yourself what you want to hear and believe, and just convince yourself these things are not real or literal, and never really take the time to investigate those things for yourself.

Self deception and blinding yourself is such an easy thing to do, and that is really obvious today in politics and many other things. People see only the things they want to see and believe, and truth is relative for most people. The Bible warns repeatedly from Genesis through Revelation what a great deception the world and worldly knowledge is, and how wicked and corrupt the heart really is.

I have posted in many threads here about he undeniably evidence the bible gives us that its real, evidence proven by secular history over thousands of years that can't be denied. But people can't see or hear things they don't want to see or hear. Most people just plug their ears and close their eyes and look the other way. They don't want to hear it, they don't want to know it. They just to believe what they WANT to believe.
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(04-04-2019 09:52 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There is no basis to view Genesis as allegorical other that the readers desire for it to be allegorical. Jesus certainly did not teach it as allegory in the NT, nor did the disciples. They taught it was absolutely literal.
If its allegorical, then you really aren't going to be judged by God on judgment day, and the judgment is not eternal or final as it says it is. Thus the reader is free to make up their own truth from their own imagination and feelings, and live their life as they see best, and not seek the will of their Father in Heaven.
For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality.

So if the world wasn't created in 7 days of 24 hours each, 168 hours total, then that means Jesus cannot save you? I fail to see the logic. I simply cannot connect how old the world is to any salvation issue. And I don't believe Jesus ever addressed that specific issue, although I would appreciate it if you could show me where He did.

The Bible can certainly be literal in every way connected to salvation. That does not mean that it has to be literal about everything.

Quote:And the truth is many people really love their lives and the things of the world, which are sin and rebellion again our Creator. This is became really easy to just tell yourself what you want to hear and believe, and just convince yourself these things are not real or literal, and never really take the time to investigate those things for yourself.
Self deception and blinding yourself is such an easy thing to do, and that is really obvious today in politics and many other things. People see only the things they want to see and believe only the things they want to believe, and truth is relative for most people. The Bible warns repeatedly from genesis through Revelation what a great deception the world and worldly knowledge is, and how wicked and corrupt the heart really is.
I have posted in many threads here about he undeniably evidence the bible gives us that its real, evidence prove by secular history over thousands of years that can't be denied. But people can't see or hear things they don't want to see or hear. Most people just lug their ears and close their eye and look the other way. They don't want to hear it, they don;t want to know it. They just to believe what they WANT to believe.

One of the things that I think is remarkable is the extent to science and archaeology have repeatedly made findings that either confirmed or corroborated parts of the Bible. I expect more in the future. But I do not expect to find anything in the fossil trail to confirm or suggest that humans and dinosaurs coexisted at any point in history.
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(04-04-2019 10:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 09:52 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There is no basis to view Genesis as allegorical other that the readers desire for it to be allegorical. Jesus certainly did not teach it as allegory in the NT, nor did the disciples. They taught it was absolutely literal.
If its allegorical, then you really aren't going to be judged by God on judgment day, and the judgment is not eternal or final as it says it is. Thus the reader is free to make up their own truth from their own imagination and feelings, and live their life as they see best, and not seek the will of their Father in Heaven.
For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality.

So if the world wasn't created in 7 days of 24 hours each, 168 hours total, then that means Jesus cannot save you? I fail to see the logic. I simply cannot connect how old the world is to any salvation issue. And I don't believe Jesus ever addressed that specific issue, although I would appreciate it if you could show me where He did.

The Bible can certainly be literal in every way connected to salvation. That does not mean that it has to be literal about everything.



I did not say salvation was dependent upon a literal 7 day creation, did I? What did I actually say in my post?

I said specifically that if the first 11 chapters of Genesis were not literal then there is no basis for Christian or salvation through Jesus. Have you read past the first chapter of genesis? If its not 100% literal than Christianity, Jesus and the gospel is a fantasy and a fraud with zero basis for it at all.

Please explain to me how a person can believe Jesus rose form the dead and the gospel is true, but reject whatever else in the Bible that they see fit. How is any of it more impossible than a man being born of a virgin and rising from the dead after 3 days, and being the literal Son of God in the flesh?

What is your basis for faith in Christ? Why would you believe in Him over any other God or religion on the earth?

Can you or anyone please answer that question for me?
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One of the most repeated and important things said in the bible is the wisdom of man and the world is foolishness, lies and a deception, and that Gods Word is the only truth in this world.

Yet many Christians today say the Bible is wrong, and that the wisdom of man is what is right. They take the total opposite of approach of what the bible teaches.

And the fact is those people are arguing the the bible is WRONG, not that it teaches a non literal 24 hours days. The text very specially says they are literal 24 hour days, with an morning and an evening for each day. There is no basis whatsoever to argue the text is not speaking of literal 24 hour days, the text says quite specifically it is speaking of literal 24 hour days.

So when you argue they are not literal days, you are saying the text is just flat wrong.

The entire basis of arguing the text is wrong is based on the wisdom of man. Rejecting God's wisdom for the wisdom of man.
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At the time of the Scopes Monkey Trial there was no disputing the earth was far older than the timeline of the Bible. It was commonly accepted among Christians that the age established by geologists was correct. The origins of humanity was the debate.

It was not until the late 60’s early 70’s that young earth gained notable traction.


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(04-05-2019 12:44 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  At the time of the Scopes Monkey Trial there was no disputing the earth was far older than the timeline of the Bible. It was commonly accepted among Christians that the age established by geologists was correct. The origins of humanity was the debate.

It was not until the late 60’s early 70’s that young earth gained notable traction.


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Its far more complicated than most realize. The idea of millions of years is also a very new concept scientifically, and has changed a lot over the centuries (and continues to evolve even today)

The Bible does not say the earth is 6000 years old, it says MAN is 6000 years old. The Bible actually says the earth is composed of WAY older stuff than just 6000 years.

Geological dating showing the earth to be ancient actually backs up what scripture says.

Of course there is also the fact that God makes OLD things, things that are old the moment they are created. For example the text does not say Adam was born as a baby, he was born as a full grown and developed man. The Bible also says in multiple verses that the stars are "made of old". Literally the day they were created they would have been measured by science to be millions or billions of years old.

Most also aren't aware that the OT said over 2500 year ago that the universe was "stretching out continuously" (universal expansion).
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(04-04-2019 10:14 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(04-04-2019 09:52 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  There is no basis to view Genesis as allegorical other that the readers desire for it to be allegorical. Jesus certainly did not teach it as allegory in the NT, nor did the disciples. They taught it was absolutely literal.
If its allegorical, then you really aren't going to be judged by God on judgment day, and the judgment is not eternal or final as it says it is. Thus the reader is free to make up their own truth from their own imagination and feelings, and live their life as they see best, and not seek the will of their Father in Heaven.
For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality.
So if the world wasn't created in 7 days of 24 hours each, 168 hours total, then that means Jesus cannot save you? I fail to see the logic. I simply cannot connect how old the world is to any salvation issue. And I don't believe Jesus ever addressed that specific issue, although I would appreciate it if you could show me where He did.
The Bible can certainly be literal in every way connected to salvation. That does not mean that it has to be literal about everything.
I did not say salvation was dependent upon a literal 7 day creation, did I? What did I actually say in my post?

You said (restating the bolded part above), "For those who actually have read the first 11 chapter of genesis, if its not literal and just an allegory then Jesus cannot save you, and the entire basis of Christianity and the gospel is just a fantasy with zero basis in reality." You've allowed two, and so far as I can tell only two, possibilities--either the first 11 chapters of Genesis are literal, or Jesus cannot save you. I don't see where you leave room for anything else. If the first 11 chapters of Genesis is literal, then the world was created in 7 days. If you don't believe it is literal, you said, then Jesus cannot save you. It either literal, which means a 7 day creation, or Jesus cannot save you. That's what your words say. If you mean something else, please clarify.

Quote:What is your basis for faith in Christ? Why would you believe in Him over any other God or religion on the earth?

My basis for faith in Christ is the resurrection. It is a totally unnatural event that is vouched for by an incredible string of witnesses knowingly willing to die for it. You may or may not believe that it is true. But it is really very difficult to understand well documented events of the first century AD without that being an event that actually happened.
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