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RE: 66 million ye armageddon graveyard found in ND
So try again my friend. Give me some specific examples of translation issues that dramatically change and alter christian doctrines.

No matter what you try to point to and question, there are going to be multiple other scriptures that debunk your attempted challenge of that verse and clearly illustrate the true meaning of the passage.

The bible is purposely designed in this way, God clearly knew what He doing.
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(04-07-2019 10:36 AM)king king Wrote:  Still waiting for your explanation on that big hole in your story.


My friend there has been nothing to explain. I told you there were possible biblical explanations for these thing in scriptures, but you are free to not believe or ignore them. I'm not really interested in a long debate about it because these are things we cannot prove other way, all we can do is speculate.

If you don't want to believe the bible leaves room or mentions possible explanations for the age of the earth, dinosaurs, cavemen or stars and universe then don't believe. There are very well know examples and theories about this by creationists, (I mentioned a few and you can google the others) but if you reject them then reject them. Its your choice.

I have no interest in a long debate on those things because it all comes down to speculation and opinion in the end.

The reason, the evidence, the proofs that we have to PROVE the bible to be real and the word of God are not in things we can't fully prove from 5000+ years ago, they are in the things we CAN prove and illustrate from the last 2300 years of Jewish and christian history which was laid out in vast detailed prophecies of the OT prophets 2500 years ago. Modern Israel is one of the most undeniable proofs of the validity of the Bible. The OT prophets specifically predicted the total destruction of Israel in the same Generation they rejected Jesus, and the scattering of the Jews into all nations for 1900 years, and the modern day restoration of Israel in the Holy Land by the UN, STILL rejecting Jesus and a central and key issue concerning world peace in the end times. They also predicted in great detail the Jewish rejection of their own Messiah and the entire 2000 year church age dominated by non Jews (Gentiles) from across the whole earth. I'm just scratching the surface here, but there are examples of evidence and proof no other religion on earth can remotely offer, the don't even try.
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Now that I've given examples from credible biblical sources that show that there most definitely is interpretation in any translation, NOW you dont want a long debate?

So I throw evidence up where renowned Christian sources disagree with you on the fact that things do get lost in translation and all of a sudden you have nothing else to debate and now it's only opinion?

Quote:these are things we cannot prove other way, all we can do is speculate.

I'll take that as you admitting there's no way to prove any of it.

You've shown that when challenged you resort to tactics not becoming of a Christian. You've shown that you believe all of this but then call it only speculation and opinion in the end. Then you move the goalpost and talk about proof only being in the last 2500 years based on prophecies. I'm with you on the proof in the prophecies. There are for sure things that have been prophesied that have come to pass. That's a tick in the right direction for proving the Bible is what it says it is.

It still doesn't address the glaring hole in your statement previous that the Earth is much older than humans which was followed by another stating that the days mentioned in Genesis are literally 24 hour days and therefore man is Earth creation date minus six days old. How can the Earth be more ancient than 6 days older than man and also only six days older than man at the same time? It simply cant.

I have not read anything in the Bible that talks about other humanoid species (nephilim and elohim are not human). The young Earth internet reveals that the general consensus is that they were just as human as you and I are. The general consensus was that they were pre-flood men. However, as a species they are NOT homo sapiens sapiens. Mathematics confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt through mitochondrial DNA that we are not the same species. Their own DNA sequence confirms this.

You obviously tacitly believe in some kind of science as it allows you to use the internet to put forth assertions that have holes in them, presumably to drive, presumably to have a job, etc. Nothing is possible without the scientific method that has been applied to produce these things, BUTTTTT you wont believe it when it comes to conflicting evidence for how old the universe is or where man came from. You pick and choose what you believe in. And frankly, that's your right.

If you want to truly be not of this world, I'd challenge you to reject ALL of the science that has made your world possible and return to the forest to live simply as man did for thousands of years before the agricultural revolution. If you wont, then I'd ask you to picture all of science giving you the finger as you use it to live your life while at the same time rejecting it outright when it comes to "muh Jesus".

This is the last thing I'm gonna say on this. Talk all you want.
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(04-07-2019 01:22 PM)king king Wrote:  Now that I've given examples from credible biblical sources that show that there most definitely is interpretation in any translation, NOW you dont want a long debate?

So I throw evidence up where renowned Christian sources disagree with you on the fact that things do get lost in translation and all of a sudden you have nothing else to debate and now it's only opinion?


My comment about not having a long debate was about all the side issues and not about bible translations. You knew that full well when you posted this. There is no need for such blatantly dishonesty.

Furthermore I never argued there can be a difference of opinion on any one word or verse, I gave you some examples myself where this can happen. What I clearly challenged you to do is show were key Christians doctrines are changed through translation issues.

You have had 2 full days and you still can't come up with any.
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(04-07-2019 01:22 PM)king king Wrote:  I'll take that as you admitting there's no way to prove any of it.

You've shown that when challenged you resort to tactics not becoming of a Christian. You've shown that you believe all of this but then call it only speculation and opinion in the end. Then you move the goalpost and talk about proof only being in the last 2500 years based on prophecies. I'm with you on the proof in the prophecies. There are for sure things that have been prophesied that have come to pass. That's a tick in the right direction for proving the Bible is what it says it is.



I never once stated that I could fully prove anything from 5000+ years ago. At no time here did I ever even suggest such a thing.

You are being downright dishonest now and you know it. No wonder you want to bow out and run from the discussion now.
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(04-07-2019 01:22 PM)king king Wrote:  It still doesn't address the glaring hole in your statement previous that the Earth is much older than humans which was followed by another stating that the days mentioned in Genesis are literally 24 hour days and therefore man is Earth creation date minus six days old. How can the Earth be more ancient than 6 days older than man and also only six days older than man at the same time? It simply cant.


Actually there is and its right there in the text of Genesis 1. There is a clear gap between "In the beginning" and creation week.

The text says "In the beginning" God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Verse 1 and 2 are BEFORE day 1 of creation week. We are not told how long this period was between "the beginning" and when the first day of creation week began, but there is room there is Scripture for an argument to be made.

If you disagree then fine, but its been a long standing theory. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe on it.
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(04-07-2019 01:22 PM)king king Wrote:  You obviously tacitly believe in some kind of science as it allows you to use the internet to put forth assertions that have holes in them, presumably to drive, presumably to have a job, etc. Nothing is possible without the scientific method that has been applied to produce these things, BUTTTTT you wont believe it when it comes to conflicting evidence for how old the universe is or where man came from. You pick and choose what you believe in. And frankly, that's your right.

If you want to truly be not of this world, I'd challenge you to reject ALL of the science that has made your world possible and return to the forest to live simply as man did for thousands of years before the agricultural revolution. If you wont, then I'd ask you to picture all of science giving you the finger as you use it to live your life while at the same time rejecting it outright when it comes to "muh Jesus".

This is the last thing I'm gonna say on this. Talk all you want.


OH BOY lol

I believe in all kinds of science and scientific theories, I wasn't even a Christian for almost 40 years of my life. Science is full of a lot of holes and contradictions on the origins of man and the earth, but its still a fascinating subject. Science has always been one of my favorite subjects. You are just getting all emotional and making all kinds of totally absurd and crazy assumptions about me now and trying your best to attack , mock and provoke me because I believe in the Bible and Jesus without doubt.

You can scream "muh Jesus" and mock and troll me all you want, I am fine with it and not insulted at all. Its all part of being a Christian and a true believer in Christ and the Bible. People like you are going to get seriously triggered by us and our faith, and we have seen that play out in this thread quite colorfully.
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(04-06-2019 08:13 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-06-2019 09:32 AM)king king Wrote:  
(04-05-2019 11:33 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-05-2019 09:38 PM)king king Wrote:  I have given no explanation of anything I believe or disbelieve so don't put words in my mouth or impart meaning.

If you believe that meaning isn't lost when languages are translated, I'll stand on my 27 years of being bilingual as proof that they are. All of them.

Still waiting on your explanation for ALL the prehuman humanoids.



Well you are welcome to any hypothetical theory you want, but the facts totally contradict what you are saying and anyone can examine those translations for themselves, Word by word, line by line. Hundreds of thousand of scholars have for many centuries now. The Bible stands the test of time and accuracy. Its literally the most studied, scrutinized and verified book in human history. You can pretend otherwise based on your own imagination, but the facts and evidence are all against you. Your entire argument is based on blind assumptions of fantasy scenarios where you imagine a word can be mistranslated and since that is not 100% impossible then that means the Bible is corrupted, highly questionable and can't be proven. Its not like you have actually studied then text and came to this conclusion, its just a fantasy scenario you are trying to disguise as a factual argument. Like I have said, if you have seriously studied the Bible and the NT, you would know its specifically written to get around language barriers by repeating the same key doctrines over and over and over again from book to book to book. When something is explained using differing words 20 different times in 20 different books and chapters, it tends to eliminate petty arguments about translation over a specific word.

Its interesting how you demand I explain a dozen different things in every single thread and you never explain or answer anything. You work very hard to dodge all direct questions and keep your own views and beliefs secret for argument sake.

Its time YOU explain/answer something. Are you a Christian or not because your comments here strongly suggest you are are not and do not believe in the bible. If God created time, space and the entire universe, how can He NOT have the ability to keep His promises about His Word being preserved for all generations?

That sounds like a very sloppy and limited God you believe in. If you believe in one at all.

Well you've made the claim that it was directly translated into the KJV version - so from the original Hebrew to Ancient Greek to Latin to English, correct? And you think there was nothing lost in translation? You accept at face value these things for which you have zero way of knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt are true when it comes to the words of the Bible as they appear to you in the English language but disagree with science when it tells you there is no way dinos and humans walked the earth together.

In your example where it talks about the "behemoth" in Job, if you go look the Hebrew word can also mean simply "beast". There is all kind of inference that has to go into that passage to land on dinosaur. And that's the problem, imo, is that the Bible as we've received it is open to interpretation along the way simply from having come through at least three other translations.

I'm a Christian. I believe PURELY on faith alone that Jesus lived, died, and rose again to provide a pathway for me to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. But there is zero tangible proof he even lived. There is zero tangible proof there is a God. There is zero proof that anything other than man wrote the Bible. Because of that I continuously question everything.

Why is it that there are Neanderthals? Or Denisovans? Or homo species predating man? For that matter, why is there a boundary of ash at a precise depth that covers the entire planet and that can mathematically be matched to the time when the Chixulub crater was made by the asteroid that wiped out the dinos? Why, if man was created on the sixth day and the heavens were created on the first day, can light from 13.5 billion years ago be detected? Wouldn't man also need to be 13.5 billion minus six days old for that to be true?

I'm a natural skeptic. I also allow for there being things I cannot and do not know. I've heard that voice in my head that is not me that assures me I am on the right or wrong path. I've done lots of other things that allow me to relax into the belief that there is a God, however it's purely belief and faith. There is no proof.

Being learned in the Bible to a much greater degree than anyone else on this board, I'd expect that you'd proffer your knowledge about it when people ask. Unless you're just one of "those" Christians.

So, again, please explain to me what God says about other species of humanoids in His book.

Another point I'd like to posit - if God is perfect and never messes up why would He ever have needed to wipe the Earth clean of everything and start over again? Why would there ever need to be a Lucifer? Why evil if it is anathema to God? Those are rhetorical questions but I'm using them to ask you how can God be perfect if those things happened and/or exist?



You can't have "faith" in Jesus AND question if any of its even real my man, those two things are a TOTAL CONTRADICTION.

Your own words prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you do NOT believe in Jesus as your Lord and savoir. If you had spent any time reading the bible (You so CLEARLY have not) you would have know its impossible to have faith and salvation in Christ and question and doubt everything about it.

You can feign 1000 levels of outrage and offense over that, but the fact is its Christianity 101. If you would simply open the NT and read it for yourself you would know this. You have created your own definition of faith, one that allows you to say you are a believer, but doubt everything, claim there is zero proof at all, live your life any way you see fit, and relentless troll and attack anyone who dares share the word of God or biblical doctrine. You even take it a step further and openly question God, question His abilities, question His intentions even to the point of mocking Him.

In short, you are not a Christian at all, you are a person who simply wants to pretend to be a Christian because you think it will enhance your arguments and attacks on Christianity and the bible by claiming to be one as you relentlessly attack and mock it with gleeful intensity. YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE. As Christ said, we will know you by your fruits.

Your arguments about Behemoth and animal are about as laughable as it gets and perfectly illustrate my point. Its changes NOTHING if you use the word Behemoth or animal, because we are talking about a giant animal that the text gives a full chapter of details on its size, shape, feeding habits and everything else. Whether you use the word behemoth or animal has no bearing on anything and changes NOTHING about the chapter or the message on any level at all. NOTHING is lost, no matter if you use Behemoth or Animal.

The text was CLEARLY designed in such a manner to remove such issues and get the key doctrines across even through translation.

You have yet to put forth a single argument or example that disproves that fact, and the obvious truth is you can't. You wouldn't even know where to look in the first place.

An no, I am not changing the subject to cavemen just so you can run and hide from your "translation" arguments. There is a ton of info on the net about how cave men and other "species" of early man fit into the 6000 year biblical framework. You can google them and research them yourself.

What I want from you are concrete examples where translations in the KJB radically changed Christian doctrines or Christianity. If you can't show that then your arguments about translation making the bible meaningless are totally debunked by your own lack of evidence. I already know your argument is total fantasy, because I have spent thousands of hours study the text in both languages. You have not spent even 5 minutes of your life doing so. You are just creating fantasy arguments out of thin air.

You just made my point. The key doctrines are repeated over and over. There is a beauty and consistency in the Bible. God created Earth and man is a key doctrine. The rest can be true without needing to be literally true.
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(04-05-2019 04:13 PM)king king Wrote:  Also, what about Neanderthals, Denisovans, and any other number of protohuman or other such human like finds? Did God mess up? Those are mentioned in the Bible?


Well there is a very simple and obvious answer for that, but I am curious what you think since you say you are a Christian in other threads.

Did God "mess up"? Is the Bible not the Word of God?

This is where you began not answering questions and I began having a futile argument with someone that never intended to address my questions.

It's ok.

You believe something with no proof, as do I. Yet you cannot explain the inconsistencies we find around us ALL over creation; I dont really expect you to, tbh. If you could, I'd have no need to question anything.

There is an equivalency in believing things that cannot be entirely explained whether viewed through the lens of religion or science. You discredit key aspects of things that have been scientifically verified through rigorous examination, reproduction, and testing while admittedly believing in others. Yet you take as 100% truth something you cannot verify without question.

If God did not intend us to question we'd never seek Him.

Noodle on that for a few.
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(04-07-2019 06:23 PM)king king Wrote:  
(04-05-2019 05:26 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(04-05-2019 04:13 PM)king king Wrote:  Also, what about Neanderthals, Denisovans, and any other number of protohuman or other such human like finds? Did God mess up? Those are mentioned in the Bible?


Well there is a very simple and obvious answer for that, but I am curious what you think since you say you are a Christian in other threads.

Did God "mess up"? Is the Bible not the Word of God?

This is where you began not answering questions and I began having a futile argument with someone that never intended to address my questions.

It's ok.

You believe something with no proof, as do I. Yet you cannot explain the inconsistencies we find around us ALL over creation; I dont really expect you to, tbh. If you could, I'd have no need to question anything.

There is an equivalency in believing things that cannot be entirely explained whether viewed through the lens of religion or science. You discredit key aspects of things that have been scientifically verified through rigorous examination, reproduction, and testing while admittedly believing in others. Yet you take as 100% truth something you cannot verify without question.

If God did not intend us to question we'd never seek Him.

Noodle on that for a few.



Noodle on what? I never once said don't ask questions and I never once said there was anything wrong with science.

Nor did I ever suggest I could 100% prove anything to you from 5000+ years ago. So stop pretending like I did.

Neither can science, they have their theories and ideas and continue to study things. Good for them and I find some of it very interesting.

Its grossly inaccurate to say there is no proof the Bible and Jesus are real, and I went over some of the strong evidences we have that back those things up. Faith in Christ is NOT based on 100% blind faith, and the Bible does not teach faith based on 100% blind faith. Quite the opposite is taught throughout the NT.
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Stole this from someone else on this board that posted it. It was apropos.

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. (Thomas Jefferson)
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(04-07-2019 10:21 PM)king king Wrote:  Stole this from someone else on this board that posted it. It was apropos.

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. (Thomas Jefferson)


I could not agree more strongly. I was a non believer for almost 40 years, it was me questioning whether there was any reason or evidence to believe in any God, including the God of the Bible that led me to Christ, salvation and changed my life FOREVER.

If I had never began questioning it and looking into the evidence, I would have never came to salvation and faith in Christ.

Until then, I had serious doubts and thought there was no way to know and it was all about totally blind faith. Thats what the world had brainwashed me into believing all my life.

Now I don't question or doubt it, and I don't just hope its real, I KNOW its real based on the facts and evidence. If Is still doubted it, I would not have salvation according to the NT. Salvation is not based on doubt and double mindedness, which is why the bible gives us such undeniable evidence.
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(04-07-2019 10:21 PM)king king Wrote:  Stole this from someone else on this board that posted it. It was apropos.

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear. (Thomas Jefferson)


I could not agree more strongly. I was a non believer for almost 40 years, it was me questioning whether there was any reason or evidence to believe in any God, including the God of the Bible that led me to Christ, salvation and changed my life FOREVER.

If I had never began questioning it and looking into the evidence, I would have never came to salvation and faith in Christ.

Until then, I had serious doubts and thought there was no way to know and it was all about totally blind faith. Thats what the world had brainwashed me into believing all my life.

Well if you agree, why the insistence that I mock God by questioning if he's real? By asking any of these questions? By looking for explanations to the mysterious things that appear in our universe? I've reread the entire thread and do not see where I once mocked God or did anything other than ask questions.

I feel like you took the easy way out on your answer about the age of the universe and man being six days younger. Just because it doesn't say how long it was doesn't, according to your own words previous, leave it open for interpretation...or are you saying it does?
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(04-08-2019 08:30 AM)king king Wrote:  Well if you agree, why the insistence that I mock God by questioning if he's real? By asking any of these questions? By looking for explanations to the mysterious things that appear in our universe? I've reread the entire thread and do not see where I once mocked God or did anything other than ask questions.

I feel like you took the easy way out on your answer about the age of the universe and man being six days younger. Just because it doesn't say how long it was doesn't, according to your own words previous, leave it open for interpretation...or are you saying it does?


Well I did not say simply asking questions was mocking him. I did not even say doubting Him was mocking Him. No where in this or any other thread have I said that.

You are free to think I took the easy way or the hard way. It doesn't really matter to me. The Gap theory has been around for a long time, long before you or I were ever born. You are welcome to view it however you wish. The length is totally speculative an open to opinion. Its one of several possible explanations, another being the fact that God creates old things. New things that are scientifically and measurably ancient the moment they are made. If you believe in God I'm sure you would agree that is within His abilities. He could easily create an entire universe that by every scientific measure was billions of years old the day He created it. There are several other possible explanations and theories as well.
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(03-31-2019 06:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://weather.com/news/news/2019-03-31...-dinosaurs

Interesting find.

"...“We’ve understood that bad things happened right after the impact, but nobody’s found this kind of smoking-gun evidence,” study co-author David Burnham of the University of Kansas Biodiversity Institute said in a statement. “People have said, ‘We get that this blast killed the dinosaurs, but why don’t we have dead bodies everywhere?’ Well, now we have bodies. They’re not dinosaurs, but I think those will eventually be found, too.”

Within 45 minutes to an hour, thousands of tiny glass beads formed by the impact began to rain down on the site. Some of these beads, called tektites, were inhaled by the fish in the inland sea, according to a University of California Berkley news release about the study. The tektites would later be found stuck in the fishes' gills. Other tektites, zooming out of the atmosphere at 100 to 200 mph, landed in the mud left by waves from the inland sea. Others are thought to have caused wildfires across the entire continent...."

Thanks for posting. This is fascinating.

Took the fam to Cancun over New Year's and we swam in a cenote. I only found out later they were all created by the asteroid impact that killed the dinosaurs. They go in a ring around the Chixulub crater. Pretty humbling. I love this stuff.
Many of the cenote were used for sacrificial purposes by the maya. Some contain the remains of thousands of individuals.

This is true.

I could see the bottom of the one we were in but did not see any bones. The Mayan shaman did bless us and ask the ancestors to know we were there respectfully so there might have BEEN some at some point. The water was 59° and refreshing as can be. I kind of want go do the polar Bear plunge now.

See, I wish we had gone there with you instead of your uncle and his then future ex-girlfriend. We'd just lay around the pool the whole time we were there drinking coconut rum and pineapple juice. I think we left the resort once.
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(04-04-2019 02:59 PM)king king Wrote:  I view religion as man's attempt to understand that which can in no way ever be truly explained because we are too limited and not, well, divine.

I view science as man's findings based on the things we can understand but just dont yet, at least not fully, and we come about that understanding by applying the scientific method.

I view anyone that doubts that there is a layer of ash and rock at a specific location under the ground that covers the ENTIRE Earth and that can be reliably dated by figuring out how long it takes to put down a layer 1mm, 2mm, 3mm, etc as refusing to believe the evidence that lays before them and that the fact that they believe beyond a shadow of a doubt things that they cannot see or ever tangibly prove as being totally contradictory to the point of almost insanity. To make that point even more succinct, the speed of light can be reliably measured. That speed is constant and this has been proven. That we can peer into the cosmos and accurately gauge how far something is away from us is also reliably measured. And that measurement affirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are stars out there whose light we are receiving and that that light is 13.5 billion years old. If the Bible is correct in that the world is only x thousand years old, please explain how that light came to us from 13.5 billion miles away at 187,000 miles per second.

How do we know that the light from 13.5 billion years ago traveled at the same speed for 13.5 billion years? We don't. We've been watching the skies a few thousand years. Watching with good tools even less. Extrapolating back billions of years based on a few hundred years of observations is Science, yeah Science - which has a free pass to be wrong whenever it decides to admit it.

Take it with a grain of salt. It will change.
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I should have posted this much earlier in the thread, but now will work too. I was reviewing the Epistles of Peter last night and remembered how specifically this was worded in 2 Peter chapter 3. The Bible says in multiple places word for word that God did not create a young universe, He created an ancient universe. It shows just how out of touch with the Bible people are who argue against it using reasons of the age of the universe or the time it takes light to travel. If people want to argue against the Bible fine, but take the time to actually know what it says first so you can better formulate your arguments.


2 Peter 3:2-5

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
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(04-13-2019 12:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I should have posted this much earlier in the thread, but now will work too. I was reviewing the Epistles of Peter last night and remembered how specifically this was worded in 2 Peter chapter 3. The Bible says in multiple places word for word that God did not create a young universe, He created an ancient universe. It shows just how out of touch with the Bible people are who argue against it using reasons of the age of the universe or the time it takes light to travel. If people want to argue against the Bible fine, but take the time to actually know what it says first so you can better formulate your arguments.


2 Peter 3:2-5

3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

I'd contend that in verse 5 there that old means before. Like how the we're previously. Not that they were ancient. Assuming that is where you were saying it says it was already ancient. If I misunderstood and you were just using that verse to talk about willing ignorance then I retract my statement.
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It says in verse 8 that to the Lord a single day is like 1000 years and 1000 years is like a single day.

Does that contravene the idea that each of the days in Genesis is 24 hours?
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(04-14-2019 06:25 PM)king king Wrote:  It says in verse 8 that to the Lord a single day is like 1000 years and 1000 years is like a single day.

Does that contravene the idea that each of the days in Genesis is 24 hours?


No, for several obvious reasons.

The text of Genesis clearly says each individual day was a morning and an evening. Also the details of what He did each day prove they are 24 hour days. For example he created seed and plants and they sprouted on day 3, but He did not create the sun and moon until day 4. Plants cant survive in darkness and cold for 1000 years, but anyone who has planted seeds knows seeds spout in darkness.

Also the context of verse 8 is not about creation week, but how long until Christ returns. The prophets suggest Christ returns after 2000 years, or early on the 3rd day (1 day= 1000 years). There is a clear pattern throughout the bible of God laying out a 7000 year plan. 6000 years of mans rebellion, and then 1000 years of peace Christ and His saints reigning on earth. The whole thing mirrors creation week, 6000 years of work, then 1000 years of rest on the 7th day (Sabbath)
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