He’s right up there with Lane Kiffin for being over paid basically as a salesman and sucking at being a head coach.

(02-18-2019 08:27 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  He’s right up there with Lane Kiffin for being over paid basically as a salesman and sucking at being a head coach.

Everybody wanted it after year 1 and the recruits he had coming in....I just remember all the posts on here "better lock him up". We locked him up alright....

each post is like a kick in the nuts of racecar. yall need to layoff. LOL

(02-18-2019 03:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Heck no he can't coach. They are just trying to find a bright spot anywhere they can and it dang sure isn't recruiting. This is his 3rd year and nothing has improved and in fact is getting worse. But, just like here, people want to hang on to hope, even when it is ridiculous to do so.

And the defense thing.... no, we never had a good defense. It was our offense was so freaking bad it would rub off on the other teams. We would be shooting so poorly that the other team couldn't make a shot either.

Crazy thing is, last I checked, every Pastner team accept his first were ranked higher defensively than our current squad

With 90 seconds left in their game, Georgia Tech had scored exactly 38 points. At home.

Leonard Hamilton doesn't want Josh going anywhere. Expect lots of compliments for Josh this season from other ACC coaches who know Josh is no threat.

Some of you people are jealous bitter idiots . . .

(02-18-2019 09:16 PM)Tigx Wrote:  With 90 seconds left in their game, Georgia Tech had scored exactly 38 points. At home.

Leonard Hamilton doesn't what Josh going anywhere. Expect lots of compliments for Josh this season from other ACC coaches who know Josh is no threat.

Yep

(02-18-2019 09:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 03:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Heck no he can't coach. They are just trying to find a bright spot anywhere they can and it dang sure isn't recruiting. This is his 3rd year and nothing has improved and in fact is getting worse. But, just like here, people want to hang on to hope, even when it is ridiculous to do so.

And the defense thing.... no, we never had a good defense. It was our offense was so freaking bad it would rub off on the other teams. We would be shooting so poorly that the other team couldn't make a shot either.

Crazy thing is, last I checked, every Pastner team accept his first were ranked higher defensively than our current squad

I’m still not sure what this proves. I’m pretty sure everyone here knows our defense stinks and needs to get better under Penny.

JP did play against weaker competition in CUSA part of his time here. Almost anytime we played a team with a pulse OOC, we got hammered. Penny needs to figure out how to win against better competition, but he currently might have less talent than Josh ever had.

(02-18-2019 09:16 PM)Tigx Wrote:  With 90 seconds left in their game, Georgia Tech had scored exactly 38 points. At home.

Leonard Hamilton doesn't want Josh going anywhere. Expect lots of compliments for Josh this season from other ACC coaches who know Josh is no threat.

You can coach a team to get open shots, but you can't coach them into hitting them. We've had the same problem in a few games this year.

OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

(02-18-2019 10:44 PM)cmt Wrote:  OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

Criticism comes with the big paycheck. Josh took the job, the heat is part of the job. The same holds true for Penny, or any other coach.

He shouldn't have gotten a pass because RC was desperate. I loved Josh when he was signing Tarik and Joe and Will Barton … I couldn't stand him when the whole thing turned into a dumpster fire.

(02-18-2019 10:31 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 09:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 03:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Heck no he can't coach. They are just trying to find a bright spot anywhere they can and it dang sure isn't recruiting. This is his 3rd year and nothing has improved and in fact is getting worse. But, just like here, people want to hang on to hope, even when it is ridiculous to do so.

And the defense thing.... no, we never had a good defense. It was our offense was so freaking bad it would rub off on the other teams. We would be shooting so poorly that the other team couldn't make a shot either.

Crazy thing is, last I checked, every Pastner team accept his first were ranked higher defensively than our current squad

I’m still not sure what this proves. I’m pretty sure everyone here knows our defense stinks and needs to get better under Penny.

JP did play against weaker competition in CUSA part of his time here. Almost anytime we played a team with a pulse OOC, we got hammered. Penny needs to figure out how to win against better competition, but he currently might have less talent than Josh ever had.

It means that statistically (With SOS factored in) Josh put decent\good defensive teams on the floor.

And I said surprisingly because it always felt like our defense was horrible.

(02-18-2019 10:44 PM)cmt Wrote:  OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

Tubby was a great bench coach: He just refused to get his hands dirty on the recruiting trail..

(02-18-2019 09:16 PM)Tigx Wrote:  With 90 seconds left in their game, Georgia Tech had scored exactly 38 points. At home.

Leonard Hamilton doesn't want Josh going anywhere. Expect lots of compliments for Josh this season from other ACC coaches who know Josh is no threat.

Oh absolutely.

(02-19-2019 07:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 10:44 PM)cmt Wrote:  OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

Tubby was a great bench coach: He just refused to get his hands dirty on the recruiting trail..

He refused to even get on the recruiting trail. Not many 16 year old basketball players are discovered on country club golf courses or shuffle board courts. And don't mention Saul, please. And, if he was such great bench coach...why didn't Dedric Lawson, Markel Crawford, Jeremiah Martin and the rest even make the tournament thats worse than the NIT?

And that stupid "but he didn't cheat" argument is just that, stupid, unless you think every coach with a team in the top 160 is cheating, we finished 161 last season. And if you do and don't like that, why would you even be reading this forum?

Tubby finished 161 on Kenpom last year after getting rid of all our good players and was on his way to recruiting the worst class we had ever seen.
Myreon Jones 3.3 ppg 22% from 3 (Penn ST 9-16 (2-12))
Conner Vannover 6.2 ppg 1 bpg (cal is 5-20 (0-13))

(02-19-2019 08:25 AM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 09:16 PM)Tigx Wrote:  With 90 seconds left in their game, Georgia Tech had scored exactly 38 points. At home.

Leonard Hamilton doesn't want Josh going anywhere. Expect lots of compliments for Josh this season from other ACC coaches who know Josh is no threat.

Oh absolutely.

Exactly!!!

(02-18-2019 09:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 03:22 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  Heck no he can't coach. They are just trying to find a bright spot anywhere they can and it dang sure isn't recruiting. This is his 3rd year and nothing has improved and in fact is getting worse. But, just like here, people want to hang on to hope, even when it is ridiculous to do so.

And the defense thing.... no, we never had a good defense. It was our offense was so freaking bad it would rub off on the other teams. We would be shooting so poorly that the other team couldn't make a shot either.

Crazy thing is, last I checked, every Pastner team accept his first were ranked higher defensively than our current squad

I dont doubt that for a single second. Our defense is embarrassing most of the time.

(02-18-2019 10:44 PM)cmt Wrote:  OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

Pastner did ask for the job. He applied for it, but like 99.9% of the world, thought he had no chance. Kind of like him applying for the Lakers job. But, what do you know, our terrible AD jumped all over it.

(02-19-2019 08:51 AM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 10:44 PM)cmt Wrote:  OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

Tubby was a great bench coach: He just refused to get his hands dirty on the recruiting trail..

He refused to even get on the recruiting trail. Not many 16 year old basketball players are discovered on country club golf courses or shuffle board courts. And don't mention Saul, please. And, if he was such great bench coach...why didn't Dedric Lawson, Markel Crawford, Jeremiah Martin and the rest even make the tournament thats worse than the NIT?

And that stupid "but he didn't cheat" argument is just that, stupid, unless you think every coach with a team in the top 160 is cheating, we finished 161 last season. And if you do and don't like that, why would you even be reading this forum?

Tubby finished 161 on Kenpom last year after getting rid of all our good players and was on his way to recruiting the worst class we had ever seen.
Myreon Jones 3.3 ppg 22% from 3 (Penn ST 9-16 (2-12))
Conner Vannover 6.2 ppg 1 bpg (cal is 5-20 (0-13))

The reason the Lawson team did not make the NIT was because the Lawson father created division on the team and not a single person has come out the better because of it.

Vannover has steadily improved at Cal as the season has progressed. His last 5 games, he's averaging 12.4 ppg and 5.2 rpg.

Tubby did not have the will or desire to navigate the landmines here in the city; and Penny is much better equipped to do so. That being said, I think Tubby saw the program as a place he could go and provide him talent without having to travel the country looking for recruits. When he got here, however, it proved to be anything but that.

(02-19-2019 10:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 08:51 AM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-19-2019 07:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-18-2019 10:44 PM)cmt Wrote:  OK guys, Pastner never even asked for the job. Johnson traded Josh's suitcase bound for Kentucky for a suitcase full of money. He had to take the job. He also didn't draft that perpetually extending contract. Josh was not a great coach here, but he tried and he never asked for any of it.

Tubby, OTOH, asked for the job and then laughed all the way to the bank without even trying to coach our team.

Tubby was a great bench coach: He just refused to get his hands dirty on the recruiting trail..

He refused to even get on the recruiting trail. Not many 16 year old basketball players are discovered on country club golf courses or shuffle board courts. And don't mention Saul, please. And, if he was such great bench coach...why didn't Dedric Lawson, Markel Crawford, Jeremiah Martin and the rest even make the tournament thats worse than the NIT?

And that stupid "but he didn't cheat" argument is just that, stupid, unless you think every coach with a team in the top 160 is cheating, we finished 161 last season. And if you do and don't like that, why would you even be reading this forum?

Tubby finished 161 on Kenpom last year after getting rid of all our good players and was on his way to recruiting the worst class we had ever seen.
Myreon Jones 3.3 ppg 22% from 3 (Penn ST 9-16 (2-12))
Conner Vannover 6.2 ppg 1 bpg (cal is 5-20 (0-13))

The reason the Lawson team did not make the NIT was because the Lawson father created division on the team and not a single person has come out the better because of it.

Vannover has steadily improved at Cal as the season has progressed. His last 5 games, he's averaging 12.4 ppg and 5.2 rpg.

Tubby did not have the will or desire to navigate the landmines here in the city; and Penny is much better equipped to do so. That being said, I think Tubby saw the program as a place he could go and provide him talent without having to travel the country looking for recruits. When he got here, however, it proved to be anything but that.

This is absolutely straight up 100% BS..

Players from that team have now confirmed the Tub of con didn't even try to start coaching them until mid January when we had won 17 games. Once he became involved, we lost like we were the worst team on the planet.

Dedric and the Lawsons were the only reason we had 17 wins, then the Tub of con came in and sabotaged things so he didn't have to compete with his first season...