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(02-04-2019 12:07 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 11:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:14 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-03-2019 06:01 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  Have to move on without Godwin. This team could be very good if they limit the dumb mistakes. The bad pass turnovers, the missed layups, giving up easy offensive rebounds, foot on the line fts, missed fts, etc. Clean that up and we can win the tournament

I honestly think we are better after Godwin's injury. That is not a shot a Godwin, I really like him, and think he is going to be a key piece to the future, but reality is we have a log jam on the perimeter and Justice would never have started getting the minutes he is now if Godwin was healthy. Right now, Justice makes us better than Godwin, and based on past history, I doubt JJ would be giving those minutes to Justice if Godwin was available.

I think you are underrating Godwin's defense ability and for the other team to account for him on offense. He wasn't putting up a lot of points but they still had to gameplan around him and make sure he's not open. Justice hasn't had that face him yet and I'm sure he will. Part of the reason Godwin is so missed is between him, X, BJ and Caver it really made it tough to defend. Thinking that we are better now simply because Justice is showing up in the box score is misguided, in my opinion.

Are you kidding me? On the offensive side there is zero contest as to which is more dynamic, which is more productive, or which demands more attention from the defense. I will grant you that Godwin was starting to shoot better, but at the end of the day he was barely better than a 30% three point shooter. Kitchart is shooting 44%. If the defense needs to run at anybody on our team, it is Kitchart. Justice also adds the ability to get to the rim and finish, and we will see more of that as teams start running him off the three point line. Justice is able to get us into transition a couple times a game to get easy looks as well. He has been a REALLY good offensive player for us, and easily our best three point shooter, and if you think he is just shooting a high percentage because defenses are not defending him with the same level of attention that they did Godwin, then I suggest you watch a little closer. He is working to get his shot, and he is making room to get shots up off the dribble. He is shooting the ball so well, that I keep thinking it is a fluke and the shots are going to stop falling, but they don't. The dude is as close to automatic from 3 point range as any player we have seen in a long time at ODU.

FWIW, Godwin shot 35% and 40% last year. Overall he has 110 attempts with 40 makes.

Kithcart has played extremely well in 3 out of the last 4 games, but we are talking about a pretty small sample. Im cool with him chucking 3s until he starts missing them.

Players need some time to hit their stride, and since getting enough minutes to do so, Justice has been really good. You really reinforced my argument that he would not have gotten enough minutes to show what he is capable of if Godwin hadn't gone out, forcing JJ to give him minutes.

(02-04-2019 12:57 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 12:36 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 11:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:14 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I honestly think we are better after Godwin's injury. That is not a shot a Godwin, I really like him, and think he is going to be a key piece to the future, but reality is we have a log jam on the perimeter and Justice would never have started getting the minutes he is now if Godwin was healthy. Right now, Justice makes us better than Godwin, and based on past history, I doubt JJ would be giving those minutes to Justice if Godwin was available.

I think you are underrating Godwin's defense ability and for the other team to account for him on offense. He wasn't putting up a lot of points but they still had to gameplan around him and make sure he's not open. Justice hasn't had that face him yet and I'm sure he will. Part of the reason Godwin is so missed is between him, X, BJ and Caver it really made it tough to defend. Thinking that we are better now simply because Justice is showing up in the box score is misguided, in my opinion.

Are you kidding me? On the offensive side there is zero contest as to which is more dynamic, which is more productive, or which demands more attention from the defense. I will grant you that Godwin was starting to shoot better, but at the end of the day he was barely better than a 30% three point shooter. Kitchart is shooting 44%. If the defense needs to run at anybody on our team, it is Kitchart. Justice also adds the ability to get to the rim and finish, and we will see more of that as teams start running him off the three point line. Justice is able to get us into transition a couple times a game to get easy looks as well. He has been a REALLY good offensive player for us, and easily our best three point shooter, and if you think he is just shooting a high percentage because defenses are not defending him with the same level of attention that they did Godwin, then I suggest you watch a little closer. He is working to get his shot, and he is making room to get shots up off the dribble. He is shooting the ball so well, that I keep thinking it is a fluke and the shots are going to stop falling, but they don't. The dude is as close to automatic from 3 point range as any player we have seen in a long time at ODU.

Can we cut out the "are you kidding me" and the "I suggest you watch closer?" Almost makes me not want to respond to you either. Do you want a difference in opinion from yours or not? I could just shut up if that's what you prefer.

And for the record, Godwin is a much better defender. If you don't want to account for that at all, up to you. I agree Kithcart is a much bigger offensive threat but he's also more of a defensive liability. It's working out so far.

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I am sorry. I don't typically go to that extreme, but that comment was that outlandish to me.... and if you watch Justice a little more closely, I think your opinion that he is just hitting open shots because nobody is guarding him will change.

I definitely think he makes contested shots and that teams don't leave him open. I'm just not sure he gets the same attention Marquis got, at least not yet. I could be wrong. Rice and UTSA have poor defense anyway so those aren't the best games to judge. Hope he keeps carrying the team

I hope teams give him more attention. More attention has to come at the expense of less attention somewhere else. Most would argue nearly all attention is focused on BJ and Ahmad. Reduce some of that and I think we're better all around. This is a good thing.

(02-04-2019 12:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 12:07 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 11:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:14 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I honestly think we are better after Godwin's injury. That is not a shot a Godwin, I really like him, and think he is going to be a key piece to the future, but reality is we have a log jam on the perimeter and Justice would never have started getting the minutes he is now if Godwin was healthy. Right now, Justice makes us better than Godwin, and based on past history, I doubt JJ would be giving those minutes to Justice if Godwin was available.

I think you are underrating Godwin's defense ability and for the other team to account for him on offense. He wasn't putting up a lot of points but they still had to gameplan around him and make sure he's not open. Justice hasn't had that face him yet and I'm sure he will. Part of the reason Godwin is so missed is between him, X, BJ and Caver it really made it tough to defend. Thinking that we are better now simply because Justice is showing up in the box score is misguided, in my opinion.

Are you kidding me? On the offensive side there is zero contest as to which is more dynamic, which is more productive, or which demands more attention from the defense. I will grant you that Godwin was starting to shoot better, but at the end of the day he was barely better than a 30% three point shooter. Kitchart is shooting 44%. If the defense needs to run at anybody on our team, it is Kitchart. Justice also adds the ability to get to the rim and finish, and we will see more of that as teams start running him off the three point line. Justice is able to get us into transition a couple times a game to get easy looks as well. He has been a REALLY good offensive player for us, and easily our best three point shooter, and if you think he is just shooting a high percentage because defenses are not defending him with the same level of attention that they did Godwin, then I suggest you watch a little closer. He is working to get his shot, and he is making room to get shots up off the dribble. He is shooting the ball so well, that I keep thinking it is a fluke and the shots are going to stop falling, but they don't. The dude is as close to automatic from 3 point range as any player we have seen in a long time at ODU.

FWIW, Godwin shot 35% and 40% last year. Overall he has 110 attempts with 40 makes.

Kithcart has played extremely well in 3 out of the last 4 games, but we are talking about a pretty small sample. Im cool with him chucking 3s until he starts missing them.

Players need some time to hit their stride, and since getting enough minutes to do so, Justice has been really good. You really reinforced my argument that he would not have gotten enough minutes to show what he is capable of if Godwin hadn't gone out, forcing JJ to give him minutes.

Wouldn't that fall under JJ not knowing what he has or knowing but being to stubborn to give in and let him play? I think this happens a lot with this team (hence: transfers!).

The good news is the guys will have some time to heal after Saturday at MTSU. Only one game in 13 days, home vs Charlotte on Saturday the 16th. Pod play doesn't start until Saturday the 23rd from what I can tell.

(02-04-2019 04:05 PM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 12:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 12:07 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 11:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I think you are underrating Godwin's defense ability and for the other team to account for him on offense. He wasn't putting up a lot of points but they still had to gameplan around him and make sure he's not open. Justice hasn't had that face him yet and I'm sure he will. Part of the reason Godwin is so missed is between him, X, BJ and Caver it really made it tough to defend. Thinking that we are better now simply because Justice is showing up in the box score is misguided, in my opinion.

Are you kidding me? On the offensive side there is zero contest as to which is more dynamic, which is more productive, or which demands more attention from the defense. I will grant you that Godwin was starting to shoot better, but at the end of the day he was barely better than a 30% three point shooter. Kitchart is shooting 44%. If the defense needs to run at anybody on our team, it is Kitchart. Justice also adds the ability to get to the rim and finish, and we will see more of that as teams start running him off the three point line. Justice is able to get us into transition a couple times a game to get easy looks as well. He has been a REALLY good offensive player for us, and easily our best three point shooter, and if you think he is just shooting a high percentage because defenses are not defending him with the same level of attention that they did Godwin, then I suggest you watch a little closer. He is working to get his shot, and he is making room to get shots up off the dribble. He is shooting the ball so well, that I keep thinking it is a fluke and the shots are going to stop falling, but they don't. The dude is as close to automatic from 3 point range as any player we have seen in a long time at ODU.

FWIW, Godwin shot 35% and 40% last year. Overall he has 110 attempts with 40 makes.

Kithcart has played extremely well in 3 out of the last 4 games, but we are talking about a pretty small sample. Im cool with him chucking 3s until he starts missing them.

Players need some time to hit their stride, and since getting enough minutes to do so, Justice has been really good. You really reinforced my argument that he would not have gotten enough minutes to show what he is capable of if Godwin hadn't gone out, forcing JJ to give him minutes.

Wouldn't that fall under JJ not knowing what he has or knowing but being to stubborn to give in and let him play? I think this happens a lot with this team (hence: transfers!).

Well, in my opinion, yes. I think he leaves pretty good offensive players to rot at times.

In fact, Reece's lack of playing time this year is pretty hard to explain. I can understand if he is not ready to be a much of a contributor, but I have a hard time believing that he is so much worse than Elbert that he cannot even get on the floor... at all... ever... It would seem to be beneficial for the future to get guys like that a couple minutes when you can.

Before all the "Reece needs time to get stronger, play better defense, and all that stuff" people come to attack, I am not saying he should be playing significant minutes. Not even saying he should play every game, or even most games, but you can't convince me from the little bit that I have seen of him that he is so bad that he cannot ever get off the bench...at all... ever...like he is a walk on.

Did some digging. Last time JJ put in the deep reserves in a blowout was Morgan State. Reece logged 3 minutes along with the other walkons Harris and Brill for 3 and 4 minutes respectively. It is odd that he is treated like a walk on.

Also interesting that JJ didn't feel confident in putting out the reserves in the USM game when we were up 20 with a minute to go. No other game in conference play has been a blow out.

This is what it looks like to me.

(Disclaimer) Total speculation, and not even well founded speculation at that.

JJ told the kid he wasn't going to see the court this year and he should redshirt. The kid opted not to redshirt. JJ is holding to what he told him at the outset.

(02-04-2019 12:59 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 12:07 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 11:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:53 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(02-04-2019 10:14 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I honestly think we are better after Godwin's injury. That is not a shot a Godwin, I really like him, and think he is going to be a key piece to the future, but reality is we have a log jam on the perimeter and Justice would never have started getting the minutes he is now if Godwin was healthy. Right now, Justice makes us better than Godwin, and based on past history, I doubt JJ would be giving those minutes to Justice if Godwin was available.

I think you are underrating Godwin's defense ability and for the other team to account for him on offense. He wasn't putting up a lot of points but they still had to gameplan around him and make sure he's not open. Justice hasn't had that face him yet and I'm sure he will. Part of the reason Godwin is so missed is between him, X, BJ and Caver it really made it tough to defend. Thinking that we are better now simply because Justice is showing up in the box score is misguided, in my opinion.

Are you kidding me? On the offensive side there is zero contest as to which is more dynamic, which is more productive, or which demands more attention from the defense. I will grant you that Godwin was starting to shoot better, but at the end of the day he was barely better than a 30% three point shooter. Kitchart is shooting 44%. If the defense needs to run at anybody on our team, it is Kitchart. Justice also adds the ability to get to the rim and finish, and we will see more of that as teams start running him off the three point line. Justice is able to get us into transition a couple times a game to get easy looks as well. He has been a REALLY good offensive player for us, and easily our best three point shooter, and if you think he is just shooting a high percentage because defenses are not defending him with the same level of attention that they did Godwin, then I suggest you watch a little closer. He is working to get his shot, and he is making room to get shots up off the dribble. He is shooting the ball so well, that I keep thinking it is a fluke and the shots are going to stop falling, but they don't. The dude is as close to automatic from 3 point range as any player we have seen in a long time at ODU.

FWIW, Godwin shot 35% and 40% last year. Overall he has 110 attempts with 40 makes.

Kithcart has played extremely well in 3 out of the last 4 games, but we are talking about a pretty small sample. Im cool with him chucking 3s until he starts missing them.

Players need some time to hit their stride, and since getting enough minutes to do so, Justice has been really good. You really reinforced my argument that he would not have gotten enough minutes to show what he is capable of if Godwin hadn't gone out, forcing JJ to give him minutes.

By quiting that Justice played right out of the gate and that Jones has always planned to have JK as a big part of the rotation?

Anyone that watches practice can see Reece is not ready. He would get minutes in blowouts but we’ve had almost all close games lately. Hes not gonna play unless we are in a bind.

The problem with some of the posts on here is people make up stories to fit a narrative they made up.

I thought this thread was about Kalu's injury??? Is there any update on that?

(02-05-2019 07:07 AM)Blue Moon Rising Wrote:  I thought this thread was about Kalu's injury??? Is there any update on that?

Good news. Kalu ran in practice today and should be good to go on Thursday.

(02-05-2019 12:15 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Anyone that watches practice can see Reece is not ready. He would get minutes in blowouts but we’ve had almost all close games lately. Hes not gonna play unless we are in a bind.

The problem with some of the posts on here is people make up stories to fit a narrative they made up.

How many practices have you attended this season?

(02-05-2019 04:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 12:15 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Anyone that watches practice can see Reece is not ready. He would get minutes in blowouts but we’ve had almost all close games lately. Hes not gonna play unless we are in a bind.

The problem with some of the posts on here is people make up stories to fit a narrative they made up.

How many practices have you attended this season?

He’s also the one who said Reece was gonna be special and we’ve never recruited anyone like him so take it with a grain of salt.

(02-05-2019 11:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 04:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(02-05-2019 12:15 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Anyone that watches practice can see Reece is not ready. He would get minutes in blowouts but we’ve had almost all close games lately. Hes not gonna play unless we are in a bind.

The problem with some of the posts on here is people make up stories to fit a narrative they made up.

How many practices have you attended this season?

He’s also the one who said Reece was gonna be special and we’ve never recruited anyone like him so take it with a grain of salt.

I'm not going to compare Reece with Bazemore, in the first year-to-last year development, as I don't believe he's in the same stratosphere. However, I'm also not going to write him off as a complete bust either. Hoping to see some good development going into year 2 & 3.

I never heard anyone say "we've never recruited anyone like him". Can you provide a screenshot of that post so we can confirm you're not making up things again?

No big deal we are so loaded we don't need a 6'9" 200 lb PF. JJ has this all figured out (my way or highway!).

People are funny. On one hand they complain that Carver gets too many minutes because he’s a detriment to the team when he’s on the floor; yet on the other hand a young man who it has been said is less prepared (albeit probably more talented) should be getting more PT.

Funny's not the word I had in mind.

Sorry to derail the conversation but does anyone know if Kalu has been practicing? Expected to play tomorrow?