So excited for the premiere of Siesta Key tonight.

(01-22-2019 06:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  Memphis Yankee why does every post you make contain insults or name calling....

Went to a marriage counselor once. He told my wife not to use the words always, never and every, unless you want to start an argument.

Every post doesn't and you know it. Not hardly. Read some of your posts once in a while. You're the dig queen. Insult after insult.

(01-22-2019 05:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:39 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I'm not joking... are you as thick headed in real life as you are on the internet?

literally my point was Coach Sampson has been around for 30 years. Mick has been around 16 years.

So its only fair to compare Mick's first 16 years to Kelvin Sampson first 16 years.

How did you miss that point? How ? I don't get it.

What in the world does Kelvin Sampson's phone calls have to do with it. Did I mention them? I don't think I did.


Sampson has caught up to Cronin.... Because a Key cog in our rotation decided to leave early for the NBA DRAFT and was a 1sr Round pick. Had he stuck around as Cronin had intended, and the bearcats are breast feeding this league once again.


You're so dense that you can't even grasp what I'm saying.


Its like comparing the lifelong accomplishments of Michael Jordan to Luka Doncic.. Luka's story is still being written. Sampson's is almost done.



AND LOL how can show a graph where MICK Cronin has Plateaued? He had BACK TO BACK 30 win seasons bruh.. You can't really do much better than that. And he is well on his way to close to 30 wins this season and has zero plans of stopping.


LOL Houston is NOT GOING TO BE BETTER NEXT YEAR. They just won't. Mark it down. Remember it. they wont be 18-1 this time next year. Sorry bruh... I guess this is as good as it gets for Houston

1) i get your 16 year point...what im saying is that its bad comparision.. your point is it took Sampson 16 years to achieve greatness, Cronin has only coached 16 year.

- my response to that was that it lacked context..sampsons first few years were at a program that had 3 20 win seasons in 70 years before him..that isnt what mick cronin was handed...

2)you had back to back 30 win season because you transitioned into the aac that started slow.. my plateau comment was about the quality of team, as it refelcts in your tourney performance not the number of wins

3) again Sampson is 8 years younger than coach k, and coach k said 5 months isn't retiring anytime soon..
my guess is that sampson has 5 to 8 years left...closing his book before that seems silly as we have a 18-1 team now, we are projected just as good next year, and 2020 could be scary as hinton, dejon, white, alley, greshem will all be upperclassman, and if you look at 247 we are favored to land some dudes

Quote:Houston is NOT GOING TO BE BETTER NEXT YEAR.They just won't

like every other prediction, you have made?

sampson literally says his dream player is justin gorham who is sitting out this year, and could have been a starter

on the rothstein podcast 2 weeks ago Sampson said our most talented players arent our starters (every senior is a starter)..2 and 2 together

we have 2 free scholarships, we havent recruited a 2019 players in 4 months..sampson already publicly says he is confident in next years teams and we are saving those schollies in case something pops up (transfer, late decommit)

im not saying 18-1 (i dont know next years schedule) but the quality of the team will be as good, potentially better

sampson develop rob gray from a chubby juco spot shooter to an elite level guard..but you doubtssampson cant develop our projected all 4star starting lineup next season all with atleast a year under sampson into a good team.. LOL

Yeah but didn’t he make Rob Gray any taller.

(01-22-2019 06:55 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:20 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:39 PM)justinhub2003 Wrote:  I'm not joking... are you as thick headed in real life as you are on the internet?

literally my point was Coach Sampson has been around for 30 years. Mick has been around 16 years.

So its only fair to compare Mick's first 16 years to Kelvin Sampson first 16 years.

How did you miss that point? How ? I don't get it.

What in the world does Kelvin Sampson's phone calls have to do with it. Did I mention them? I don't think I did.


Sampson has caught up to Cronin.... Because a Key cog in our rotation decided to leave early for the NBA DRAFT and was a 1sr Round pick. Had he stuck around as Cronin had intended, and the bearcats are breast feeding this league once again.


You're so dense that you can't even grasp what I'm saying.


Its like comparing the lifelong accomplishments of Michael Jordan to Luka Doncic.. Luka's story is still being written. Sampson's is almost done.



AND LOL how can show a graph where MICK Cronin has Plateaued? He had BACK TO BACK 30 win seasons bruh.. You can't really do much better than that. And he is well on his way to close to 30 wins this season and has zero plans of stopping.


LOL Houston is NOT GOING TO BE BETTER NEXT YEAR. They just won't. Mark it down. Remember it. they wont be 18-1 this time next year. Sorry bruh... I guess this is as good as it gets for Houston

1) i get your 16 year point...what im saying is that its bad comparision.. your point is it took Sampson 16 years to achieve greatness, Cronin has only coached 16 year.

- my response to that was that it lacked context..sampsons first few years were at a program that had 3 20 win seasons in 70 years before him..that isnt what mick cronin was handed...

2)you had back to back 30 win season because you transitioned into the aac that started slow.. my plateau comment was about the quality of team, as it refelcts in your tourney performance not the number of wins

3) again Sampson is 8 years younger than coach k, and coach k said 5 months isn't retiring anytime soon..
my guess is that sampson has 5 to 8 years left...closing his book before that seems silly as we have a 18-1 team now, we are projected just as good next year, and 2020 could be scary as hinton, dejon, white, alley, greshem will all be upperclassman, and if you look at 247 we are favored to land some dudes

Quote:Houston is NOT GOING TO BE BETTER NEXT YEAR.They just won't

like every other prediction, you have made?

sampson literally says his dream player is justin gorham who is sitting out this year, and could have been a starter

on the rothstein podcast 2 weeks ago Sampson said our most talented players arent our starters (every senior is a starter)..2 and 2 together

we have 2 free scholarships, we havent recruited a 2019 players in 4 months..sampson already publicly says he is confident in next years teams and we are saving those schollies in case something pops up (transfer, late decommit)

im not saying 18-1 (i dont know next years schedule) but the quality of the team will be as good, potentially better

sampson develop rob gray from a chubby juco spot shooter to an elite level guard..but you doubtssampson cant develop our projected all 4star starting lineup next season all with atleast a year under sampson into a good team.. LOL

Yeah but didn’t he make Rob Gray any taller.

Yes he did. The man-bun added 2 inches.

(01-22-2019 06:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  Memphis Yankee why does every post you make contain insults or name calling....

Went to a marriage counselor once. He told my wife not to use the words always, never and every, unless you want to start an argument.

Every post doesn't and you know. Not hardly. Read some of your posts once in a while. You're the dig queen. Insult after insult.

you point of "always" is a good one..ill change it to "often"

and i dont insult or dig anyone, not agreeing with my opinion isnt insult. if you said you didnt think houston was good and would not make the tournament, thats not insulting houston but given your opinion...thats the extent i take it

im not trashing anyone with insults or trying to bash like a few of your posts do

(01-22-2019 06:29 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:36 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:19 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 02:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  lol the acc is a battle every night, 30% in the acc is the definition of "almost never bad, they also are rarely ever elite"..he beat at least 1 top 25 every single year he was at gtech

and lol using current aac conference records is meaningless...memphis has played the softest schedule so they look great, usf has played arguably the hardest conference slate and could have honestly came out 5-1 with how close the games were

Did you take a look at ECU's opening conference slate before you put Dooley last? Take a look at these games:

SMU at SMU
Cincinnati at ECU
Memphis at Memphis
UCF at UCF
Temple at ECU
Houston at Houston

That is the most difficult schedule in the conference. That is literally the top 6 teams in the standings and 4 of those 6 games have been on the road.

2018-19 American Standings
TEAM CONF
UH 5-1
Cincinnati 5-1
UCF 4-1
Temple 4-1
Memphis 4-1
SMU 3-3
USF 2-4
Tulsa 2-4
UConn 2-4
WSU 1-4
ECU 1-4
Tulane 0-5

i like dooley but his resume is worse than everyone not named hardaway in the league..and hardway has 5stars coming into the league

im not saying dooley is bad or that he wont move up..but simple looking at whats on the table now he is last...if he turns ecu around he obviously shoots up

You need to do some more research on Dooley before you keep writing stuff.
Dooley was the top assistant and top recruiter on a Kansas team that won the national championship in 2008. At FGCU Dooley went to 5 post season tournaments (2 NCAA, 2 NIT, 1 CIT) in the 5 seasons he was there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Dooley_(basketball)

What difference does it make that Hardaway has 5 star players coming into the league? Pastner used to bring in a truck load of 4* and 5* players every year at Memphis, but they still fired him.

Btw, you only think highly of Gregory because USF looks better this year when he has his own players. Last year they looked horrible when he inherited the previous coach's kids. Dooley has ECU looking good this season with Lebo's players. Think about that for a minute. Dooley has been competitive with Lebo's kids. Dooley only has one player that he recruited on the current roster.

why dont you go do some research, why do people criticize rankings if the only thing you know about is your own team....you cant compare when you only know 1 ..this isnt a "are they good or bad list"...10 doesn't mean they are bad..

"(2 NCAA, 2 NIT, 1 CIT)"

that is worse than everyone not named Hardaway in respect to resume

also 2 auto bids doesnt trump the potential of playing with elite recruits, including the #1 player in the nation..bringing in talent is a key aspect to coaching
also penny is doing better this year than ecu both in year 1

and again when dooley dominates with his own kids we'll all move him up..

How does anyone take you seriously? You are talking crap about Dooley taking FGCU to the NCAA tournament twice from a one bid conference, but apparently you didn't notice that Tim Jankovich could never do that while at North Texas (Southland and Big West) or Illinois State (MVC). Janknovich never coached in the NCAA tournament until he got to coach in the multibid AAC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Jankovich

Brian Gregory has only been to the NCAA tournament twice in his whole career and both of those occasions were at Dayton (A10). He only won the A10 once and he never finished above 11th at Georgia Tech in the ACC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Gregory


So how exactly is either one of those guys better than Dooley?

(01-22-2019 06:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  Memphis Yankee why does every post you make contain insults or name calling....

Went to a marriage counselor once. He told my wife not to use the words always, never and every, unless you want to start an argument.

Every post doesn't and you know. Not hardly. Read some of your posts once in a while. You're the dig queen. Insult after insult.

you point of "always" is a good one..ill change it to "often"

and i dont insult or dig anyone, not agreeing with my opinion isnt insult. if you said you didnt think houston was good and would not make the tournament, thats not insulting houston but given your opinion...thats the extent i take it

im not trashing anyone with insults or trying to bash like a few of your posts do

Truce.

(01-22-2019 06:59 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:51 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:43 PM)pesik Wrote:  Memphis Yankee why does every post you make contain insults or name calling....

Went to a marriage counselor once. He told my wife not to use the words always, never and every, unless you want to start an argument.

Every post doesn't and you know. Not hardly. Read some of your posts once in a while. You're the dig queen. Insult after insult.

you point of "always" is a good one..ill change it to "often"

and i dont insult or dig anyone, not agreeing with my opinion isnt insult. if you said you didnt think houston was good and would not make the tournament, thats not insulting houston but given your opinion...thats the extent i take it

im not trashing anyone with insults or trying to bash like a few of your posts do

I think you think people are insulted by your posts. They’re not. Your opinions are just dumb and they let you know that.

(01-22-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:37 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:52 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I think I agree with you on the overall ranking of Cronin vs Sampson, but this is a grossly inaccurate portrayal of the UC basketball situation/program when Cronin took over. We had 2 recruits to play his first year, and one of them was Deonta Vaughn, who had I believe only one single scholarship offer in all of D1 (I believe it was from Oakland). Literally the entire roster was jucos (and not the good kind), and those two guys. We had Connor Barwin guarding Greg Oden for goodness sakes.

the 1st year was excusable, not saying that.....but it took 4 years for him to get back to decent

cincy wasnt a 4 year rebuild type of program...uc fiinish top 25 11 of the 14 seasons before mick arrived recruiting/culture shouldnt have been a build up
he was almost fired

I still strongly disagree. UC was a Top 100 team after two years. That's decent in my eyes. And it's pretty impressive considering we started with scrubs and no-one.

Cronin was on the hot seat because UC doesn't find missing the tournament acceptable. But he absolutely turned that program around by year 3. The fact that we were in a brutal Big East stopped more wins in Years 3/4, but those teams were solid. If Houston had comparable expectations to UC, Sampson would have been on the hot seat going into 2017 after 3 straight missed tourneys and 2 NIT first round losses.

Say what you will about Cronin's March failings, and I and everyone else can say plenty, but he deserves credit for rebuilding the absolute dumpster fire that was UC's basketball program after Huggins and Zimpher (and it was both of them) burned it to the ground.

the part i bolded showed you missed my point
cronin was given a reputation, money & facilities. Sampson was given nothing ..the expectations should be different

cincy was already elite in the eyes of the nation and with top-level fan support and facilities ..recruiting and building a culture of winning isnt that same as Houston

before Fertitta Houston hadnt upgraded any of its facilities since the swc crash..a coach before Sampson (tom penders) had an infamous article complaining about the rampant rat problem in our old arena and how the players werent allowed to shower there because the water there was contaminated (and that was the only place they could practice), in front of 200 fans per game ..with a horrible reputation in the local area...and only 1 undeserved auto bid in the 30 years prior for the ncaa

houston (the metro) is one of the top 3 recruiting hotbeds in America (#2 in respect to producing d1 players)..Sampson was only able to recruit 1 Houston player in his 1st 3 cycles, despite offering all of them (a legacy, in galen robinson)...everyone else has been out of state juco...
2020 is the 1st year we are expected to get elite houston kids...
winning at cincy and winning at houston pre-sampson are complete different things

our next coach wont be given 4 years now that all of that is estabilished

I think you’ve lost sight of the original point I disagreed with. I’ll grant you I brought up Sampson, but it wasn’t trying to compare rebuilding jobs, it was to try and get you to understand that expectations were different and out of line with the reality of our program.

You still don’t fully grasp the situation Cronin walked into. He walked into a proud program that had been successful by recruiting guys with questionable academics and attitudes, and turning them around into a basketball team by focusing that attitude on the court. He was given explicit instructions to change the way we did things. No more arrests, no more drop outs. No more jucos. He was starting over. Yes, he had the programs reputation and good fan support (facilities were pretty meh at the time tbh), but you severely undersold the job he did rebuilding up the program in your original post.

(01-22-2019 06:59 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  How does anyone take you seriously? You are talking crap about Dooley taking FGCU to the NCAA tournament twice from a one bid conference, but apparently you didn't notice that Tim Jankovich could never do that while at North Texas (Southland and Big West) or Illinois State (MVC). Janknovich never coached in the NCAA tournament until he got to coach in the multibid AAC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Jankovich

Brian Gregory has only been to the NCAA tournament twice in his whole career and both of those occasions were at Dayton (A10). He only won the A10 once and he never finished above 11th at Georgia Tech in the ACC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Gregory


So how exactly is either one of those guys better than Dooley?

so how they do in the tourney doesnt matter??? that is literally the main complaint we are talking about with cronin

dooley has never gotten out of the 1st round of anything.

gregory has won a tournament game and was a NIT champion, gregory has accomplished more, its not even a debate
(*as a head coach)
jank took a team 30-5 and was coach of the year in a multi-bid league..and also has nit tournemnt wins and an ncaa atlarge

also most of your points still all fall under my main point...
you are saying dooley was restrained by his 1bid league....that doesnt prove that dooley would have gotten at-larges in a multibid league

main point: no one is saying dooley is bad, but at this very point in his career with what everyone has brought or for sure bringing to the table, imo dooley is last...for right now

you guys are whinning like i said he was trash, or that he would be forever bad...i literally even said he will shoot up all of our rankings if he turns ecu around

Such disrespect for Coach P. #Shameful

(01-22-2019 07:33 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Such disrespect for Coach P. #Shameful

This thread has blossomed well....

sad to see no WSU/Memphis action but otherwise, my work is done here.

other things i've noticed...

Dowdy Pirate likes to argue with...well, anyone.

Memphis fans in general are nasty, like cornered little animals.

Pesik is legit.

(01-22-2019 07:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:37 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:52 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I think I agree with you on the overall ranking of Cronin vs Sampson, but this is a grossly inaccurate portrayal of the UC basketball situation/program when Cronin took over. We had 2 recruits to play his first year, and one of them was Deonta Vaughn, who had I believe only one single scholarship offer in all of D1 (I believe it was from Oakland). Literally the entire roster was jucos (and not the good kind), and those two guys. We had Connor Barwin guarding Greg Oden for goodness sakes.

the 1st year was excusable, not saying that.....but it took 4 years for him to get back to decent

cincy wasnt a 4 year rebuild type of program...uc fiinish top 25 11 of the 14 seasons before mick arrived recruiting/culture shouldnt have been a build up
he was almost fired

I still strongly disagree. UC was a Top 100 team after two years. That's decent in my eyes. And it's pretty impressive considering we started with scrubs and no-one.

Cronin was on the hot seat because UC doesn't find missing the tournament acceptable. But he absolutely turned that program around by year 3. The fact that we were in a brutal Big East stopped more wins in Years 3/4, but those teams were solid. If Houston had comparable expectations to UC, Sampson would have been on the hot seat going into 2017 after 3 straight missed tourneys and 2 NIT first round losses.

Say what you will about Cronin's March failings, and I and everyone else can say plenty, but he deserves credit for rebuilding the absolute dumpster fire that was UC's basketball program after Huggins and Zimpher (and it was both of them) burned it to the ground.

the part i bolded showed you missed my point
cronin was given a reputation, money & facilities. Sampson was given nothing ..the expectations should be different

cincy was already elite in the eyes of the nation and with top-level fan support and facilities ..recruiting and building a culture of winning isnt that same as Houston

before Fertitta Houston hadnt upgraded any of its facilities since the swc crash..a coach before Sampson (tom penders) had an infamous article complaining about the rampant rat problem in our old arena and how the players werent allowed to shower there because the water there was contaminated (and that was the only place they could practice), in front of 200 fans per game ..with a horrible reputation in the local area...and only 1 undeserved auto bid in the 30 years prior for the ncaa

houston (the metro) is one of the top 3 recruiting hotbeds in America (#2 in respect to producing d1 players)..Sampson was only able to recruit 1 Houston player in his 1st 3 cycles, despite offering all of them (a legacy, in galen robinson)...everyone else has been out of state juco...
2020 is the 1st year we are expected to get elite houston kids...
winning at cincy and winning at houston pre-sampson are complete different things

our next coach wont be given 4 years now that all of that is estabilished

I think you’ve lost sight of the original point I disagreed with. I’ll grant you I brought up Sampson, but it wasn’t trying to compare rebuilding jobs, it was to try and get you to understand that expectations were different and out of line with the reality of our program.

You still don’t fully grasp the situation Cronin walked into. He walked into a proud program that had been successful by recruiting guys with questionable academics and attitudes, and turning them around into a basketball team by focusing that attitude on the court. He was given explicit instructions to change the way we did things. No more arrests, no more drop outs. No more jucos. He was starting over. Yes, he had the programs reputation and good fan support (facilities were pretty meh at the time tbh), but you severely undersold the job he did rebuilding up the program in your original post.

Not a big Cronin guy and I do agree that Sampson is the better coach, however, Cronin did a magnificent job in the rebuild. Unfortunately, he has plateaued. One other significant point about the rebuild. Cincinnati had a fractured fan base after the Bob Huggins firing. Many were more loyal to Bob than the bearcats. One poster On here went so far as to follow Kansas State. At any rate, Mick has had to reunite the fan base and put together a winning team. Not an easy talk.

(01-22-2019 07:52 PM)rosewater Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 07:17 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:12 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:37 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 05:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  the 1st year was excusable, not saying that.....but it took 4 years for him to get back to decent

cincy wasnt a 4 year rebuild type of program...uc fiinish top 25 11 of the 14 seasons before mick arrived recruiting/culture shouldnt have been a build up
he was almost fired

I still strongly disagree. UC was a Top 100 team after two years. That's decent in my eyes. And it's pretty impressive considering we started with scrubs and no-one.

Cronin was on the hot seat because UC doesn't find missing the tournament acceptable. But he absolutely turned that program around by year 3. The fact that we were in a brutal Big East stopped more wins in Years 3/4, but those teams were solid. If Houston had comparable expectations to UC, Sampson would have been on the hot seat going into 2017 after 3 straight missed tourneys and 2 NIT first round losses.

Say what you will about Cronin's March failings, and I and everyone else can say plenty, but he deserves credit for rebuilding the absolute dumpster fire that was UC's basketball program after Huggins and Zimpher (and it was both of them) burned it to the ground.

the part i bolded showed you missed my point
cronin was given a reputation, money & facilities. Sampson was given nothing ..the expectations should be different

cincy was already elite in the eyes of the nation and with top-level fan support and facilities ..recruiting and building a culture of winning isnt that same as Houston

before Fertitta Houston hadnt upgraded any of its facilities since the swc crash..a coach before Sampson (tom penders) had an infamous article complaining about the rampant rat problem in our old arena and how the players werent allowed to shower there because the water there was contaminated (and that was the only place they could practice), in front of 200 fans per game ..with a horrible reputation in the local area...and only 1 undeserved auto bid in the 30 years prior for the ncaa

houston (the metro) is one of the top 3 recruiting hotbeds in America (#2 in respect to producing d1 players)..Sampson was only able to recruit 1 Houston player in his 1st 3 cycles, despite offering all of them (a legacy, in galen robinson)...everyone else has been out of state juco...
2020 is the 1st year we are expected to get elite houston kids...
winning at cincy and winning at houston pre-sampson are complete different things

our next coach wont be given 4 years now that all of that is estabilished

I think you’ve lost sight of the original point I disagreed with. I’ll grant you I brought up Sampson, but it wasn’t trying to compare rebuilding jobs, it was to try and get you to understand that expectations were different and out of line with the reality of our program.

You still don’t fully grasp the situation Cronin walked into. He walked into a proud program that had been successful by recruiting guys with questionable academics and attitudes, and turning them around into a basketball team by focusing that attitude on the court. He was given explicit instructions to change the way we did things. No more arrests, no more drop outs. No more jucos. He was starting over. Yes, he had the programs reputation and good fan support (facilities were pretty meh at the time tbh), but you severely undersold the job he did rebuilding up the program in your original post.

Not a big Cronin guy and I do agree that Sampson is the better coach, however, Cronin did a magnificent job in the rebuild. Unfortunately, he has plateaued. One other significant point about the rebuild. Cincinnati had a fractured fan base after the Bob Huggins firing. Many were more loyal to Bob than the bearcats. One poster On here went so far as to follow Kansas State. At any rate, Mick has had to reunite the fan base and put together a winning team. Not an easy talk.

that wasn't me, in case anybody here was wondering....the guy you are referring too generally stays in the UC side of the pool in this forum.

(01-22-2019 06:15 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 02:13 PM)pesik Wrote:  1) 2. Sampson UH- won EVERY where he has gone, at an elite level normally with less talent (1 lottery pick in his entire career)

2) 1. Marshall WSU- i have questions about his ability to win in bigger league to the level of succes he had at mvc

3) 3. Cronin UC- lack of tourney success but always gets them there

4) 10. Dunphy Temple- this is the worst 3 year run of his career..it says alot when that includes a 14-4 season

5) 6. Hurley UCONN- eliter recruiter, elite x and os, elite motivator..i think he will join the ranks of the "elite coaches" in few years

6) 11. Haith Tulsa - can get you into the ncaa once every 4 years, with some occasional nits

7) 4. Gregory USF- his teams are almost never bad, they also are rarely ever elite

8) 5. Dawkins UCF - remove the recency bias (this specific year, with tons of seniors, unique 7'6 player) he has the inability to make elite teams, even when expected.. lots of nit experience

9) 9. Jank SMU- larry browns players but 30-5 regardless is not easy to do..he has no ability to recruit what so ever, but is a quality x and os guy

10) 12. Dunleavy Sr. Tulane- was the nba coach of the year at 1 point, tulane isnt an easy place to win or recruit, its only year 3...im on the fire dunleavy train, but most coach would be in the same situation had they gone to tulane

11) 7. Hardaway Memphis- honestly hasnt shown me anything (..yet)..ironic that its tubby's juco that he developed, that Memphis fans complained about that, that are carrying Memphis .. elite recruiting is still a coaching ability

12) 8. Dooley ECU - i dont think he is bad, but someone has to be last

LOL Joe Dooley last. He’s only been to the postseason 17 seasons in a row.

Did you just count his years as an assistant? LOL. I'm not sure Bill Self is gonna let Dooley put those on his head coaching record.

So far Penny has done the best job in this conference by mile in my opinion. First, he created a brand new and exciting buzz for the team in the city, one that had been totally absent under Tubby. Then, in like four or five weeks recruiting in 2018, we went from zero recruits to a top 30 class. After that he raised ticket sales and donations about four million dollars. And to top all of that Penny got the number one recruit in the nation, the first-ever decommit from Calipari at Kentucky, and we now have the number 13 rank recruiting class for 2019 and, by all accounts, we're not done.

Attention Payday, if you decide to take part in this thread and post your own rankings, just keep it to AAC. I don't want to come in here and see that you have Cronin in front of Mike Krzyzewski, Tom Izzo, or any of the other elite coaches in the nation. Thanks.

(01-22-2019 07:27 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 06:59 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  How does anyone take you seriously? You are talking crap about Dooley taking FGCU to the NCAA tournament twice from a one bid conference, but apparently you didn't notice that Tim Jankovich could never do that while at North Texas (Southland and Big West) or Illinois State (MVC). Janknovich never coached in the NCAA tournament until he got to coach in the multibid AAC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Jankovich

Brian Gregory has only been to the NCAA tournament twice in his whole career and both of those occasions were at Dayton (A10). He only won the A10 once and he never finished above 11th at Georgia Tech in the ACC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Gregory


So how exactly is either one of those guys better than Dooley?

so how they do in the tourney doesnt matter??? that is literally the main complaint we are talking about with cronin

dooley has never gotten out of the 1st round of anything.

gregory has won a tournament game and was a NIT champion, gregory has accomplished more, its not even a debate
(*as a head coach)
jank took a team 30-5 and was coach of the year in a multi-bid league..and also has nit tournemnt wins and an ncaa atlarge

also most of your points still all fall under my main point...
you are saying dooley was restrained by his 1bid league....that doesnt prove that dooley would have gotten at-larges in a multibid league

main point: no one is saying dooley is bad, but at this very point in his career with what everyone has brought or for sure bringing to the table, imo dooley is last...for right now

you guys are whinning like i said he was trash, or that he would be forever bad...i literally even said he will shoot up all of our rankings if he turns ecu around

You say our yet nobody else has placed him last...