Volkmar
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RE: Hypothetical 16 team playoff discussion
(01-01-2019 10:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (01-01-2019 10:11 PM)Volkmar Wrote: (01-01-2019 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: (01-01-2019 07:58 PM)Volkmar Wrote: (01-01-2019 07:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: It absolutely is a broken sport and the P5 has no interest in upsetting the apple cart, I cannot understand how anyone believes the P5 wants to walk away from this system.
Without the possibility of buying 2-4 G5 games a year, the power structure and hierarchy within the P5 changes dramatically.
You think that Wake Forest/Kansas/Indiana et al of the world will vote to become the punching bags for the entire division? Or be able to be bought for paycheck games for ~$1.5M? Kansas could tell Bama to pay them $10M, play a 1-1, or pound sand.
I think if a divide comes it will be because the G5 forces the issue and tells the P5 we're tired of making up half a division and fighting for table scraps with no shot of ever even sniffing the postseason that actually means something. The G5 are FBS in name only, as long as the P5 has us under their thumb, they have no reason to breakaway.
No one wants to be a punching bag, but there will always be punching bag programs in every football division unless those programs step up and force someone else to become the punching bags. It's just how things are, and always will be. And those that don't wanna go along with it, can't keep up, or just aren't wanted, might be forced out and left behind, much like Houston, SMU, and Rice were when the Southwest Conference disbanded and the new Big 12 was formed.
And yes, the G5 are indeed FBS in name only, which is why I think it's only a matter of time before the line between us is clearcut. We'll just agree to disagree on that.
I just do not see how anyone can believe in the logistics of this separation.
The current bottom of the P5 give up the chance of playing in bowl game, the current middle of the P5 ends up having to scrap for bowl eligibility annually and the top of the P5 will have to give up having eight home games nearly every year or fork over exponentially more money to do so.
The shark can survive without the remora, but they know how much more comfortable their life is with the remoras around.
Personally I'm tired of this broken mess and I hope the collective G5 brass starts upping their fight, the worst that can happen is speed along something you believe is inevitable anyhow.
The bottom of the P5 already give up a chance to play in bowl games. Because of the exhausting number of bowl games, .500 teams typically still get in though, and there's no reason to believe that would change.
The bowl games have already been restructured to accommodate the current 4-team tournament, as the Cotton and Orange Bowls are used for the semis. So if the G5 and P5 eventually do separate, as I think they will, why couldn't other bowl games be restructured to accommodate both a G5 tournament on one hand, and a P5 tournament on the other?
As for the P5 giving up home games, tell me which P5 plays 8 home games. I don't know of any, but maybe I missed one somewhere. I know that many P5's, if not most, play 7 home games though. But if there were a separation, why couldn't the P5 still allow one win against a G5 to remain eligible for their own bowls and/or playoffs, just as we're currently still allowed one win against an FCS toward our own bowl eligibility? And why wouldn't they still be able to host that game with a big payout to one of our schools just as they do now?
As for the shark needing us to live in comfort, that's just a no. With the money from rich donors and networks coming in annually, they don't need us for ****...lol. None of that would change if the split were made, and money from bowl games, while valuable to us, is chump change to them. That's not where they get the majority of their revenue anyway, and they'd still be just as comfortable as they are now.
There are countless P5s who got bowl eligible by scheduling 2-4 FCS/G5 programs, even still allowing one G5 game would mean the P5 programs that occassionally get bowl eligible would likely never get bowl eligible and those middle tier P5s that are perennially 6-8 wins and do it on the backs of 2-4 G5/FCS games would have a very different reality.
You aren't looking at things clearly, the remora analogy is spot on, like I said, the P5 can undoubtedly survive without us, but you don't have a clue if you don't believe we make their life dramatically more comfortable.
Maybe I'm not making myself clear, or you're not reading all of what I'm writing, so I'll try again... P5 programs don't need bowl eligibility to make themselves feel good about who they are, or even for the revenue.
Here's what you're missing about all this... In our little G5 world, making a bowl game means the world because it means money and exposure we don't normally get. The Vanderbilts of the world get that exposure anyway, and they already get a helluva a lot more money just by virtue of their conference affiliation and their donors, not to mention, respect. Step out of your G5 bubble for a moment, and put yourself in the shoes of the P5, because your perspective isn't theirs.
You're also all over the place. You just got through saying P5's schedule G5's to pad their wins for bowl eligibility, implying our inferiority, and yet you're also trying to argue that G5 conference champions are deserving of entry into a national playoff tournament alongside those P5's just because they can beat other G5's...lol. As I said hours ago now, Boise State, the G5 flagship program, is 151-17 (.899) against G5's since 2003, and 26-17 (.605) against P5 programs. There's a HUGE difference between winning 90% of your games against G5 competition and winning only 60% against P5. We would laugh our asses off at any P5 school with a .605 record being talked about as a candidate for a national championship. And guess what... Winning 90% (and in some cases, even 100%) of your games against G5 impresses other G5, not the P5.
Jesus, can we just finally agree to disagree, because I'm not one for round-and-rounds, and have other things to do. lol
(This post was last modified: 01-01-2019 11:18 PM by Volkmar.)
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