App as 15th seed...


eh

Edit: I didn't mean this to bash any other team, but I don't think were the 2nd worst conf champ. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

(12-29-2018 10:10 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  App as 15th seed...


eh

Edit: I didn't mean this to bash any other team, but I don't think were the 2nd worst conf champ. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think UCF and Fresno State would have been considered “better.”

NIU would be the clear 16.

So it’s a tossup between Appalachian State and UAB.

Before bowls kicked off is when this seeding would have taken place, and UAB had votes in the top 25, so it’s a tossup and completely debateable.

Now, with what we’ve seen post bowl, yeah, it’s possible they could have been better than UAB. But that’s the debate as I see it.

(12-29-2018 10:10 PM)FTE_rawr Wrote:  App as 15th seed...

Keep the top 4 (Or 5... if you want the P5 to be happy), and then seed the rest based on their conference rankings then.

I think the 8 team scenario with one guaranteed G5 spot is the best bet.

I think the 8 team playoff with the G5 not getting anything is the most likely outcome. Can't let dem dar G5ers get access to da money and da croots!

(12-29-2018 11:15 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Here is how this years tournament could look. Take all the conference champions as auto bids, and the rest as at-large bids...here is what you get.

Discuss...

SEC ALABAMA 1
BIG 10 OHIO STATE 6
BIG 12 OKLAHOMA 4
ACC CLEMSON 2
PAC 10 WASHINGTON 9
MOUNTAIN WEST FRESNO STATE
CUSA UAB
MAC NORTHERN ILLINOIS
SUN BELT APPALACHIAN STATE
AMERICAN UCF 8

AT LARGE
NOTRE DAME 3
GEORGIA 5
MICHIGAN 7
FLORIDA 10
LSU 11
PENN STATE 12


SEEDINGS

(1) ALABAMA
(16) NORTHERN ILLINOIS

(8) UCF
(9) WASHINGTON


(4) OKLAHOMA
(13) FRESNO STATE

(5) GEORGIA
(12) PENN STATE


(3) NOTRE DAME
(14) UAB

(6) OHIO STATE
(11) LSU


(7) MICHIGAN
(10) FLORIDA

(2) CLEMSON
(15) APPALACHIAN STATE

So you wanna shorten the regular season then? If we have a 16-team football playoff, you could have as many as two teams playing a 17-game season.

(12-31-2018 09:29 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 11:15 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Here is how this years tournament could look. Take all the conference champions as auto bids, and the rest as at-large bids...here is what you get.

Discuss...

SEC ALABAMA 1
BIG 10 OHIO STATE 6
BIG 12 OKLAHOMA 4
ACC CLEMSON 2
PAC 10 WASHINGTON 9
MOUNTAIN WEST FRESNO STATE
CUSA UAB
MAC NORTHERN ILLINOIS
SUN BELT APPALACHIAN STATE
AMERICAN UCF 8

AT LARGE
NOTRE DAME 3
GEORGIA 5
MICHIGAN 7
FLORIDA 10
LSU 11
PENN STATE 12


SEEDINGS

(1) ALABAMA
(16) NORTHERN ILLINOIS

(8) UCF
(9) WASHINGTON


(4) OKLAHOMA
(13) FRESNO STATE

(5) GEORGIA
(12) PENN STATE


(3) NOTRE DAME
(14) UAB

(6) OHIO STATE
(11) LSU


(7) MICHIGAN
(10) FLORIDA

(2) CLEMSON
(15) APPALACHIAN STATE

So you wanna shorten the regular season then? If we have a 16-team football playoff, you could have as many as two teams playing a 17-game season.

Games would play Friday and Saturday. This year that would have been the weekend after the Army Navy game Dec 14-15. The following week December 21-22 and this past weekend would have been the same going forward.

To answer your other question. D2 makes it work.

(12-29-2018 09:45 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 08:18 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I would like to see 16 team playoff with requirement that conference champion have 8 FBS wins minimum, round 1 be played at highest seed in each matchup as long as stadium had 40k capacity, round 2 bid out to cities with 60k minimum stadium capacity, rounds 3 & 4 used current New Years 6 bowl structure. There could still be a small number of bowl games outside of playoffs for conference runner-ups, kind of a NIT for football.

A small number of bowl games?? There could be just as many bowl games as there is now. Why limit bowl games?

I'd just like to see bowl games go back to having some bragging rights, as it stands almost every team 6 - 6 and above goes bowling. As long as every conference got two teams in post season (either playoffs or also ran bowl games), reward excellence not mediocrity.

A 16 team play off that includes the 10 conference champions provides a true national champion.[/i]

(12-31-2018 07:26 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  A 16 team play off that includes the 10 conference champions provides a true national champion.[/i]

gotta disagree...affirmative action doesn't belong in football, or anywhere else...just because you're part of the whole, doesn't mean you can compete adequately and should be included just because so...the best rise to the top.. no smaller conference can realistically compete with major conference champions...not sure why cusa/mac/belt/aac/mwc fans think it's possible.

yeah...cusa gets in as the last team in and loses by 40...wow...they showed them..totally belonged in the playoffs...that's crap

(12-31-2018 07:54 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 07:26 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  A 16 team play off that includes the 10 conference champions provides a true national champion.[/i]

gotta disagree...affirmative action doesn't belong in football, or anywhere else...just because you're part of the whole, doesn't mean you can compete adequately and should be included just because so...the best rise to the top.. no smaller conference can realistically compete with major conference champions...not sure why cusa/mac/belt/aac/mwc fans think it's possible.

yeah...cusa gets in as the last team in and loses by 40...wow...they showed them..totally belonged in the playoffs...that's crap

That is certainly your right to disagree but how do you know unless they play on a neutral field and prove it? I would think that proving it on the field is the point of having a true NCAA national champion like the other divisions.

(12-31-2018 08:04 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 07:54 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 07:26 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  A 16 team play off that includes the 10 conference champions provides a true national champion.[/i]

gotta disagree...affirmative action doesn't belong in football, or anywhere else...just because you're part of the whole, doesn't mean you can compete adequately and should be included just because so...the best rise to the top.. no smaller conference can realistically compete with major conference champions...not sure why cusa/mac/belt/aac/mwc fans think it's possible.

yeah...cusa gets in as the last team in and loses by 40...wow...they showed them..totally belonged in the playoffs...that's crap

That is certainly your right to disagree but how do you know unless they play on a neutral field and prove it? I would think that proving it on the field is the point of having a true NCAA national champion like the other divisions.

because i've seen the alabama offensive/defensive line...at least 6 first round drafts...cusa may not even have 6 players drafted out of 200+....

all this would prove was how a smaller conference school could play against power conferences schools backups...no interest in that...and it still wouldn't be good

I don’t let a conference champ get an automatic bid.

Pittsburgh beat Clemson in the ACC final and they should get in this season at 8-5?

This was my biggest problem under the old system.

(12-31-2018 08:15 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 08:04 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 07:54 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 07:26 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  A 16 team play off that includes the 10 conference champions provides a true national champion.[/i]

gotta disagree...affirmative action doesn't belong in football, or anywhere else...just because you're part of the whole, doesn't mean you can compete adequately and should be included just because so...the best rise to the top.. no smaller conference can realistically compete with major conference champions...not sure why cusa/mac/belt/aac/mwc fans think it's possible.

yeah...cusa gets in as the last team in and loses by 40...wow...they showed them..totally belonged in the playoffs...that's crap

That is certainly your right to disagree but how do you know unless they play on a neutral field and prove it? I would think that proving it on the field is the point of having a true NCAA national champion like the other divisions.

because i've seen the alabama offensive/defensive line...at least 6 first round drafts...cusa may not even have 6 players drafted out of 200+....

all this would prove was how a smaller conference school could play against power conferences schools backups...no interest in that...and it still wouldn't be good

Until they play, it is all speculation. To me it is better to prove it on the field.

I believe that recruiting and the dollars would level out if the 16 team playoff came to fruition. G5 schools can’t currently offer access to the CFP national championship due to the unfair system in place. It provides a clear advantage to the so called P5 in recruiting and donations to the program.

Teams like UAT avoid playing teams like UCF and Boise State at away or neutral sites to minimize potential losses.

The current system preserves the status quo. I feel that it has been way past time to restore balance and have an NCAA champion.

(12-31-2018 04:53 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 09:45 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 08:18 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  I would like to see 16 team playoff with requirement that conference champion have 8 FBS wins minimum, round 1 be played at highest seed in each matchup as long as stadium had 40k capacity, round 2 bid out to cities with 60k minimum stadium capacity, rounds 3 & 4 used current New Years 6 bowl structure. There could still be a small number of bowl games outside of playoffs for conference runner-ups, kind of a NIT for football.

A small number of bowl games?? There could be just as many bowl games as there is now. Why limit bowl games?

I'd just like to see bowl games go back to having some bragging rights, as it stands almost every team 6 - 6 and above goes bowling. As long as every conference got two teams in post season (either playoffs or also ran bowl games), reward excellence not mediocrity.

Understood. I’m on the more the better side of the fence. I’ll take as much football as I can get during the bowl season.

(12-31-2018 07:54 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 07:26 PM)MAN4UAB Wrote:  A 16 team play off that includes the 10 conference champions provides a true national champion.[/i]

gotta disagree...affirmative action doesn't belong in football, or anywhere else...just because you're part of the whole, doesn't mean you can compete adequately and should be included just because so...the best rise to the top.. no smaller conference can realistically compete with major conference champions...not sure why cusa/mac/belt/aac/mwc fans think it's possible.

yeah...cusa gets in as the last team in and loses by 40...wow...they showed them..totally belonged in the playoffs...that's crap

You’re basing this off of what is status quo. If there was a legitimate playoff where all cont champs could go then the so called “power” would dissipate in many ways. Potentially recruits would expand their horizons. The whole BCS was setup in reaction to the NCAA limiting scholarships and trying to lessen the power of these teams. They fought back. It’s been a continued evolution into what we have now but the thing to do is continue the fight not accept defeat.

(12-31-2018 08:42 PM)Tintin Wrote:  I don’t let a conference champ get an automatic bid.

Pittsburgh beat Clemson in the ACC final and they should get in this season at 8-5?

This was my biggest problem under the old system.

Do away with conf championships. Regular season conf. champ. They’re just a money grab anyway.

(12-31-2018 09:48 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 09:29 AM)Volkmar Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 11:15 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Here is how this years tournament could look. Take all the conference champions as auto bids, and the rest as at-large bids...here is what you get.

Discuss...

SEC ALABAMA 1
BIG 10 OHIO STATE 6
BIG 12 OKLAHOMA 4
ACC CLEMSON 2
PAC 10 WASHINGTON 9
MOUNTAIN WEST FRESNO STATE
CUSA UAB
MAC NORTHERN ILLINOIS
SUN BELT APPALACHIAN STATE
AMERICAN UCF 8

AT LARGE
NOTRE DAME 3
GEORGIA 5
MICHIGAN 7
FLORIDA 10
LSU 11
PENN STATE 12


SEEDINGS

(1) ALABAMA
(16) NORTHERN ILLINOIS

(8) UCF
(9) WASHINGTON


(4) OKLAHOMA
(13) FRESNO STATE

(5) GEORGIA
(12) PENN STATE


(3) NOTRE DAME
(14) UAB

(6) OHIO STATE
(11) LSU


(7) MICHIGAN
(10) FLORIDA

(2) CLEMSON
(15) APPALACHIAN STATE

So you wanna shorten the regular season then? If we have a 16-team football playoff, you could have as many as two teams playing a 17-game season.

Games would play Friday and Saturday. This year that would have been the weekend after the Army Navy game Dec 14-15. The following week December 21-22 and this past weekend would have been the same going forward.

To answer your other question. D2 makes it work.

Division II plays a 10-game regular season schedule. The national champion plays a total of 14 games.

(12-31-2018 11:31 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(12-31-2018 08:42 PM)Tintin Wrote:  I don’t let a conference champ get an automatic bid.

Pittsburgh beat Clemson in the ACC final and they should get in this season at 8-5?

This was my biggest problem under the old system.

Do away with conf championships. Regular season conf. champ. They’re just a money grab anyway.

There's no fair way to do a regular season conference champion in a conference like ours with 14 teams when we play only 8 other conference teams. I've said for years that conferences are too big for their own britches because the only logical way to truly determine a conference champion is if everyone played all the same opponents. The biggest a conference should be to allow that would be 10 members, with each school playing 9 conference games and 3 OOC games.

With the ridiculous sizes of the conferences these days (not to mention the stupid names with the Big 12 having ten member institutions, and the Big 10 having 14), the fairest way to determine a conference champion really is to split the large ones into two divisions and have the two division champs face each other. And considering how poorly attended our conference championship games are, I doubt they're really money grabs anyway.

Look at the gap just from 1/2 to 3/4. There's no need to go beyond where we are now. At absolute most 6 with 1/2 getting a bye or 8. 16 is 100% unnecessary.