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(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Nothing NEGATIVE about my post at all. FACTS. The only stats we know about Dickens are his HS stats and 3 games at Providence that were NO HEAD TURNERS.

High School Stats- 20 points and 15 rebounds per game. God knows how many blocks.

Providence- played a total of 10 minutes before getting injured. 6 points and 3 rebounds.

What was not head turning about his high school stats?

He was a 7'-0" footer playing against boys... Are you really suggesting his hs stats are going to translate to college stats his true first year playing? Lets see how he plays against men now. Good lord.

Dickens (also a boy) averaged 20 and 15 his senior year in high school and led the team to the state championship game. You were spouting off asking how he looked in high school (I've seen semi-final game and title game). You claimed he was not impressive despite 18/18 in the semis and 10/14 in the final. Now, you are talking about how the stats will translate to college when previously you claimed he wasn't impressive. The guys he played against in the state tournament and on the Boo Williams squad are very good.

We obviously don't know how Dickens is going to perform this year. What we do know is that he was one of the top recruits in the state of VA and held over 30 offers just a year ago.

I don't expect Dickens to dominate right away, but responding to your odd criticism of his play in high school. I expect Dickens to get a ton of rebounds and blocks and run the floor. He is certainly a more talented player than Porter, but we will wait and see how that translates.

(10-24-2018 05:22 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 05:01 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 12:51 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 03:24 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  This takes us from a solid NIT team to a possible NCAA team especially with this group of starters. Again...if we can get a little consistency shooting from the outside we could be a dangerous team. This will also give us time to develop the younger bigs on the team.

How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

From what I've seen/heard, Dickens is overall better than Porter when he first came to ODU (at the same age). My hope is that his development is similar/better than Porter's over his time at ODU.

That may be, but he isn’t going to be better than porter would have been THIS year, hence, this is another step back, especially with Stith moving on as well.

He is better than Porter currently. Porter was a head case that hurt the team. Offensively Dajour is just as good. Defensively he is better. Finally he is more athletic.

I think some people are missing the point on this post from Mr.BigBlue. He states that Porter was a head case which is certainly true. I think he I was talking about some of the intangibles that Dickens may be bringing to the team ( such as team work, attitude, listening to coaches, etc) that Porter didn't bring. No doubt Porter was a dominating presence at times and when he had that going he was hard for anyone to match up with us. But the technicals, attitude didn't help at times and maybe Dickens presence won't match Porter's stats but it could be his teamwork will translate to a better team for us. I don't claim to know that for a fact but Mr.BigBlue watches our practices enough for me to trust his judgement. I'll take his opinion on this.

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Little too many Dr. Fords on here...unproven proclamations everywhere!

Comments like this don't belong here. This is what bothers me the most. I am cool with disagreements, but I don't see why you have the need to try to make things political and personal.

Geezzz....Let them a couple of games under their belt and see how the team gels. This might be the most talented team we have had in awhile but even I realize that you gotta put up some wins first!

(10-26-2018 11:16 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 05:22 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 05:01 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(10-24-2018 12:51 PM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(10-23-2018 06:17 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  How??

We weren’t an ncaa tourney team last year and neither transfer is anywhere near as good as stith or porter.

I know you guys love to “win the offseason”, but we still have some HUGE front court question marks. If either of these guys is a stiff we still have a huge hole to fill in the starting lineup.

Glad he got the waiver, now let’s see what he and the other 7 footer can do before we make any grand proclamations.

From what I've seen/heard, Dickens is overall better than Porter when he first came to ODU (at the same age). My hope is that his development is similar/better than Porter's over his time at ODU.

That may be, but he isn’t going to be better than porter would have been THIS year, hence, this is another step back, especially with Stith moving on as well.

He is better than Porter currently. Porter was a head case that hurt the team. Offensively Dajour is just as good. Defensively he is better. Finally he is more athletic.

I think some people are missing the point on this post from Mr.BigBlue. He states that Porter was a head case which is certainly true. I think he I was talking about some of the intangibles that Dickens may be bringing to the team ( such as team work, attitude, listening to coaches, etc) that Porter didn't bring. No doubt Porter was a dominating presence at times and when he had that going he was hard for anyone to match up with us. But the technicals, attitude didn't help at times and maybe Dickens presence won't match Porter's stats but it could be his teamwork will translate to a better team for us. I don't claim to know that for a fact but Mr.BigBlue watches our practices enough for me to trust his judgement. I'll take his opinion on this.

Thanks JJ... know Dickens pretty well. I like his Athletic and Mental skill set much better than Treys when he was a Freshman/Sophmore. I think with a year under JJ system and development Dickens has FAR more upside than Trey had. I fully expect Dickens will be a 5-8 ppg and 5-8 rpg type a guy this year. Also He plays at or above the square so he is a defensive shot blocking threat. My only knock on him was his work ethic. I have heard that has improved. I LOVE the fact he is on the team. He is a Legit 3* type player that played at the Highest level in the AAU circuit and held his own.

(10-26-2018 11:31 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Little too many Dr. Fords on here...unproven proclamations everywhere!

Comments like this don't belong here. This is what bothers me the most. I am cool with disagreements, but I don't see why you have the need to try to make things political and personal.

If you genuinely feel that way then you should have included BigBlueMonarch's political comment, "And there was no need to pull in any political comments we can talk for hours about the Liar and Chief". Otherwise you give the appearance of taking sides and by doing so making your own political commentary.

I think both of their statements are unnecessary and out of place for this topic.

As for Dickens ... I agree with some on here that have said he needs time to show what he will bring to the court this season. I'm optimistic that he will do well but it is nothing more than optimism based upon his size, athletic ability, and what he did in high school. I feel much the same about out "depth". Until we are able to actually see how these young freshmen guys perform in college, or those that returned perform in their expanded roles (Carver, Godwin, Green, etc.) we don't know who or how much anyone can be counted upon for quality depth. Many things can get in the way to cloudy the waters. Just a year ago guys like McClinton and Kah were going to be either starters or quality depth.

Suffice it to say...

I'd rather have Dickens playing for us than not.

We'll see what he brings (or not) soon enough.

(10-26-2018 12:45 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Suffice it to say...

I'd rather have Dickens playing for us than not.

We'll see what he brings (or not) soon enough.

I'm happy he is with us as well. It's especially nice since he is a local guy.

(10-26-2018 11:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Dickens (also a boy) averaged 20 and 15 his senior year in high school and led the team to the state championship game. You were spouting off asking how he looked in high school (I've seen semi-final game and title game). You claimed he was not impressive despite 18/18 in the semis and 10/14 in the final. Now, you are talking about how the stats will translate to college when previously you claimed he wasn't impressive. The guys he played against in the state tournament and on the Boo Williams squad are very good.

We obviously don't know how Dickens is going to perform this year. What we do know is that he was one of the top recruits in the state of VA and held over 30 offers just a year ago.

I don't expect Dickens to dominate right away, but responding to your odd criticism of his play in high school. I expect Dickens to get a ton of rebounds and blocks and run the floor. He is certainly a more talented player than Porter, but we will wait and see how that translates.

He's better than what we had 2 months ago!

(10-26-2018 12:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:31 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Little too many Dr. Fords on here...unproven proclamations everywhere!

Comments like this don't belong here. This is what bothers me the most. I am cool with disagreements, but I don't see why you have the need to try to make things political and personal.

If you genuinely feel that way then you should have included BigBlueMonarch's political comment, "And there was no need to pull in any political comments we can talk for hours about the Liar and Chief". Otherwise you give the appearance of taking sides and by doing so making your own political commentary.

I think both of their statements are unnecessary and out of place for this topic.

I honestly didn't see it. At least BigBlue's isn't a direct insult at anyone here. I couldn't care less about anyone's political sides. I'd rather focus on odu sports. Thanks

(10-26-2018 12:45 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  Suffice it to say...

I'd rather have Dickens playing for us than not.

We'll see what he brings (or not) soon enough.

This pretty much simply sums it up for me as well. Very happy with Providence in doing their part, means I'll be rooting for them this season too.

(10-26-2018 04:08 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 12:37 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 11:31 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Little too many Dr. Fords on here...unproven proclamations everywhere!

Comments like this don't belong here. This is what bothers me the most. I am cool with disagreements, but I don't see why you have the need to try to make things political and personal.

If you genuinely feel that way then you should have included BigBlueMonarch's political comment, "And there was no need to pull in any political comments we can talk for hours about the Liar and Chief". Otherwise you give the appearance of taking sides and by doing so making your own political commentary.

I think both of their statements are unnecessary and out of place for this topic.

I honestly didn't see it. At least BigBlue's isn't a direct insult at anyone here. I couldn't care less about anyone's political sides. I'd rather focus on odu sports. Thanks

(10-26-2018 04:09 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Very happy with Providence in doing their part, means I'll be rooting for them this season too.

Fully agree. I had previously pulled for 'Nova in the Big East. I am switching that allegiance to Providence.

A few years ago when I was picking my March Madness bracket, I had an odd feeling about Providence and I penned them to the Final Four. They lost in the first round that year.

This redeems them for me.

I have a lot of respect for big east schools. I have a masters from georgetown so i follow them and the conference pretty close. Its typically a pretty respectful conference where the school look out for other schools.

You think aCC schools would look out for each other?

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Nothing NEGATIVE about my post at all. FACTS. The only stats we know about Dickens are his HS stats and 3 games at Providence that were NO HEAD TURNERS.

High School Stats- 20 points and 15 rebounds per game. God knows how many blocks.

Providence- played a total of 10 minutes before getting injured. 6 points and 3 rebounds.

What was not head turning about his high school stats?

I don’t follow unranked high school teams. What did DD do against any highly ranked players?

(10-26-2018 06:05 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Nothing NEGATIVE about my post at all. FACTS. The only stats we know about Dickens are his HS stats and 3 games at Providence that were NO HEAD TURNERS.

High School Stats- 20 points and 15 rebounds per game. God knows how many blocks.

Providence- played a total of 10 minutes before getting injured. 6 points and 3 rebounds.

What was not head turning about his high school stats?

I don’t follow unranked high school teams. What did DD do against any highly ranked players?

What difference does all that make now? He was a highly rated player, recruited by Va for one. Can't you just be happy he is with us?

(10-26-2018 07:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 06:05 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Nothing NEGATIVE about my post at all. FACTS. The only stats we know about Dickens are his HS stats and 3 games at Providence that were NO HEAD TURNERS.

High School Stats- 20 points and 15 rebounds per game. God knows how many blocks.

Providence- played a total of 10 minutes before getting injured. 6 points and 3 rebounds.

What was not head turning about his high school stats?

I don’t follow unranked high school teams. What did DD do against any highly ranked players?

What difference does all that make now? He was a highly rated player, recruited by Va for one. Can't you just be happy he is with us?

I am in the “wait and see” camp and not the “he averaged a double double as a HS senior 2 years ago so he is going to be a beast” camp.

The reason I ask is because IF he was putting up double doubles against guys who are now at power 5 basketball schools, what he did in high school carries more weight and should be given consideration that he may be a 10/7 guy here. IF he was averaging a double double against a bunch of guys who now ride the bench for D2 and low D1 programs, then his HS stats don’t matter.

(10-27-2018 01:28 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 07:21 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 06:05 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 10:06 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-26-2018 09:45 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Nothing NEGATIVE about my post at all. FACTS. The only stats we know about Dickens are his HS stats and 3 games at Providence that were NO HEAD TURNERS.

High School Stats- 20 points and 15 rebounds per game. God knows how many blocks.

Providence- played a total of 10 minutes before getting injured. 6 points and 3 rebounds.

What was not head turning about his high school stats?

I don’t follow unranked high school teams. What did DD do against any highly ranked players?

What difference does all that make now? He was a highly rated player, recruited by Va for one. Can't you just be happy he is with us?

I am in the “wait and see” camp and not the “he averaged a double double as a HS senior 2 years ago so he is going to be a beast” camp.

The reason I ask is because IF he was putting up double doubles against guys who are now at power 5 basketball schools, what he did in high school carries more weight and should be given consideration that he may be a 10/7 guy here. IF he was averaging a double double against a bunch of guys who now ride the bench for D2 and low D1 programs, then his HS stats don’t matter.

Ding ding ding! In the finals game against Bird, I think Giles said 10/6 were his stats. Well bird had one solid guy that year and it was Mario Haskett who was a 6’5” combo guard that went to Harvard. No studs like in years past with Kenny Williams or Tyrese Rice.

I’m not knocking the guy at all and for ODU’s sake I hope he’s a stud but ALL IM SAYING IS UNTIL HE PROVES HIMSELF FOR US, I’m not calling him our savior. Jeff has put together a good team on paper. Let’s hope they gel and blow our socks off. Horse before the cart please...