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RE: Ball State Drive Chart
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.
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(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

I included JL's QBR of 70.6 in 2013 for the very reason that you saying no QB has a chance to put up numbers with Carey as the HC was entirely predictable. How about Madde in with a QBR of 61.3 and Hare in 2015 with a QBR of 54.8 and in 2014 with as QBR of 66.1. I don't like Carey, but you continually defending Childers by saying no QB has a chance to put up numbers with Carey as the HC is simply wrong.
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We have punted 42 times in 6 games. That's not good. Minimum 6 punts a game. Surprised our guy can still kick. You punting you ain't scoring.[/font]
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(10-07-2018 08:21 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

I included JL's QBR of 70.6 in 2013 for the very reason that you saying no QB has a chance to put up numbers with Carey as the HC was entirely predictable. How about Madde in with a QBR of 61.3 and Hare in 2015 with a QBR of 54.8 and in 2014 with as QBR of 66.1. I don't like Carey, but you continually defending Childers by saying no QB has a chance to put up numbers with Carey as the HC is simply wrong.

Carey is a shell of the coach he was when he started. You could see sharp regression since 2015
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(10-07-2018 10:04 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  We have punted 42 times in 6 games. That's not good. Minimum 6 punts a game. Surprised our guy can still kick. You punting you ain't scoring.[/font]

To Carey punts are a success. I am not saying that sarcastically but punts are seen as a good thing because it means to Carey you aren't turning the ball over
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(10-07-2018 10:13 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:21 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

I included JL's QBR of 70.6 in 2013 for the very reason that you saying no QB has a chance to put up numbers with Carey as the HC was entirely predictable. How about Madde in with a QBR of 61.3 and Hare in 2015 with a QBR of 54.8 and in 2014 with as QBR of 66.1. I don't like Carey, but you continually defending Childers by saying no QB has a chance to put up numbers with Carey as the HC is simply wrong.

Carey is a shell of the coach he was when he started. You could see sharp regression since 2015

Just admit he BURIED you with that argument and move on. I’m not a fan of Carey, but your constant hate Carey agenda is exhausting.
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RE: Ball State Drive Chart
(10-07-2018 10:14 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 10:04 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  We have punted 42 times in 6 games. That's not good. Minimum 6 punts a game. Surprised our guy can still kick. You punting you ain't scoring.[/font]

To Carey punts are a success. I am not saying that sarcastically but punts are seen as a good thing because it means to Carey you aren't turning the ball over

I won't argue that Carey seems just fine with punts most of the game. But Lynch and Hare scored a decent amount of points anyway. How do you explain that?
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It seems like any drive that has a 3rd and 5+ is dead in the water. A penalty, a sack, any sort of negative play effectively ends a drive.
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(10-07-2018 08:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.

I am obviously a huge Carey defender, but if there isn’t a better option than Childers on the roster that 100% is his fault.
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(10-08-2018 09:30 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.

I am obviously a huge Carey defender, but if there isn’t a better option than Childers on the roster that 100% is his fault.

The bigger concern as it pertains to Carey is that he does have a better option on the roster, but he can’t identify it or just won’t give them a chance.
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RE: Ball State Drive Chart
Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.
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(10-08-2018 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:30 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.

I am obviously a huge Carey defender, but if there isn’t a better option than Childers on the roster that 100% is his fault.

The bigger concern as it pertains to Carey is that he does have a better option on the roster, but he can’t identify it or just won’t give them a chance.

Seems to be both from Carey, lack of giving someone else an opportunity and not identifying it. We had to watch Ryan Graham suck as Anthony Maddie was sitting on the bench then moved to WR. Then we had to watch Ryan Graham suck again while Santa was on the bench. The only time Maddie and Santa were given an opportunity was because of injuries to Graham. Do we have to wait for Childers to get injured just to find out what we have sitting on the bench?
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(10-08-2018 10:25 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.

You’ll probably be able to answer this better than me, but I would be curious to know how many sacks are on the line and how many are on Childers? He seems completely lost anytime he’s facing a blitz.
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(10-08-2018 10:29 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:30 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.

I am obviously a huge Carey defender, but if there isn’t a better option than Childers on the roster that 100% is his fault.

The bigger concern as it pertains to Carey is that he does have a better option on the roster, but he can’t identify it or just won’t give them a chance.

Seems to be both from Carey, lack of giving someone else an opportunity and not identifying it. We had to watch Ryan Graham suck as Anthony Maddie was sitting on the bench then moved to WR. Then we had to watch Ryan Graham suck again while Santa was on the bench. The only time Maddie and Santa were given an opportunity was because of injuries to Graham. Do we have to wait for Childers to get injured just to find out what we have sitting on the bench?
Graham got pulled halfway through the WIU game when he was healthy. Had nothing to do with injury. I’m also not convinced Graham isn’t better than both Childers and Santa if we’re being honest.
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(10-08-2018 10:29 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:30 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.

I am obviously a huge Carey defender, but if there isn’t a better option than Childers on the roster that 100% is his fault.

The bigger concern as it pertains to Carey is that he does have a better option on the roster, but he can’t identify it or just won’t give them a chance.

Seems to be both from Carey, lack of giving someone else an opportunity and not identifying it. We had to watch Ryan Graham suck as Anthony Maddie was sitting on the bench then moved to WR. Then we had to watch Ryan Graham suck again while Santa was on the bench. The only time Maddie and Santa were given an opportunity was because of injuries to Graham. Do we have to wait for Childers to get injured just to find out what we have sitting on the bench?

Your summary answered your question; based on history yes we have to wait for Childers to get injured to find out what we have sitting on the bench. Regardless of position about Carey, questioning his and the other coaches QB decisions is fair and deserved based on history. While we have lost QB recruits, I still question the coaches development of our QBs, including Childers very slow improvement and the back-ups apparent lack of development. I don't have any specifics, but the lack of development makes me question our QB coach, whose prior experience seems to be more coaching TEs.
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(10-08-2018 11:20 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:25 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.

You’ll probably be able to answer this better than me, but I would be curious to know how many sacks are on the line and how many are on Childers? He seems completely lost anytime he’s facing a blitz.

That is an excellent question since Childers has been known to hold the ball too long on occasion.

In my opinion the drive-stopper sacks and pressures noted in the first post are on the o-line rather than Childers. On one of the sacks he may have been able to unload the ball to avoid the sack but it would have been a drive killer anyway so same difference. The others were straight up jailbreaks.

I encourage everyone to watch those plays on ESPN3 which is why I noted the game time for each. Protection is an issue that needs fixing right away. Childers is far from perfect but showed on Saturday that he was able to sustain some drives when given the opportunity.
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Really great work putting together this thread.

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Who is better?
(10-08-2018 10:20 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:30 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:12 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 08:09 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 07:57 PM)NILAW Wrote:  We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/15
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/page/3
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/year/2013/group/15

That 3 and 4 is a play I'll remember for awhile at EMU, Childers did not have any open receivers (which is about 80 percent of NIU pass plays), he found a way to escape danger and just found a way to get a first down and keep the drive away. Those numbers you list there are a product of playing in a Rod Carey offense, QB has no chance to put up numbers

Lynch did and even Hare did. What's Childer's excuse? Not that I'm a big Carey fan.

I am obviously a huge Carey defender, but if there isn’t a better option than Childers on the roster that 100% is his fault.

The bigger concern as it pertains to Carey is that he does have a better option on the roster, but he can’t identify it or just won’t give them a chance.

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RE: Ball State Drive Chart
(10-07-2018 10:04 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  We have punted 42 times in 6 games. That's not good. Minimum 6 punts a game. Surprised our guy can still kick. You punting you ain't scoring.[/font]
Best NIU punter in a long time when the snap hits his hands.

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RE: Ball State Drive Chart
(10-07-2018 06:55 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  
(10-07-2018 06:33 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I'd like to see what others think. To me it seemed like Neil didn't get that much pressure but Ball State fans remarked that Neil was under a lot of pressure. Help me out here.

I thought we put quite a bit of pressure on him (from watching on TV), he did a nice job rolling away from it or hanging tough and getting the ball away while taking a hit.
I'd say less pressure than other NIU games this year.

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