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I'm trying to stay positive and hopeful about Childers. Sophomore Lynch didn't pass the ball. We didn't know if he could throw before that first game against Iowa.
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(10-07-2018 07:30 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Really impressed with how Childers has led NIU to a 3-0 start despite battling against what could be argued as the absolute worst offense mind in FBS in Coach Carey. You would be hard pressed to find one QB in the country that could succeed at NIU right now, that is just where we are at right now. Despite all that, I really have admired Childers' competitiveness and how he has basically willed NIU to wins late, particularly that EMU game. I was reminded of Jordan Lynch for the last part of that game. He was not going to be denied.

We are 3-0 in the MAC because of our D, as well as the RBs and O-line blocking for them. Comparing Childers in any way shape or form to Jordan Lynch is laughable. I am trying to keep positive about Childers as he is what we have and he has made some plays, but he is the worst rated QB in the MAC (QBR of 30.9 v. 85.4 for the Toledo QB) and 124 out of 134 in FBS. JL had a QBR of 70.6 in 2013 with Carey as the HC.
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(10-08-2018 10:25 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.
Exactly. Mistakes here and there are killing their productivity but they are improving as a team. Maybe a breakout against Ohio is coming.

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(10-08-2018 02:28 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:25 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.
Exactly. Mistakes here and there are killing their productivity but they are improving as a team. Maybe a breakout against Ohio is coming.

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Mistakes are amplified with our QB that makes some plays but is not a big play maker; much harder to overcome these mistakes. Eliminate more mistakes, more consistency and staying aggressive on O. I don't think we will have a high-powered O like in the days of CH/JL but an O that is good in terms of yards and points per game.
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(10-08-2018 02:50 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 02:28 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:25 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.
Exactly. Mistakes here and there are killing their productivity but they are improving as a team. Maybe a breakout against Ohio is coming.

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Mistakes are amplified with our QB that makes some plays but is not a big play maker; much harder to overcome these mistakes. Eliminate more mistakes, more consistency and staying aggressive on O. I don't think we will have a high-powered O like in the days of CH/JL but an O that is good in terms of yards and points per game.
Yup. Needing everyone around your QB to be perfect for your offense to succeed isn't a recipe for success.

And while Childers may have been better on Saturday, that INT was absolutely inexcusable. Ball State was not going to go score 2 TDs in 9 minutes. The only way you bring losing into the equation is throwing pretty much a pick 6 in the situation.

He also was 2 inches from throwing another INT on NIU's lone TD drive in the second half (which was exactly what he did to kill their best drive in the second half at EMU last week).

If the argument with Childers is he takes care of the ball and "we" are going to rely on defense, then he needs to actually take care of the ball.
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(10-08-2018 03:06 PM)7 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 02:50 PM)NILAW Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 02:28 PM)Teamduh Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 10:25 AM)NIU1981 Wrote:  Childers has progressed. He had two really bad throws at Ball State but also made several clutch plays to keep drives alive. Right now I think dropped passes and poor protection are hurting the offense the most. Go back and look at the drive chart at the top of this thread. There were two possessions that ended due to Childers and five that ended due to drops and/or sacks where defenders came flying up the middle. Fix those and they could have scored a lot more points.
Exactly. Mistakes here and there are killing their productivity but they are improving as a team. Maybe a breakout against Ohio is coming.

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Mistakes are amplified with our QB that makes some plays but is not a big play maker; much harder to overcome these mistakes. Eliminate more mistakes, more consistency and staying aggressive on O. I don't think we will have a high-powered O like in the days of CH/JL but an O that is good in terms of yards and points per game.
Yup. Needing everyone around your QB to be perfect for your offense to succeed isn't a recipe for success.

And while Childers may have been better on Saturday, that INT was absolutely inexcusable. Ball State was not going to go score 2 TDs in 9 minutes. The only way you bring losing into the equation is throwing pretty much a pick 6 in the situation.

He also was 2 inches from throwing another INT on NIU's lone TD drive in the second half (which was exactly what he did to kill their best drive in the second half at EMU last week).

If the argument with Childers is he takes care of the ball and "we" are going to rely on defense, then he needs to actually take care of the ball.

Perfection at any level is not possible; eliminate more mistakes is the best we can hope for. That Ball St. pick almost pick-6 let them back into the game. Carey said in the post-game about what a bad decision it was and he should have pulled the ball down and run. Yes, to be an effective game manager and rely on our D Childers cannot make mistakes at critical times and situations like in the Ball St. game.
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Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.
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(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

That low average is definitely a function of the offense, not Childers
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I wonder if the offense has improved at all. We aren't playing Iowa, Utah, and Florida State anymore. And against EMU it was 13 points at the end of regulation. In OT you don't have to march down the field to score. I suspect Ball State's defense is a little worse than EMU's and probably CMU's, notwithstanding their close game against TSISB.
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(10-08-2018 03:39 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I wonder if the offense has improved at all. We aren't playing Iowa, Utah, and Florida State anymore. And against EMU it was 13 points at the end of regulation. In OT you don't have to march down the field to score. I suspect Ball State's defense is a little worse than EMU's and probably CMU's, notwithstanding their close game against TSISB.

Total Yards/Game
Iowa: 211
Utah: 228
CNU: 284
FSU: 221
EMU: 356 (say about 300 yards in regulation)
Ball St.: 370

In terms of total yards per game we are going in the right direction. Considering that Ohio gives up 509 yards/game I am hoping we crack 400 yards on Saturday.
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(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

If Childers gets to 6.3 yards per attempt like last year and over 60% completion, and we get rushing over 4 yards per carry (right now at 3.4 per carry) it would make it much easier on the O to sustain drives.
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(10-08-2018 03:32 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

That low average is definitely a function of the offense, not Childers

It’s both. NIU’s offense is sideways, sideways, sideways, and then go vertical. With Childers, the vertical has been eliminated.
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(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.
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(10-08-2018 05:10 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.

I’d estimate that Childers has left between 200-250 yards on the field by missing some open deep routes that many FBS qbs would make. That would have his Y/A up to around 5.5. Probably just a little shy of where it should be with this offense and these WRs. There really is no big time playmakers at receiver. Not the kind we need. We need quick, elusive guys who can take short passes and do the rest running. We have a few straight line fast guys who need a big arm, accurate qb to hit them deep.
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(10-08-2018 09:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 05:10 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.

I’d estimate that Childers has left between 200-250 yards on the field by missing some open deep routes that many FBS qbs would make. That would have his Y/A up to around 5.5. Probably just a little shy of where it should be with this offense and these WRs. There really is no big time playmakers at receiver. Not the kind we need. We need quick, elusive guys who can take short passes and do the rest running. We have a few straight line fast guys who need a big arm, accurate qb to hit them deep.

I would estimate in the past 4 years Carey has left 12 wins on the field.
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(10-09-2018 09:31 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 05:10 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.

I’d estimate that Childers has left between 200-250 yards on the field by missing some open deep routes that many FBS qbs would make. That would have his Y/A up to around 5.5. Probably just a little shy of where it should be with this offense and these WRs. There really is no big time playmakers at receiver. Not the kind we need. We need quick, elusive guys who can take short passes and do the rest running. We have a few straight line fast guys who need a big arm, accurate qb to hit them deep.

I would estimate in the past 4 years Carey has left 12 wins on the field.

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(10-09-2018 09:56 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 09:31 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 05:10 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.

I’d estimate that Childers has left between 200-250 yards on the field by missing some open deep routes that many FBS qbs would make. That would have his Y/A up to around 5.5. Probably just a little shy of where it should be with this offense and these WRs. There really is no big time playmakers at receiver. Not the kind we need. We need quick, elusive guys who can take short passes and do the rest running. We have a few straight line fast guys who need a big arm, accurate qb to hit them deep.

I would estimate in the past 4 years Carey has left 12 wins on the field.

LOL

03-lmfao Wow. I'm no backer of Rod and his in game decision making and play calling but that statement is classic.
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(10-09-2018 10:29 AM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 09:56 AM)7 Wrote:  
(10-09-2018 09:31 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 05:10 PM)Djud Wrote:  A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.

I’d estimate that Childers has left between 200-250 yards on the field by missing some open deep routes that many FBS qbs would make. That would have his Y/A up to around 5.5. Probably just a little shy of where it should be with this offense and these WRs. There really is no big time playmakers at receiver. Not the kind we need. We need quick, elusive guys who can take short passes and do the rest running. We have a few straight line fast guys who need a big arm, accurate qb to hit them deep.

I would estimate in the past 4 years Carey has left 12 wins on the field.

LOL

03-lmfao Wow. I'm no backer of Rod and his in game decision making and play calling but that statement is classic.

We'd be practically undefeated for 4 years running.
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(10-09-2018 09:31 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 09:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 05:10 PM)Djud Wrote:  
(10-08-2018 03:25 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  Childers’ yards-per-attempt(Y/A) is at 4.4 right now. That’s so incredibly low. Graham, whom I thought was the king of not throwing downfield, has a 5.9 Y/A. Santa was at 7.9. There can be no negative plays on a drive. That may be why there have been less jet sweeps. It’s just so hard to go 4 yards a play for 75 yards without a mistake. That’s asking a lot from the entire offense.

A QB will likely have a low Y/A rating with the offensive scheme, although 7.9 is actually pretty good (currently only 42 NCAA QBs have higher); 4.4 is really bad. The difference between Santa and Childers was the actual vertical threat. Santa would hit receivers on deep routes, in stride with regularity. Most (maybe all) of Childers passes for long yards are on short passes that have significant YAC. I agree with many on this thread that without the deep threat, all other aspects of the offense have to be perfect.

I’d estimate that Childers has left between 200-250 yards on the field by missing some open deep routes that many FBS qbs would make. That would have his Y/A up to around 5.5. Probably just a little shy of where it should be with this offense and these WRs. There really is no big time playmakers at receiver. Not the kind we need. We need quick, elusive guys who can take short passes and do the rest running. We have a few straight line fast guys who need a big arm, accurate qb to hit them deep.

I would estimate in the past 4 years Carey has left 12 wins on the field.

LMAO

Please enlighten on which games you speak of?
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Not related to the game, but I like Ball State's gatling gun T-shirt thrower. Great idea and much better than NIU's poor attempt at that. At NIU they announce that people should get up and make noise for a T-shirt, and then they have ROTC or whomever stop in front of one section and throw a couple t-shirts, and then leave, which IMO is worse than not doing it at all.

They also need to revive the real red-black chant - when they put it on the video screens nobody knows when to yell Red or Black, so nobody does it.

Also, there was something about their cheerleaders, the routines seemed better somehow than what I'm used to - better synchronized than the Silverettes I think - though some of it was just better music.
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(10-09-2018 11:13 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Not related to the game, but I like Ball State's gatling gun T-shirt thrower. Great idea and much better than NIU's poor attempt at that. At NIU they announce that people should get up and make noise for a T-shirt, and then they have ROTC or whomever stop in front of one section and throw a couple t-shirts, and then leave, which IMO is worse than not doing it at all.

They also need to revive the real red-black chant - when they put it on the video screens nobody knows when to yell Red or Black, so nobody does it.

Also, there was something about their cheerleaders, the routines seemed better somehow than what I'm used to - better synchronized than the Silverettes I think - though some of it was just better music.

Am I the only one that misses Thundersticks?

Starting to see them again on TV...I forget where. More of an Eastside thing for whatever students find their way into the stadium. Maybe best for November mid-week games. Banging thundersticks keeps you warm.

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