Huskies go 6-6, Frazier pinkslips Carey, Novak coaches a bowl winner.



And gets the job. 6 years younger than Bill Snyder.



And Frazier gets hired away. Cary Groth returns.

Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

100% correct. As I mentioned before, this program has seen some tough times in the past. All programs do, but NIU was the doormat in the 90's.

It's not good now, but certainly better than it was. The problem here is obvious; the coaching.

We as fans just have to ride this out, and frankly, we should be supporting the program even more during the tough times.

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

This year was supposed to be NIU's turnaround year with an awesome defense and an experience QB returning. However, the coaches blessed us with the worst offense in the country by making horrible personnel and schematic decisions. Yet, they have refused to change anything that would make the offense better. Obviously, anything would be better but they're refusing to do anything about it. If they keep the status quo again, EMU is going to beat us Saturday. Feed Harbs with a variety of runs and set him up for perimeter plays and I guarantee you everything else will open up. Use the play action and the WRs will be wide open. Pretty simple but these coaches are too dumb and too stubborn. That's why we have the worst offense in the nation...

You won't find RED DOG abandoning $hit!!! Do I think Carey is the greatest coach in college football? Absolutely not. Do I think he's the best in the MAC? No. But he's our head coach and while he is EXTREMELY frustrating at times - the entire coaching staff is- they are our coaches and I will always support the program no matter what. Especially the 100 or so young men that lay it on the line every week for NIU Football. They put in hours in the weight room, in the fill room, on the practice field, in the classroom, etc. I will always tune in and cheer on our Huskies! Yes, the glory days of Jordan Lynch are gone. We are in a new era. Lets help this squad write their own story. The HARD WAY IS THE ONLY WAY.

Beat EMU!!!!

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

Silly comment...

To the OP, Im not sure fans have become apathetic towards NIU football as much as many have become apathetic towards this board, I know I have. Same 10 people saying the same thing...it gets old.

Last home game I was heckling Carey louder than anyone in that stadium and would love to seem him replaced but people here have lost all objectivity and ts ridiculous.

The first half against CMU and the first quarter against FSU were some of the worst football I have seen at NIU in a very long time, however they did beat CMU and had the PLAYERS executed they may have beat FSU. For the team to turn around their play in both games says as much about the coaching as does their horrible effort in the first quarter/half.

As easy as it is to blame Carey, the play calling put them in a position where if they execute they win at FSU and against Utah. What I also find funny is that when NIU was beating Nebraska, playing OSU to the wire, etc. it was his MAC record that mattered, now it seems to be the OOC record that matters. When all is said and done its MAC play that truly matters, P5 wins are nice, and Carey has had quite a few.

Things were not always rosy prior to Carey...People here seem to forget the pasting NIU took from WI and the horrible loss to a pathetic Kansas team under DD in 2011 or the loss to a really bad Iowa team in 2012.... What about Kill playing Grady over Harnish against ISU, or going for 2 in the first quarter(wtf) against Illinois?

I saw enough improvement in Childers to say that NIU should still win the west, in fact with the talent on this team, if Carey does not finish 1 or 2 in the MAC West he should be let go, but he wont be.

(09-25-2018 10:51 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

Silly comment...

To the OP, Im not sure fans have become apathetic towards NIU football as much as many have become apathetic towards this board, I know I have. Same 10 people saying the same thing...it gets old.

Last home game I was heckling Carey louder than anyone in that stadium and would love to seem him replaced but people here have lost all objectivity and ts ridiculous.

The first half against CMU and the first quarter against FSU were some of the worst football I have seen at NIU in a very long time, however they did beat CMU and had the PLAYERS executed they may have beat FSU. For the team to turn around their play in both games says as much about the coaching as does their horrible effort in the first quarter/half.

As easy as it is to blame Carey, the play calling put them in a position where if they execute they win at FSU and against Utah. What I also find funny is that when NIU was beating Nebraska, playing OSU to the wire, etc. it was his MAC record that mattered, now it seems to be the OOC record that matters. When all is said and done its MAC play that truly matters, P5 wins are nice, and Carey has had quite a few.

Things were not always rosy prior to Carey...People here seem to forget the pasting NIU took from WI and the horrible loss to a pathetic Kansas team under DD in 2011 or the loss to a really bad Iowa team in 2012.... What about Kill playing Grady over Harnish against ISU, or going for 2 in the first quarter(wtf) against Illinois?

I saw enough improvement in Childers to say that NIU should still win the west, in fact with the talent on this team, if Carey does not finish 1 or 2 in the MAC West he should be let go, but he wont be.

Nicely done.



It's coaching, it's talent and is what it is.

And contrary to popular belief, when NIU takes the field against a P5 the are the less talented team on the field 9/10 times. Yes, it's rankings, size and speed. When the coach(es) doesn't make every play call right, hard to win. When they make bad decisions, impossible. Same goes for mental mistakes on the field. You can even add coaching talent. Better teams, more money, better coaches.

But make no doubt about it. Regardless of who a team like FSU lost to before they had more talent. That is something some fail to realize. The fact that the best talent sometimes wins over heart, desire aand preparation.

(09-25-2018 10:51 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

Silly comment...

To the OP, Im not sure fans have become apathetic towards NIU football as much as many have become apathetic towards this board, I know I have. Same 10 people saying the same thing...it gets old.

Last home game I was heckling Carey louder than anyone in that stadium and would love to seem him replaced but people here have lost all objectivity and ts ridiculous.

The first half against CMU and the first quarter against FSU were some of the worst football I have seen at NIU in a very long time, however they did beat CMU and had the PLAYERS executed they may have beat FSU. For the team to turn around their play in both games says as much about the coaching as does their horrible effort in the first quarter/half.

As easy as it is to blame Carey, the play calling put them in a position where if they execute they win at FSU and against Utah. What I also find funny is that when NIU was beating Nebraska, playing OSU to the wire, etc. it was his MAC record that mattered, now it seems to be the OOC record that matters. When all is said and done its MAC play that truly matters, P5 wins are nice, and Carey has had quite a few.

Things were not always rosy prior to Carey...People here seem to forget the pasting NIU took from WI and the horrible loss to a pathetic Kansas team under DD in 2011 or the loss to a really bad Iowa team in 2012.... What about Kill playing Grady over Harnish against ISU, or going for 2 in the first quarter(wtf) against Illinois?

I saw enough improvement in Childers to say that NIU should still win the west, in fact with the talent on this team, if Carey does not finish 1 or 2 in the MAC West he should be let go, but he wont be.

I appreciate the few people that have stayed with the Huskies even in the lean times, we need those people, without them, there are no fans left. And how exactly is it different if you are heckling Carey in front of other fans at games and people questioning his moves on this board? The day people are satisfied with the direction Carey is taking this program is the day we can all enjoy playing Illinois State every single year for Homecoming. Not for me, and I think a lot of people would prefer to stay FBS and have expectations for this program. There are some people who will be fine with NIU not striving for excellence, they prefer low crowds and easy access to bathrooms and refreshments. They just want their experience to be convenient without all the big crowds. That is fine, I understand that and appreciate it, but do not cut down people that want this program to get to new levels and maintain high standards. That is what makes being a fan great, each person has their own expectations and needs filled. It doesn't mean someone else is wrong if they have higher or lower expectations, those fans are just looking for something different.

MD, The difference is being able to look at a game and say 'this went well', 'this coach screwed up', 'this player screwed up', 'wow he's improved', 'that coach really made a good call', or whatever...every bad thing that happens is not Carey's fault...and the avoidance of this board and what some are pointing out is you can think Carey is not great and needs to improve WITHOUT making every conversation/point about Carey. It's dumb, ignorant, and doesn't make for good football conversation.

There are a lot of other coaches and there are plenty of talented players on this team, they all need to do better.

I'm guessing most, if not all, are not happy with Carey, and as the head guy, you will always take the fall. But man...we could have a lot better discussion on here without always bringing it to him.

(09-25-2018 11:02 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 10:51 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

Silly comment...

To the OP, Im not sure fans have become apathetic towards NIU football as much as many have become apathetic towards this board, I know I have. Same 10 people saying the same thing...it gets old.

Last home game I was heckling Carey louder than anyone in that stadium and would love to seem him replaced but people here have lost all objectivity and ts ridiculous.

The first half against CMU and the first quarter against FSU were some of the worst football I have seen at NIU in a very long time, however they did beat CMU and had the PLAYERS executed they may have beat FSU. For the team to turn around their play in both games says as much about the coaching as does their horrible effort in the first quarter/half.

As easy as it is to blame Carey, the play calling put them in a position where if they execute they win at FSU and against Utah. What I also find funny is that when NIU was beating Nebraska, playing OSU to the wire, etc. it was his MAC record that mattered, now it seems to be the OOC record that matters. When all is said and done its MAC play that truly matters, P5 wins are nice, and Carey has had quite a few.

Things were not always rosy prior to Carey...People here seem to forget the pasting NIU took from WI and the horrible loss to a pathetic Kansas team under DD in 2011 or the loss to a really bad Iowa team in 2012.... What about Kill playing Grady over Harnish against ISU, or going for 2 in the first quarter(wtf) against Illinois?

I saw enough improvement in Childers to say that NIU should still win the west, in fact with the talent on this team, if Carey does not finish 1 or 2 in the MAC West he should be let go, but he wont be.

I appreciate the few people that have stayed with the Huskies even in the lean times, we need those people, without them, there are no fans left. And how exactly is it different if you are heckling Carey in front of other fans at games and people questioning his moves on this board? The day people are satisfied with the direction Carey is taking this program is the day we can all enjoy playing Illinois State every single year for Homecoming. Not for me, and I think a lot of people would prefer to stay FBS and have expectations for this program. There are some people who will be fine with NIU not striving for excellence, they prefer low crowds and easy access to bathrooms and refreshments. They just want their experience to be convenient without all the big crowds. That is fine, I understand that and appreciate it, but do not cut down people that want this program to get to new levels and maintain high standards. That is what makes being a fan great, each person has their own expectations and needs filled. It doesn't mean someone else is wrong if they have higher or lower expectations, those fans are just looking for something different.

.....And there you go AGAIN taking BobL's point regarding this board and turning it into completely something different on one of your tangents.

Yes, Carey sucks. And yes he should be held to a higher standard for being the NIU football coach, especially with his questionable game calls.

But I do not think you have any understanding of what he is trying say. It's the constant complaining/nagging/belittling/etc from the last few posters on here that have caused people to flee from the site.

It has NOTHING to do with the performance of the football team and Carey.

While I don't add a ton of value on this site, I come here to learn, catch up with fellow Huskies, and try to forecast how the Huskies look in the near future based on what a lot of you post being so close to the program. We rarely have new posts that add value like years past, a lot of bitching and moaning over coaching, and just a negative outlook. Our Huskies are in better shape than we like to believe, and around coaches that care and know more than many of us. While I scratch my head on some calls and coaching, I never try to go nuclear on the situation. I wonder how many recruits and their parents read the $hit on this board. We have been in every game we played thus far, things are getting better, slowly but man I can't wait to see if Childers continues to improve.
Go Huskies

(09-25-2018 11:02 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 10:51 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

Silly comment...

To the OP, Im not sure fans have become apathetic towards NIU football as much as many have become apathetic towards this board, I know I have. Same 10 people saying the same thing...it gets old.

Last home game I was heckling Carey louder than anyone in that stadium and would love to seem him replaced but people here have lost all objectivity and ts ridiculous.

The first half against CMU and the first quarter against FSU were some of the worst football I have seen at NIU in a very long time, however they did beat CMU and had the PLAYERS executed they may have beat FSU. For the team to turn around their play in both games says as much about the coaching as does their horrible effort in the first quarter/half.

As easy as it is to blame Carey, the play calling put them in a position where if they execute they win at FSU and against Utah. What I also find funny is that when NIU was beating Nebraska, playing OSU to the wire, etc. it was his MAC record that mattered, now it seems to be the OOC record that matters. When all is said and done its MAC play that truly matters, P5 wins are nice, and Carey has had quite a few.

Things were not always rosy prior to Carey...People here seem to forget the pasting NIU took from WI and the horrible loss to a pathetic Kansas team under DD in 2011 or the loss to a really bad Iowa team in 2012.... What about Kill playing Grady over Harnish against ISU, or going for 2 in the first quarter(wtf) against Illinois?

I saw enough improvement in Childers to say that NIU should still win the west, in fact with the talent on this team, if Carey does not finish 1 or 2 in the MAC West he should be let go, but he wont be.

I appreciate the few people that have stayed with the Huskies even in the lean times, we need those people, without them, there are no fans left. And how exactly is it different if you are heckling Carey in front of other fans at games and people questioning his moves on this board? The day people are satisfied with the direction Carey is taking this program is the day we can all enjoy playing Illinois State every single year for Homecoming. Not for me, and I think a lot of people would prefer to stay FBS and have expectations for this program. There are some people who will be fine with NIU not striving for excellence, they prefer low crowds and easy access to bathrooms and refreshments. They just want their experience to be convenient without all the big crowds. That is fine, I understand that and appreciate it, but do not cut down people that want this program to get to new levels and maintain high standards. That is what makes being a fan great, each person has their own expectations and needs filled. It doesn't mean someone else is wrong if they have higher or lower expectations, those fans are just looking for something different.

I would say heckling the coach at games is much worse.

(09-25-2018 10:30 AM)Red Dog Wrote:  You won't find RED DOG abandoning $hit!!! Do I think Carey is the greatest coach in college football? Absolutely not. Do I think he's the best in the MAC? No. But he's our head coach and while he is EXTREMELY frustrating at times - the entire coaching staff is- they are our coaches and I will always support the program no matter what. Especially the 100 or so young men that lay it on the line every week for NIU Football. They put in hours in the weight room, in the fill room, on the practice field, in the classroom, etc. I will always tune in and cheer on our Huskies! Yes, the glory days of Jordan Lynch are gone. We are in a new era. Lets help this squad write their own story. The HARD WAY IS THE ONLY WAY.

Beat EMU!!!!

This is my kind of fan...I second your mindset

#HulkamaniaBrother

I think there is something else about "apathy" at least as it pertains to csnbbs. Message boards as a medium of online discussion isn’t quite extinct, but it’s endangered. It's not a perfect comparison between "fan apathy" and "Dog Pound apathy." If there are 15,000 fans on a nice day at Huskie Stadium, why are there rarely more than 300 viewing (not posting) here on away game days?

Partly it's because message boards like this are really old technology even though they do exactly what they are designed to do. It's simply not easy to attract a 16-26 year old new fan to a design like csnbbs. Those fans are on different platforms like facebook, reddit and twitter. And those platforms offer immediate access to other things as well, unlike csnbbs which for the vast majority of users is about their team only, and mostly their football team. That's what, four months a year? Hard to keep someone engaged at csnbbs for 12 months a year when Facebook can show you funny cat videos and you can clap-back your favorite punching bag on twitter all year long.

Really, csnbbs is web 1.0. It's a message boards that's built for people but not really for profit. No profit, no improvement.

This isn't a criticism, just a reality. I find csnbbs remarkably easy to use and follow especially in comparison to other media platforms so to me, personally, it's usability and lack of bling is a feature, not a bug. I've invested money and time to this site and I am happy I have done so. There are new features coming but the owner is just one guy and he has other responsibilities and interests as well.

Additionally, people's interest and involvement in message boards ebbs over time. People simply move on. It's not a fresh place anymore to old posters and migration from this platform was as inevitable as death and taxes. As older posters move on, the message board loses its sense of community, leading even more users to leave. It's a downward spiral, and not unique in the least to csnbbs. Basically there is not anything in the near term that will suddenly attract a thousand new NIU fans to chat sports-sports-sports here at the DogPound.

So if those posters are not replaced, you end up exactly what we have here - the most committed, the most comfortable, the most vocal, the most engaged, the most of whatever trait is driving them to csnbbs.

I don't think this board needs any improvement, the way it works right now. It's a lot easier to use than a lot of other boards I've been on. Maybe a few minor things, but it does what it's designed for.

I really don't like Facebook, so I'd rather spend time here. I go on Youtube to look at funny or interesting videos, though that can be addicting.

(09-25-2018 10:51 AM)BobL Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 07:58 AM)Dog Fan Wrote:  

(09-25-2018 06:54 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Those of you abandoning the program because of Carey are abandoning 100 young men as well. For many of those men NIU football will be the apex of their athletic career, and a time that sets the stage for their success later on in life.

You should think of these kids each time you wish ill on this program so that you can have your Ws.

Maybe STF should consider the kids, too, and get rid of Carey in June. Carey is ruining their talents.

A voice of reason, thank you.

Silly comment...

To the OP, Im not sure fans have become apathetic towards NIU football as much as many have become apathetic towards this board, I know I have. Same 10 people saying the same thing...it gets old.

Last home game I was heckling Carey louder than anyone in that stadium and would love to seem him replaced but people here have lost all objectivity and ts ridiculous.

The first half against CMU and the first quarter against FSU were some of the worst football I have seen at NIU in a very long time, however they did beat CMU and had the PLAYERS executed they may have beat FSU. For the team to turn around their play in both games says as much about the coaching as does their horrible effort in the first quarter/half.

As easy as it is to blame Carey, the play calling put them in a position where if they execute they win at FSU and against Utah. What I also find funny is that when NIU was beating Nebraska, playing OSU to the wire, etc. it was his MAC record that mattered, now it seems to be the OOC record that matters. When all is said and done its MAC play that truly matters, P5 wins are nice, and Carey has had quite a few.

Things were not always rosy prior to Carey...People here seem to forget the pasting NIU took from WI and the horrible loss to a pathetic Kansas team under DD in 2011 or the loss to a really bad Iowa team in 2012.... What about Kill playing Grady over Harnish against ISU, or going for 2 in the first quarter(wtf) against Illinois?

I saw enough improvement in Childers to say that NIU should still win the west, in fact with the talent on this team, if Carey does not finish 1 or 2 in the MAC West he should be let go, but he wont be.

(09-25-2018 02:50 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I think there is something else about "apathy" at least as it pertains to csnbbs. Message boards as a medium of online discussion isn’t quite extinct, but it’s endangered. It's not a perfect comparison between "fan apathy" and "Dog Pound apathy." If there are 15,000 fans on a nice day at Huskie Stadium, why are there rarely more than 300 viewing (not posting) here on away game days?

Partly it's because message boards like this are really old technology even though they do exactly what they are designed to do. It's simply not easy to attract a 16-26 year old new fan to a design like csnbbs. Those fans are on different platforms like facebook, reddit and twitter. And those platforms offer immediate access to other things as well, unlike csnbbs which for the vast majority of users is about their team only, and mostly their football team. That's what, four months a year? Hard to keep someone engaged at csnbbs for 12 months a year when Facebook can show you funny cat videos and you can clap-back your favorite punching bag on twitter all year long.

Really, csnbbs is web 1.0. It's a message boards that's built for people but not really for profit. No profit, no improvement.

This isn't a criticism, just a reality. I find csnbbs remarkably easy to use and follow especially in comparison to other media platforms so to me, personally, it's usability and lack of bling is a feature, not a bug. I've invested money and time to this site and I am happy I have done so. There are new features coming but the owner is just one guy and he has other responsibilities and interests as well.

Additionally, people's interest and involvement in message boards ebbs over time. People simply move on. It's not a fresh place anymore to old posters and migration from this platform was as inevitable as death and taxes. As older posters move on, the message board loses its sense of community, leading even more users to leave. It's a downward spiral, and not unique in the least to csnbbs. Basically there is not anything in the near term that will suddenly attract a thousand new NIU fans to chat sports-sports-sports here at the DogPound.

So if those posters are not replaced, you end up exactly what we have here - the most committed, the most comfortable, the most vocal, the most engaged, the most of whatever trait is driving them to csnbbs.

Back in the days of 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 — if you wanted to find people talking Huskie football, you searched “NIU Huskies forum” (I vaguely recall as a kid in early 2000s googling after hearing about players in a bar fight before Toledo game and the first thread being a MD conspiracy).

There was no NIU Huskie discussion on MySpace, FB (young), Twitter (infant), Reddit (didn’t exist) or IG (didn’t exist) back then. If there was, it was too hard to find. Unlike now with smartphones, you couldn’t view/post here when attending games.

If you look at comments on NIU’s IG posts, many seem to be students/recent grads. But the discussion is limited to one liners. That seems to be how the new generation likes it - a clash of cultures with forums.

(09-24-2018 07:56 PM)Prince Crossing Wrote:  As a fan who helped dump the uprights into the pond behind Grant Towers in 1983, I officially declare apathy. Those were the days when we would watch the 10:00 news and cheer if NIU made the highlight reel. I never in a million years would have dreamed of sitting in the stands watching the Huskies in the Orange Bowl. Yet, it didn’t take long for me to not give a damn. I’m just so frustrated by all that promise that was never capitalized on. I couldn’t watch the game Saturday because I get so mad at the poor play calling and lack of execution. If I ever hear the phrase “jet sweep” again, I think that will be the last straw.

I’ll be back when a new head coach and AD come to town.

I"m fairly certain I recall helping you abit in 1983. I also seem to recall, through the fog of cheap beer, also putting a goalpost into the Lagoon, quite the hike. But maybe we started out for the Lagoon and it never made it.

Let's leave the serious topics of disappointment and apathy for awhile...who recalls all the times we brought down the goalposts and where they ended up????

After Stacy Robinson destroyed Fresno we tore down the post and dumped it in the lagoon. Good memories. Everyone was chanting we want Notre Dame and I was like we don't want a piece that...