I know of no one who does not support voter ID laws. That being said, we have laws against all types of things that still occur on a daily basis.

(08-28-2018 08:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know of no one who does not support voter ID laws. That being said, we have laws against all types of things that still occur on a daily basis.

Tom, let me introduce you to the Democrat Party:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democra...Reform.htm

(08-28-2018 09:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 08:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know of no one who does not support voter ID laws. That being said, we have laws against all types of things that still occur on a daily basis.

Tom, let me introduce you to the Democrat Party:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democra...Reform.htm

Reading. It's fundamental.

Quote:We believe the right to vote and to have your vote counted is an essential American freedom, and we oppose laws that place unnecessary restrictions on those seeking to exercise that freedom. Democrats have a proud history of standing up for the right to vote. During the Obama administration, the Justice Department has initiated careful, thorough, and independent reviews of proposed voting changes, and it has prevented states from implementing voter identification laws that would be harmful to minority voters. Democrats know that voter identification laws can disproportionately burden young voters, people of color, low-income families, people with disabilities, and the elderly, and we refuse to allow the use of political pretexts to disenfranchise American citizens.

Nowhere does this claim they are in favor of no voter ID laws.

(08-28-2018 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 08:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know of no one who does not support voter ID laws. That being said, we have laws against all types of things that still occur on a daily basis.

Tom, let me introduce you to the Democrat Party:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democra...Reform.htm

Reading. It's fundamental.

Quote:We believe the right to vote and to have your vote counted is an essential American freedom, and we oppose laws that place unnecessary restrictions on those seeking to exercise that freedom. Democrats have a proud history of standing up for the right to vote. During the Obama administration, the Justice Department has initiated careful, thorough, and independent reviews of proposed voting changes, and it has prevented states from implementing voter identification laws that would be harmful to minority voters. Democrats know that voter identification laws can disproportionately burden young voters, people of color, low-income families, people with disabilities, and the elderly, and we refuse to allow the use of political pretexts to disenfranchise American citizens.

Nowhere does this claim they are in favor of no voter ID laws.

What you have bolded prevents the democratic party from every being able to support a functional voter ID policy. Anything can be construed as an "unnecessary restriction","harmful to minority voters",and lead to "disenfranchise American citizens".

(08-28-2018 11:16 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 08:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know of no one who does not support voter ID laws. That being said, we have laws against all types of things that still occur on a daily basis.

Tom, let me introduce you to the Democrat Party:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democra...Reform.htm

Reading. It's fundamental.

Quote:We believe the right to vote and to have your vote counted is an essential American freedom, and we oppose laws that place unnecessary restrictions on those seeking to exercise that freedom. Democrats have a proud history of standing up for the right to vote. During the Obama administration, the Justice Department has initiated careful, thorough, and independent reviews of proposed voting changes, and it has prevented states from implementing voter identification laws that would be harmful to minority voters. Democrats know that voter identification laws can disproportionately burden young voters, people of color, low-income families, people with disabilities, and the elderly, and we refuse to allow the use of political pretexts to disenfranchise American citizens.

Nowhere does this claim they are in favor of no voter ID laws.

What you have bolded prevents the democratic party from every being able to support a functional voter ID policy. Anything can be construed as an "unnecessary restriction","harmful to minority voters",and lead to "disenfranchise American citizens".

Hogwash.

(08-28-2018 11:27 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 11:16 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 09:46 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-28-2018 08:37 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I know of no one who does not support voter ID laws. That being said, we have laws against all types of things that still occur on a daily basis.

Tom, let me introduce you to the Democrat Party:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democra...Reform.htm

Reading. It's fundamental.

Quote:We believe the right to vote and to have your vote counted is an essential American freedom, and we oppose laws that place unnecessary restrictions on those seeking to exercise that freedom. Democrats have a proud history of standing up for the right to vote. During the Obama administration, the Justice Department has initiated careful, thorough, and independent reviews of proposed voting changes, and it has prevented states from implementing voter identification laws that would be harmful to minority voters. Democrats know that voter identification laws can disproportionately burden young voters, people of color, low-income families, people with disabilities, and the elderly, and we refuse to allow the use of political pretexts to disenfranchise American citizens.

Nowhere does this claim they are in favor of no voter ID laws.

What you have bolded prevents the democratic party from every being able to support a functional voter ID policy. Anything can be construed as an "unnecessary restriction","harmful to minority voters",and lead to "disenfranchise American citizens".

Hogwash.

You can take every argument in favor of voter ID laws and argue against it using those three points. That statement from the democratic party is nothing more than a CYA

But I guess we only hold 1 side to any sort of standards of practice...
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Or maybe one shouldn't make bets with other people if he or she doesn't intend to honor it. By welching on it, you prove to others that you have no honor.
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...and he wasn't even bright enough to change his username...and the only ones that would know he did would be the initiator of this site. Tsk, what a poor example of a Tulane education.

No one really cares if you choose to undermine your own credibility Tom. That's your right.

But there are actually a few of us on this forum that would favor a healthy two-party system. The Democrat Party - - on the voter id issues, and on several others - - has placed itself in an untenable position, at least from the viewpoint of most sane voters. I would like for the Democrat Party to start acting normal. To take off the Antifa masks. To stop calling people bigots, just because they happen to disagree politically. And to call out their own when they are espousing policies such as voter fraud.

You may be a lost cause, Tom. I truly hope that the Democrat Party is not.

Because, if so, many of us are not going to have a party that we can support -- at least not until the Republican Party sobers up from its populist bender.

No clue why you're making this personal with me, but again, I'm not a Democrat and I favor Voter ID laws. As does everyone I know.

(08-28-2018 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No clue why you're making this personal with me, but again, I'm not a Democrat and I favor Voter ID laws. As does everyone I know.

Nothing personal from my end, Tom. Just offering up my assurances that I do know how to read -- ref. your post #43.

I wish I could say the same that I know no one who opposes voter id laws. At least in my urban voting precinct, that appears to be the majority view.

(08-28-2018 11:13 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Nowhere does this claim they are in favor of no voter ID laws.

No. What they're in favor of is treating the least little inconvenience as a racist attempt to rig elections. Having to have a state issued photo ID (which 90% of people have and would be beneficial to 100% for other purposes) in fact, the only people who SHOULDN'T"T WANT such an ID are 'right wing' anarchists or people otherwise trying to hide from the law...

(08-28-2018 01:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm not a Democrat and I favor Voter ID laws. As does everyone I know.

Then you don't know a lot of 'loud' Democrats. In fairness, like the GOP, it's a few loud people who SEEM to represent, but don't, the parties.

In Crawford v Marion County, Justices Souter and Ginsberg argued that the state had to prove the existence of fraud first... and Breyer said that it was overly burdensome 'and expensive' to somehow write that you didn't have an ID because you couldn't afford one.

In the Indiana DNC brief filed (which obviously at least represents the DNC in that state) they gave the same nebulous statistics that I've seen in countless articles/blogs/court opinions/on here etc claiming 12% of voting age Americans don't have ID, 15% who earn less than 35k and 25% of African Americans... more than 21mm people... and then about how hard it is to get an ID, ignoring that the requirements for an ID aren't a lot greater than requirements for registering to vote... so rather than 'voter registration' drives, we could fund 'voter identification' drives and bring the services to them....

in other words, 90% of the barriers exist solely because we have not previously gone to any efforts to address the issues... yet it is undeniable that 'not having an ID' makes it difficult to work, get a job, open a bank account, cash a check etc etc etc.

If we REALLY cared about these people, we'd be working to make sure that EVERY citizen had a valid ID... and not 'keeping people from accessing life' so that they can be used as pawns. I don't remember Indiana's timeline, but most I've seen gave 4-6 YEARS for people to comply.

I understand why the GOP wants to put the requirement to have it before making it easier to get it... but I don't understand why the focus of the left is to stop it from happening at all rather than allowing the people it supposedly cares about greater access to so many things that 90% of us take for granted.

(08-28-2018 04:08 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  but I don't understand why the focus of the left is to stop it from happening at all rather than allowing the people it supposedly cares about greater access to so many things that 90% of us take for granted.

Because they don't care about those people except for the votes they represent. The only purpose for which those people exist, in their minds, is to show up at the polls and vote democrat.

(08-27-2018 03:22 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  FWIW: I hope ANYONE caught cheating in an election is held accountable. Illegal voters, double votes, using false identities. It's all shameful.

Great. What's your stance on not honoring bets?

(08-28-2018 07:37 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(08-27-2018 03:22 PM)JDTulane Wrote:  FWIW: I hope ANYONE caught cheating in an election is held accountable. Illegal voters, double votes, using false identities. It's all shameful.

Great. What's your stance on not honoring bets?

Great. What's your stance on following the AUP and making posts about the topic rather than the poster?

D'oh!