Love how we go 3-4 against #12 RPI Auburn and 53 USA and we drop 1 spot in RPI

(05-21-2018 01:19 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Love how we go 3-4 against #12 RPI Auburn and 53 USA and we drop 1 spot in RPI

Remember RPI isn't just you, its your opponents. If one of your earlier opponents had a tough weekend and dropped a bunch in RPI, you're likely going to drop slightly as a result.

(05-21-2018 09:13 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  True. Honestly, the bottom 9 teams should just throw every game against the top three so they can make the tournament and host a regional. It's what is best for the Sun Belt.

He's not saying that. What he's been saying is that in most decisions on the baseball side, the coaches do what's best for the league.

We've had many times before where teams have dealt with rain the last weekend of the season. Most every time, the decisions the teams made on when to play and when to cancel were in the best interest in the league, and not the teams themselves. There have been numerous times teams have played games when they had no reason to, because they knew that game would have a significant impact on the NCAA Tournament or SBC Tournament picture.

ULM famously played a baseball game three years ago against its own best interests because it had a significant impact on the league tournament race. Had they rained out the game after a 3 hour delay, they would have been in the tournament. But instead they played and lost and were eliminated, but it solved a ton of seeding issues for the league

Generally speaking, baseball coaches do what's best for the league. The only team happy about Coastal played 24 innings Saturday is whoever they play on Wednesday. There's zero benefit to the 11 other teams. Including App.

(05-21-2018 12:32 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:18 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:15 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 11:41 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 10:12 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  If it were about the good of the conference, the one team in this conference other than Coastal with a realistic chance for an at-large bid would be playing one of the "wild card" teams in their second game and not the team with the fifth best conference record.

I'm confused. Are you saying the Cajuns have no chance of an at large bid?

Cajuns finished fifth in the Sun Belt ... that's going to be tough

From the selection committee perspective, Cajuns won the western division, and it they make it to the finals of the tournament could wind up with a RPI in the mid-40's and have the best record of anyone in the conference against the top 50 or top 100 in RPI. I'm not saying it's a great chance, but to say "no chance" I would disagree with.

From the selection committee, they finished fifth. They don't care about divisions.

This is accurate. Also, when they look at overall conference record, they will include the 1-2 vs South Alabama as well as conference tournament games.

(05-21-2018 01:54 PM)wcd35 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:32 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:18 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:15 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 11:41 AM)CajunAmos Wrote:  I'm confused. Are you saying the Cajuns have no chance of an at large bid?

Cajuns finished fifth in the Sun Belt ... that's going to be tough

From the selection committee perspective, Cajuns won the western division, and it they make it to the finals of the tournament could wind up with a RPI in the mid-40's and have the best record of anyone in the conference against the top 50 or top 100 in RPI. I'm not saying it's a great chance, but to say "no chance" I would disagree with.

From the selection committee, they finished fifth. They don't care about divisions.

This is accurate. Also, when they look at overall conference record, they will include the 1-2 vs South Alabama as well as conference tournament games.

Selection committee is also going to notice a series loss to Arkansas State and that will probably be the end of that.

Maybe if you guys had beaten Texas State in that next to last series, but You guys have series losses to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 6th, and 9th place teams in the league standings. That's just not going to get you in the tournament.

An excerpt from Ragin Pagin (hopefully Brian won't mind)

Here is a scenario where the highest seeds win ...

#2 Louisiana defeats #7 Little Rock
#2 Louisiana defeats #3 Troy
#2 Louisiana defeats #3 Troy (Bracket Championship game)
#1 Coastal Carolina defeats #2 Louisiana (Sun Belt Championship game)

This leaves Louisiana with an RPI of .55802 (all other things being equal). This is presently good for a ranking of #45. However, Troy would fall below the Cajuns in RPI ... thus the Cajuns would be at #44 (all other things being equal). Of course, the teams around the Cajuns could push this a bit higher or lower. It is tightly packed (virtual tie with Baylor) and top 40 is not out of the realm of possibility.

Other factors in the Cajuns' favor ...
- Current 8-8 record vs. RPI Top 50 ... which would increase to 10-9 under the above scenario. This is stellar and is far above and beyond many of the candidate schools with which the Cajuns would be competing with for these last at-large spots.

- Current 17-17 record vs. RPI Top 100 ... which would increase 20-18 under the above scenario. Nothing at all wrong with a .500 record vs. the RPI Top 100.

- Current NC RPI ranking of #26 and current NC SOS ranking of #3! This shows the committee that the Cajuns assembled an extremely challenging non-conference schedule (only thing in their control) and more than survived. This speaks very loudly.

- Cajuns would have finished with a decent conference record of 22-15 (1-2, 18-12, 3-1), made the conference tournament finals, and would hold the 3-2 series edge over Troy. Louisiana would be #2 in the Sun Belt pecking order for an at-large bid (ahead of Troy).

- Overall SOS is a respectable #47 in the country.

If the above scenario were to take place, I am quite confident the Cajuns would be in the field of 64 ... save an abnormally large # of conference tournament upsets (stolen bids).

(05-21-2018 01:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 01:54 PM)wcd35 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:32 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:18 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:15 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Cajuns finished fifth in the Sun Belt ... that's going to be tough

From the selection committee perspective, Cajuns won the western division, and it they make it to the finals of the tournament could wind up with a RPI in the mid-40's and have the best record of anyone in the conference against the top 50 or top 100 in RPI. I'm not saying it's a great chance, but to say "no chance" I would disagree with.

From the selection committee, they finished fifth. They don't care about divisions.

This is accurate. Also, when they look at overall conference record, they will include the 1-2 vs South Alabama as well as conference tournament games.

Selection committee is also going to notice a series loss to Arkansas State and that will probably be the end of that.

Maybe if you guys had beaten Texas State in that next to last series, but You guys have series losses to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 6th, and 9th place teams in the league standings. That's just not going to get you in the tournament.

The committee wants to know: Who did you play? Who did you beat?

If the Cajuns should get to the tournament finals unbeaten (two wins over Troy) and a loss in the finals to CCU they will have an RPI in the 40's and a stellar 10-9 record against the RPI top 50.

THAT will give them a great chance to get in.

Still going to be hard to get over a fifth-place conference finish ... those things matter. Cajuns hanging on RPI here while the outside metrics will probably bite them. I hope we get four in, but just don't see it happening.

(05-21-2018 02:43 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Still going to be hard to get over a fifth-place conference finish ... those things matter. Cajuns hanging on RPI here while the outside metrics will probably bite them. I hope we get four in, but just don't see it happening.

Oh, I didn't say we'd get four in. I just said the Cajuns aren't out of it yet.

(05-21-2018 03:10 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 02:43 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Still going to be hard to get over a fifth-place conference finish ... those things matter. Cajuns hanging on RPI here while the outside metrics will probably bite them. I hope we get four in, but just don't see it happening.

Oh, I didn't say we'd get four in. I just said the Cajuns aren't out of it yet.

I didn't mean it that way. Coastal, Troy, Cajuns and South (maybe not so much South as of late) have field-worthy resumes.

(05-21-2018 02:20 PM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 01:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 01:54 PM)wcd35 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:32 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 12:18 PM)CajunAmos Wrote:  From the selection committee perspective, Cajuns won the western division, and it they make it to the finals of the tournament could wind up with a RPI in the mid-40's and have the best record of anyone in the conference against the top 50 or top 100 in RPI. I'm not saying it's a great chance, but to say "no chance" I would disagree with.

From the selection committee, they finished fifth. They don't care about divisions.

This is accurate. Also, when they look at overall conference record, they will include the 1-2 vs South Alabama as well as conference tournament games.

Selection committee is also going to notice a series loss to Arkansas State and that will probably be the end of that.

Maybe if you guys had beaten Texas State in that next to last series, but You guys have series losses to the 2nd, 3rd and 4th, 6th, and 9th place teams in the league standings. That's just not going to get you in the tournament.

The committee wants to know: Who did you play? Who did you beat?

If the Cajuns should get to the tournament finals unbeaten (two wins over Troy) and a loss in the finals to CCU they will have an RPI in the 40's and a stellar 10-9 record against the RPI top 50.

THAT will give them a great chance to get in.

You forgot the important part: do you play in the SEC, ACC, Big 12 or PAC 12

(05-21-2018 02:43 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Still going to be hard to get over a fifth-place conference finish ... those things matter. Cajuns hanging on RPI here while the outside metrics will probably bite them. I hope we get four in, but just don't see it happening.

Conference finish is one factor, but so is RPI, record vs Top 50, vs Top 100, NC SOS, head to head, etc. Not one of those is necessarily more weighted, just that they're all laid out as tools to help make the selection. The record vs top 50 and especially will be far and away our strongest vs similar RPI teams.

There's still a lot of baseball to play and teams will be shooting up and down the RPI. Still hard to project the field right now.

(05-21-2018 02:43 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  Still going to be hard to get over a fifth-place conference finish ... those things matter. Cajuns hanging on RPI here while the outside metrics will probably bite them. I hope we get four in, but just don't see it happening.

I would think they'd look at the actual win/loss than what place that represented. In the won/loss category, that's one game.

Who ended up winning the CWS? I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in any forums or news outlets.

(07-02-2018 09:05 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Who ended up winning the CWS? I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in any forums or news outlets.

Oregon State. Arkansas had the win but with three people around a foul ball, but they blew it.

(07-02-2018 09:16 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:05 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Who ended up winning the CWS? I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in any forums or news outlets.

Oregon State. Arkansas had the win but with three people around a foul ball, but they blew it.

Thanks. With the Braves playing well, and my need for nostalgia, I'm watching baseball again this year for the first time in 25 years. I will keep a closer eye on Sunbelt baseball next year.

(07-02-2018 09:22 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:16 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:05 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Who ended up winning the CWS? I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in any forums or news outlets.

Oregon State. Arkansas had the win but with three people around a foul ball, but they blew it.

Thanks. With the Braves playing well, and my need for nostalgia, I'm watching baseball again this year for the first time in 25 years. I will keep a closer eye on Sunbelt baseball next year.

I've decided I've got to get back into baseball just because the NBA regular-season and most of the season is getting pointless.

(07-02-2018 09:16 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:05 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Who ended up winning the CWS? I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in any forums or news outlets.

Oregon State. Arkansas had the win but with three people around a foul ball, but they blew it.

A moment that still brings me great joy and happiness... Piggy tears are the best type of tears.

(07-02-2018 11:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:16 PM)GEAGLESJAG Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 09:05 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  Who ended up winning the CWS? I don't recall ever seeing it mentioned in any forums or news outlets.

Oregon State. Arkansas had the win but with three people around a foul ball, but they blew it.

A moment that still brings me great joy and happiness... Piggy tears are the best type of tears.

Amen brother.

Our former AD hunter Yurachek after a stint at Houston is now AD at Arkansas

Some folks around were laughing we should send him a pic of our National Championship trophy so he would know what it looked like