(06-29-2018 07:04 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Someone teach our App fans how the breeding process works, and how we can’t ‘help’ them breed.
Humans can’t procreate with animals....no matter how hard you try.

You guys sure think about beastiality a lot. A herd of elk have been successfully reintroduced into the Cataloochee valley in NC. Same could be done with jaguars. And you guys are about to start holding up photos of naked wolves, helping them get in the mood to fornicate. Same same.

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(07-02-2018 05:51 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 07:04 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Someone teach our App fans how the breeding process works, and how we can’t ‘help’ them breed.
Humans can’t procreate with animals....no matter how hard you try.

You guys sure think about beastiality a lot. A herd of elk have been successfully reintroduced into the Cataloochee valley in NC. Same could be done with jaguars. And you guys are about to start holding up photos of naked wolves, helping them get in the mood to fornicate. Same same.

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The elk thing is pretty awesome

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(07-02-2018 05:19 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 04:36 PM)InjunJohn86 Wrote:  

(07-02-2018 01:15 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  Killing any animal just for the sport of it is freakin' sick.

Good thing wasps and mosquitoes are insects and not animals. I kill as many of them as I possibly can

"Animals are multicellular eukaryotic organisms that form the biological kingdom Animalia. With few exceptions, animals consume organic material, breathe oxygen, are able to move, reproduce sexually, and grow from a hollow sphere of cells, the blastula, during embryonic development. Over 1.5 million livinganimal species have been described—of which around 1 million are insects—but it has been estimated there are over 7 million animal species in total."

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Well then call me a sport hunter because I will slaughter those things when given the chance. Mean, nasty, vile little creatures that deserve to die in the millions!!!

(06-28-2018 11:47 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-28-2018 10:15 AM)_x_ Wrote:  Human population needs to be controlled.

Which we could each get a tag for a few people a year...

where's thanos when you need him.

I will not do the conversation justice, but if you really want to hear a good discussion on the benefits and need for hunting (or just gear up for an argument on the topic), Joe Rogan has some great podcasts on the topic.

Fair warning, he is pro hunting. He would also be furious about the way this jaguar was killed.

I miss hunting. But it was easily the first thing I gave up when work/kids/home improvement/marriage started occupying all my time.

I'm a life long hunter and I totally get why it is disliked by some people. Things like the poaching of this Jaguar even though it was done illegally still give the millions of legal ethical hunters a bad rep but with a little education most come to see hunting as a good thing.

What most non-hunters and maybe even some who do hunt don't often understand is the most of the fees and taxes from hunting and fishing go back into wildlife & habitat conservation. In fact between special taxes levied on sporting equipment plus licenses and fees each year hunters and fishermen contribute $3.3 billion to wildlife conservation which benefits both game and non-game species alike. (Source NPR) In addition sportsmen donate an additional $2.3 billion each year to private organizations such as the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation or the National Wild Turkey Federation which in turn put this most of this money back into habitat restoration. (Source American Hunter Magazine)

Per NPR Licenses, Fees and taxes make up 59% of the nations wildlife conservation budget with private organizations providing the rest. Now what this tells me is that hunters and fishermen like myself are doing more for wildlife than any other group of people.

(07-03-2018 10:17 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  ... Now what this tells me is that hunters and fishermen like myself are doing more for wildlife than any other group of people.

Very true.

Food acquisition and true wildlife management are the only ways hunting makes sense to me.

I see very little difference in those who love the rush they get when they make a kill to the demented kids killing cats for fun.

I hate to break it to the hunter haters out there but bulldozers and ranchers kill more cats than bullets do. Hunters are the largest group of conservationist in the world. This is FACT so don't even try to debate it or knock it. That's why I'm proud be a hunter. When it comes to hunting my efforts and dollars go to conservation. Do bikers, hikers, and other outdoors enthusiasts have an act that generates conservation dollars. That is a resounding NO

I suggest everyone google Pittman Roberston Act. Since the birth of this Act dollars generated by hunters such as myself total over 800 BILLION Dollars. Annually that dollar amount bounces around the 700 Million Dollar mark. Again that's Conservation dollars generated by HUNTERS.

In regards to a conservation program that is Jaguar specific...Check out a gentlemen named Rocky McBride. He is Texan and hunter that's is known for running hounds on cats (Ocelots, Jaguars, Mountain Lions, etc). Part of the year he resides in Paraguay South America where he darts and relocates problematic Jaguars. There is a hunting show out there call UNCHARTED where a well known professional hunter documents McBride's Effort; Project Jaguar. It's definitely a good watch even if you are not a hunter.

Other than that if there are a couple of you that have never had the opportunity to hunt but are interested I would be more than happy to help point y'all in the right direction. It's very rewarding where you are able to secure your own meat and give back to conservation. It's also a good tool to get the family involve outdoors.

Conservationist to Check out:
Donnie Vincent https://www.donnievincent.com/
Brian Call http://www.grittybowmen.com/about/
Randy Newberg
Steve Rinella

(07-04-2018 10:19 AM)Cajuncat Wrote:  I hate to break it to the hunter haters out there but bulldozers and ranchers kill more cats than bullets do. Hunters are the largest group of conservationist in the world. This is FACT so don't even try to debate it or knock it. That's why I'm proud be a hunter. When it comes to hunting my efforts and dollars go to conservation. Do bikers, hikers, and other outdoors enthusiasts have an act that generates conservation dollars. That is a resounding NO

I suggest everyone google Pittman Roberston Act. Since the birth of this Act dollars generated by hunters such as myself total over 800 BILLION Dollars. Annually that dollar amount bounces around the 700 Million Dollar mark. Again that's Conservation dollars generated by HUNTERS.

In regards to a conservation program that is Jaguar specific...Check out a gentlemen named Rocky McBride. He is Texan and hunter that's is known for running hounds on cats (Ocelots, Jaguars, Mountain Lions, etc). Part of the year he resides in Paraguay South America where he darts and relocates problematic Jaguars. There is a hunting show out there call UNCHARTED where a well known professional hunter documents McBride's Effort; Project Jaguar. It's definitely a good watch even if you are not a hunter.

Other than that if there are a couple of you that have never had the opportunity to hunt but are interested I would be more than happy to help point y'all in the right direction. It's very rewarding where you are able to secure your own meat and give back to conservation. It's also a good tool to get the family involve outdoors.

I don't disagree with most of this and don't have a problem with the type of hunting you're talking about, but you're dead wrong about one thing. Non-hunters such as hikers and campers, etc., contribute to wildlife conservation funds as well through the purchase of National Park passes and other memberships. The general one that lasts for a year is still $80, although that might go up soon. Then there are park-specific passes and senior/family passes, as well as state park and historical site passes for every state in the country. Those generate good revenue too. My family buys them in Georgia.

You didn't have to pump up hunters as the only ones who contribute to conservation dollars while wrongly claiming that other outdoors enthusiasts contribute nothing. Totally false.

Easy.....I take it you didn’t thoroughly read thru my post or read the specifics of my statement; especially what the act involves. I simply wanted to educate everyone that Hunters imposed a tax on themselves for goods and services they use. That tax goes to conservation. Other communities have been challenged to follow suit with similar tax acts but so far those proposals on their own goods have been voted down. I never denied there were other avenues where money is generated just confirmed that the very hunting community others tend to bash sell public rage on are the same ones driving existence of wildlife, parks, and public land access. The tax act sets us apart from the rest at a much higher level than any other group. Hunters continue to be leaders in conservation end of story.

(07-04-2018 01:13 PM)Cajuncat Wrote:  Easy.....I take it you didn’t thoroughly read thru my post or read the specifics of my statement; especially what the act involves. I simply wanted to educate everyone that Hunters imposed a tax on themselves for goods and services they use. That tax goes to conservation. Other communities have been challenged to follow suit with similar tax acts but so far those proposals on their own goods have been voted down. I never denied there were other avenues where money is generated just confirmed that the very hunting community others tend to bash sell public rage on are the same ones driving existence of wildlife, parks, and public land access. The tax act sets us apart from the rest at a much higher level than any other group. Hunters continue to be leaders in conservation end of story.

I see. Maybe I should have assumed you were specifically referencing a tax, but your post didn't include the word "tax" so I didn't catch that. Thanks, I'll google that act you mentioned.

(07-03-2018 08:20 AM)NCeagle Wrote:  

(06-28-2018 11:47 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(06-28-2018 10:15 AM)_x_ Wrote:  Human population needs to be controlled.

Which we could each get a tag for a few people a year...

where's thanos when you need him.

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Questions and facts:

Jaguars in North America- not known to be in large breeding populations in northern mexico or the southwest US. Occasional sightings by hound hunters running cougars and bobcats, fairly rare.

Question: Why would you want to increase the population of an animal this high up on the food chain that was never in large numbers here to begin with (at least according to known history)??? It wasn't even on the map of the northern fringe of their territory until recently, and it takes more than just a few breeding populations to have an established territory to call home. 3 "known" jaguars is not a breeding population. Their spots camo them in the jungle, not so much in the southwest, another dead giveaway and probably a good reason they weren't in average numbers as compared to the jungle areas of central and south america. Research this cat, and tell me you want this cat here, might change your mind.

As far as elk is concerned, what efforts have been done to bring them back east is not a "reintroduction", it is an introduction of a new species. The eastern elk was wiped out by the early 1900s, and was a bigger species than their western brothers. Same goes for the eastern bison, wolves, cougars etc. You can't have high number of predators throwing off balance the deer herd and elk herd populations, without also hunting the predators to keep them in check. So go ahead and reintroduce those predators and then cry your eyes out when season opens up on them and you see crying liberal photos of majestic jaguars being killed in texas, cougars in virginia, west virginia, kentucky, wolves in about every area a coyotes resides. Checks and balances, checks and balances.

(07-02-2018 05:51 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(06-29-2018 07:04 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Someone teach our App fans how the breeding process works, and how we can’t ‘help’ them breed.
Humans can’t procreate with animals....no matter how hard you try.

You guys sure think about beastiality a lot. A herd of elk have been successfully reintroduced into the Cataloochee valley in NC. Same could be done with jaguars. And you guys are about to start holding up photos of naked wolves, helping them get in the mood to fornicate. Same same.

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Maybe for the sake of this conversation, he should think about the Red Wolf breeding program at Arkansas State: http://wknofm.org/post/state-host-nation...-jonesboro

I'm sure he thought he was being hilarious.