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Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.
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(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

It will die out, but not at the rate you may think. Older Americans, who also happen to be the most enthusiastic sports consumers, will probably prefer familiar forms of delivery. It is why ESPN has invested heavily in streaming and is assembling rights accordingly. What it probably reflects is the youthfulness of the big city markets which will probably abandon cable the fastest, both because of lifestyle and because of the availability of options.

But Bullet, if it does anything it will drive the realignment of brands to produce high dollar content games. I doubt it will affect the SEC very much, or anytime soon. Sometimes it's better to behind the trend curve and this may be one of those times.
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(04-12-2018 08:00 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Is Comcast even a player in NYC market?

In NYC, the major players are Spectrum (formerly Time Warner Cable), Altice (Cablevision) and Verizon FiOS. A minor player is RCN Corporation. Comcast does not have any systems in the city.

Comcast does have a major presence in New Jersey.
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(04-12-2018 09:28 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 08:00 PM)cubucks Wrote:  Is Comcast even a player in NYC market?

In NYC, the major players are Spectrum (formerly Time Warner Cable), Altice (Cablevision) and Verizon FiOS. A minor player is RCN Corporation. Comcast does not have any systems in the city.

Comcast does have a major presence in New Jersey.
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(04-12-2018 07:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I DESPISE conference tv networks with all my heart. I'm not picking on the B10 network.
I want the the worst for the SECN, PAC12N, ACCN and Bonghorn network as well....

If you are a fan, especially a fan of the Olympic sports they are wonderful during the fall, winter and spring but a waste of a channel in the summer.

But if you don't care about volleyball, baseball, softball, gymnastics, etc. and only care about football and men's hoops they are an iffy proposition. If you are just a football fan they are a terrible bargain.
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(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

If it is dying, then the SEC is a huge winner by holding no equity/risk and handing everything over to a deep pocket, while the Pac-12 has made a big mistake.

I suspect that evolving is more accurate than dying.

What seems to be happening is a three path system.

Path one will be bundles. Bundles are going to stick around because consumers like them (to some degree). A collection of general interest channels (ie. TBS, TNT, USA, ESPN, Discovery, AMC, etc,) that offer content appealing to a broad range of tastes. Consumers may want to provide their own infrastructure (Sling, YouTube TV, etc.) or pay the bundler for infrastructure (cable and satellite).

Path two will be niche programming you pay a subscription for like HBO, WWE, ESPN+, MLB.tv and probably in the future conference networks.

Path three will be what I call branded bundlers. Netflix, Amazon, CBS All-Access, That offer a wide selection of programming like a bundler but all done as a single brand.

The thing about branded bundlers is they have expanded into add-ons. Subscribe to Amazon or Hulu and for an added fee add HBO or Showtime.

I think ESPN is headed that direction slowly with ESPN+. They already offer MLB out-of-market as an add-on and presumably will do the same with NHL. The next step will likely be local programming and conference networks. With ESPN slated to launch ACC Network and resistance apparently growing to adding regional and/or niche programming that is expensive to the basic bundle, I could see ESPN offering ACC Network to bundlers at $12 per year in market while also offering it via ESPN+ at a significantly higher price maybe $120 per year on an annual contract or $25 per month without a contract. That permits Comcast or Direct to go to consumers and say why pay that big amount ESPN wants for ACCN when you can get it included in the ___ tier.
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In-market BTN will stay on comcast, contrary to other posts.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2...ineup.html

And I don't think the ACCN will get much resistance. Disney has more leverage by threatening to withhold ESPN or any of their other channels. No one gives a crap if they can't get FS1/FS2.
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(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.
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If you like non-revenue sports you will like having the Big Ten and the SEC Network on your tv.
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(04-13-2018 07:35 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

I hope you are right. I’m rooting strongly for espn to die an agonizing death.
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Disney could buy into the big ten network
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(04-13-2018 07:34 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  In-market BTN will stay on comcast, contrary to other posts.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2...ineup.html

And I don't think the ACCN will get much resistance. Disney has more leverage by threatening to withhold ESPN or any of their other channels. No one gives a crap if they can't get FS1/FS2.

Or Fox...or F/X, or Fox News...Fox has more leverage than you think.

The problem with any of these conference networks is they are regional entities with some national attractiveness. The issue is that the conference networks dont include most of the content that is "nationally" attractive. It's largely 3rd tier stuff. California doesnt care much about an ACC Wake Forest vs FCS (not picking on the ACC--most any 3rd tier game outside of the SEC probably has very limited appeal outside of the conference footprint). Thus, the backlash cable companies face for dropping these networks in out of footprint states is not likely to be very substantial. Its an easy place to trim cost.

I wouldnt be surprised if these networks are over the top networks outside of their primary footprints in the next decade.
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(04-13-2018 08:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 07:35 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

I hope you are right. I’m rooting strongly for espn to die an agonizing death.

I think you will be disappointed.

Go look at what people in the UK pay for ala carte sports and that's basically just local soccer with little to watch in the summer.

ESPN holds the rights to most of what Americans want to watch and now they are adding regional rights.

Suspect ESPN is going to be fine.
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(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 08:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 07:35 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

I hope you are right. I’m rooting strongly for espn to die an agonizing death.

I think you will be disappointed.

Go look at what people in the UK pay for ala carte sports and that's basically just local soccer with little to watch in the summer.

ESPN holds the rights to most of what Americans want to watch and now they are adding regional rights.

Suspect ESPN is going to be fine.

You are probably right but I'm still rooting for their demise.
I won't forgive ESPN for what they did to my school in 1996 by colluding and creating the BCS/Cartel etc. That destroyed ECU's momentum and they've been actively fighting against us with their false narrative for 20 years. So I'm fighting against them.
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(04-13-2018 11:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 07:34 AM)ColKurtz Wrote:  In-market BTN will stay on comcast, contrary to other posts.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2...ineup.html

And I don't think the ACCN will get much resistance. Disney has more leverage by threatening to withhold ESPN or any of their other channels. No one gives a crap if they can't get FS1/FS2.

Or Fox...or F/X, or Fox News...Fox has more leverage than you think.

The problem with any of these conference networks is they are regional entities with some national attractiveness. The issue is that the conference networks dont include most of the content that is "nationally" attractive. It's largely 3rd tier stuff. California doesnt care much about an ACC Wake Forest vs FCS (not picking on the ACC--most any 3rd tier game outside of the SEC probably has very limited appeal outside of the conference footprint). Thus, the backlash cable companies face for dropping these networks in out of footprint states is not likely to be very substantial. Its an easy place to trim cost.

I wouldnt be surprised if these networks are over the top networks outside of their primary footprints in the next decade.
F/X goes to Disney as well, along with the 20th Century Fox film library and the 20th Century Fox Television production company.

Quote:The remaining Fox assets, including Fox Broadcasting Company, national sports cable networks FS1 and FS2, Fox News Channel and the Fox stations, will form a new company, previously referred to by Rupert Murdoch as New Fox.
Source: http://deadline.com/2018/04/disney-fox-m...202363025/[/quote]
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(04-13-2018 12:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 08:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 07:35 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

I hope you are right. I’m rooting strongly for espn to die an agonizing death.

I think you will be disappointed.

Go look at what people in the UK pay for ala carte sports and that's basically just local soccer with little to watch in the summer.

ESPN holds the rights to most of what Americans want to watch and now they are adding regional rights.

Suspect ESPN is going to be fine.

You are probably right but I'm still rooting for their demise.
I won't forgive ESPN for what they did to my school in 1996 by colluding and creating the BCS/Cartel etc. That destroyed ECU's momentum and they've been actively fighting against us with their false narrative for 20 years. So I'm fighting against them.

Without derailing the topic, yes, ESPN might be guilty of the things you mentioned but the reason East Carolina did not make the cut in the BCS is due to geography. If ECU was in Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Baltimore, even in Norfolk, the Big East would’ve invited you in the 90s. Just look at how they treated Virginia Tech with FB only membership and the Hokies did not join for all sports until 2001, two years before they announced going to the ACC with Miami (for that reason I never understood the criticism VT got from BE fans for going to the ACC). Heck, just look at Temple. ECU has a rabid fan base, good stadium with a P5 athmosphere, travels well to bowls and has a tradition of beating nearby P5 schools but you’re in the wrong state.
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(04-13-2018 03:51 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 08:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 07:35 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

I hope you are right. I’m rooting strongly for espn to die an agonizing death.

I think you will be disappointed.

Go look at what people in the UK pay for ala carte sports and that's basically just local soccer with little to watch in the summer.

ESPN holds the rights to most of what Americans want to watch and now they are adding regional rights.

Suspect ESPN is going to be fine.

You are probably right but I'm still rooting for their demise.
I won't forgive ESPN for what they did to my school in 1996 by colluding and creating the BCS/Cartel etc. That destroyed ECU's momentum and they've been actively fighting against us with their false narrative for 20 years. So I'm fighting against them.

Without derailing the topic, yes, ESPN might be guilty of the things you mentioned but the reason East Carolina did not make the cut in the BCS is due to geography. If ECU was in Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Baltimore, even in Norfolk, the Big East would’ve invited you in the 90s. Just look at how they treated Virginia Tech with FB only membership and the Hokies did not join for all sports until 2001, two years before they announced going to the ACC with Miami (for that reason I never understood the criticism VT got from BE fans for going to the ACC). Heck, just look at Temple. ECU has a rabid fan base, good stadium with a P5 athmosphere, travels well to bowls and has a tradition of beating nearby P5 schools but you’re in the wrong state.

When the 51st State becomes official, ECU will be the flagship school of East Carolina.
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(04-13-2018 12:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 08:59 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 07:35 AM)Psuhockey Wrote:  
(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

I hope you are right. I’m rooting strongly for espn to die an agonizing death.

I think you will be disappointed.

Go look at what people in the UK pay for ala carte sports and that's basically just local soccer with little to watch in the summer.

ESPN holds the rights to most of what Americans want to watch and now they are adding regional rights.

Suspect ESPN is going to be fine.

You are probably right but I'm still rooting for their demise.
I won't forgive ESPN for what they did to my school in 1996 by colluding and creating the BCS/Cartel etc. That destroyed ECU's momentum and they've been actively fighting against us with their false narrative for 20 years. So I'm fighting against them.

The only way E.C.U. can again go on an upward trajectory is by joining a conference that has no other North Carolina school in it, and one where they fit and can compete. Isn't that the AAC?

Fairly or unfairly ESPN simply wasn't going to payout another P caliber amount for a 5th North Carolina school. They would be far better off with two in one conference and one in another which is what they tried to push in 2010 by floating N.C. State as a possibility for the SEC. That way they could fully monetize North Carolina as a state twice utilizing two different conferences and earning everyone more money. But alas we "can't always get what we wan't".

Other than that the only upward path for ECU is to move to a FOX network. There aren't really any conferences totally backed and owned by FOX. So....
It is what it is. Maybe someday when Wake decides not to play football and E.C.U. has grown its attendance and improved its TV draw you would make a great pairing with N.C. State for another conference. Until then your piss and vinegar is frequently mis-spewed.
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(04-12-2018 08:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  Its been obvious the conference network model, which drove the last round of realignment, is dying. But it seemed likely to peter out slowly. This could indicate it could happen much more quickly than I expected.

2020s may be time to think alliances instead of more expansion.

The conference network model is not dying, just changing its revenue stream. Streaming is essentially killing bundling. So the BTN will have to go direct to consumer at a larger price to make up for the lost of cable money bundling from people who don’t want their product. It will eventually happen to all conference networks and essentially kill of espn at some point down the line. Espn is just a middle man who’s only value is content from other entities. Once streaming takes over, conferences will just rehold games and go directly to the consumer killing espns value.

What this will eventually do is cause more realignment not less. Conference networks will have to add bigger brands and more alumni to make them profitable and won’t be able to live off of free cable money anymore.

Streaming is a death of the model. The reason the model drove realignment was because conferences and ESPN and Fox could get people who never watched the product to pay for it. If its dropped from the standard packages, it kills the massive revenue stream that make Maryland, Rutgers and Missouri logical additions.
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(04-12-2018 04:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  This could be a wake up call for the P5 who owns a conference tv networks. The Big 10 will lose out of money which will deflate their tv value in a few years. I wonder how many cable providers refuse to take the ACC network? Could the SEC Network and Longhorn network lose out as well?

The SEC Network has one thing going for it - where it is, people want it, and if people want it, it's not being dropped.
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