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(04-25-2018 02:03 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  
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(04-25-2018 10:18 AM)monarx Wrote:  Cincy, Memphis and UConn are strange ones because their basketball programs are so much better than the rest of the AAC. They really don't fit in that conference. If you leave them out, ODU would do well to schedule any of the rest of the AAC because those teams will automatically have a higher RPI than UMES etc simply by playing those top three (and WSU). We should be scheduling as many AAC, A10, MVC teams as possible, with a few OVC, SBC, MEAC, CAA thrown in.

What makes you think they're not? Scheduling isn't like going to the supermarket and picking out what you want; both teams need to be equally interested and they have to agree on the terms of the games. ODU routinely plays multiple A-10 teams every year and will have at least three this coming season (VCU, Richmond, St. Joseph's). Just because every game isn't tailor-made for ESPN doesn't mean they're not trying to construct a good schedule.

And people keep pointing to UMES (or similar opponents) as being beneath ODU and/or a useless game. Well last year UMES played, among others, Maryland, Georgetown, St. Bonaventure, Virginia Tech, Creighton and Iowa State. And yet somehow they manage to overcome the indignity of playing them to still be considered strong basketball programs.

Schools like UMES serve a purpose in the early part of the season for stronger programs. Backups get more run. Coaches experiment with lineups and defenses. Fans get an easy win. Pretty much everybody plays bodybag games. That's the nature of the beast. And yet every time a game that doesn't meet our lofty approval gets scheduled, some people around here throw temper tantrums about how ODU doesn't care about the quality of the program and that it's not showing ambition or that it's living off low-hanging fruit.

The funny thing is that despite the wailing and gnashing of teeth that traditionally accompany the release of the basketball schedule, ODU usually has one of the better OOCs in CUSA OR the mighty and sacrosanct CAA.

The schools you mentioned that also play UMES are able to absorb the rpi hit because they play tough, respected teams in conference. We play too many teams comparable to UMES in conference to have that luxury. Of course, all of this is moot until we can beat MTSU and WKU.

ODU played four games over which people wrung (wranged? wringed?) their hands: Fairfield (late sub for the fallen-through St. Bonaventure deal), Norfolk State (cross-town thing that may or may not be a thing going forward), Bowling Green (which isn't actually a low-major being in the MAC, they just sucked this year) and the mighty marauders of Princess Anne, Maryland. The way people go about you'd think that they played nothing but garbage in the OOC, but my guess is people are really upset that ODU didn't have a sexy game on the schedule (it also didn't help that VCU and Richmond went titties up last season and none of the CAA opponents did squat).

This notion that ODU (or ANYONE) is going to play most if not all of their 13 OOC games against teams with double-digit RPIs is not reasonable. Unless you're Texas Southern and you're willing to crater your home schedule to play-for-pay and see the world.

ODU's Schedule sucked last year, period. (Was Towson or Dayton our best win? I forget.)

Forget having all of our schedule against double-digit RPIs. I don't think we had any. 2 or 3 would be nice.

Granted, we don't always know how particular teams are going to perform year after year, but we pretty much know who is not going to.

Last year's schedule would have been a lot better had a) VCU or Richmond not had such down years, b) the St. Bonaventure game taken place as planned, and/or c) ODU beat Temple in Charleston and got to play at least one and possibly both of Clemson and Auburn.

Most of last year's games were against either regional opponents with some history or programs that (usually) are respectable, with the rest being the aforementioned tomato cans.

This season, with St. Joe's confirmed, at least that's an encouraging start. Though Richmond appears to be turning into a bona fide toilet fire.
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(05-08-2018 06:10 PM)odu09 Wrote:  UVA refuses to play ODU.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...343a8.html

This is also interesting:

Quote:ODU will play in the Paradise Jam, where Kansas State, Missouri and Oregon State are in the field, and will no longer schedule guarantee home games against low-RPI schools. Word is that a road game with Syracuse may also be in the works.

An interesting one-two: willing to play major programs in body-bag games while no longer scheduling those games against low-majors. RIP in peace, UMES.

There has to be something else to the U.Va not playing ODU issue. It's probably not reasonable to expect home-and-homes like VCU got, but for crying out loud, if they're willing to play George Mason and JMU, why NOT ODU? It's a peculiar exclusion on the surface.
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The P5 BS is absolutely ruining college athletics. I still care, but I'm starting to lose interest... not in ODU but in college sports altogether. And its directly related to this P5 separation crap.
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I saw that earlier today and it seems weird. I am curious if there is something deeper to it. The system really does suck for us.

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(05-08-2018 06:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 06:10 PM)odu09 Wrote:  UVA refuses to play ODU.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...343a8.html

This is also interesting:

Quote:ODU will play in the Paradise Jam, where Kansas State, Missouri and Oregon State are in the field, and will no longer schedule guarantee home games against low-RPI schools. Word is that a road game with Syracuse may also be in the works.

An interesting one-two: willing to play major programs in body-bag games while no longer scheduling those games against low-majors. RIP in peace, UMES.

There has to be something else to the U.Va not playing ODU issue. It's probably not reasonable to expect home-and-homes like VCU got, but for crying out loud, if they're willing to play George Mason and JMU, why NOT ODU? It's a peculiar exclusion on the surface.

They are scared to lose on their home court against lowly odu to a former coach and one of their former best players. And their baseball team will only play at harbour park when they come to Norfolk. Wouldn’t dare play on our lowly campus.

Their denial of our offer to play a ‘one and done’ after accepting verbally is cowardly. Plain and simple.
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(05-08-2018 06:10 PM)odu09 Wrote:  UVA refuses to play ODU.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...343a8.html
Something is in the works for a road game at Syracuse. Finally some good news.

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UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.
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(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.
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Team - RPI Rank - Season Record (2017-18)

ODU - 74 - 25-7
VCU - 136 - 18-15
George Mason - 198 - 16-17
JMU - 273 - 10-23

Richmond - 178 - 12-20

The only think I can grasp at is that currently, ODU is the strongest of the other VA teams, UVA's strength of schedule is always strong enough that playing a couple of teams with RPIs from 136 to 273 is not a matter of concern, and the risk of a loss against ODU is judged to be more problematic than against any of the other four -- ergo, play them and not us.
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We fit into a very small (maybe just one) list of teams in the state that they could actually lose too and be embarrassed by it. GMU isn't going to beat them, neither is JMU, and a VCU loss isn't embarrassing. Our profile sucks right now, but people who know what's really going on know we are good enough to steal one from a good team.

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(05-08-2018 07:46 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 06:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 06:10 PM)odu09 Wrote:  UVA refuses to play ODU.

https://pilotonline.com/sports/columnist...343a8.html

This is also interesting:

Quote:ODU will play in the Paradise Jam, where Kansas State, Missouri and Oregon State are in the field, and will no longer schedule guarantee home games against low-RPI schools. Word is that a road game with Syracuse may also be in the works.

An interesting one-two: willing to play major programs in body-bag games while no longer scheduling those games against low-majors. RIP in peace, UMES.

There has to be something else to the U.Va not playing ODU issue. It's probably not reasonable to expect home-and-homes like VCU got, but for crying out loud, if they're willing to play George Mason and JMU, why NOT ODU? It's a peculiar exclusion on the surface.

They are scared to lose on their home court against lowly odu to a former coach and one of their former best players. And their baseball team will only play at harbour park when they come to Norfolk. Wouldn’t dare play on our lowly campus.

Their denial of our offer to play a ‘one and done’ after accepting verbally is cowardly. Plain and simple.

They won’t have the chance to do that after next year.
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(05-08-2018 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Because VCU has a higher ceiling than ODU and a loss to them isn't necessarily a resume killer (in most years). Last year was a down year for them, we all know it.
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(05-09-2018 05:06 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Because VCU has a higher ceiling than ODU and a loss to them isn't necessarily a resume killer (in most years). Last year was a down year for them, we all know it.

Its yet to be seen I know, but I think the beginning of their down years is about to continue as long as Rhoades is their leader. Dont think hes the caliber of coach/recruiter they're used to but if he recruits well under the VCU brand it wont matter how good of a coach he is, just like Shaka IMO.

I dont care if they ever improve either.
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(05-08-2018 09:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We fit into a very small (maybe just one) list of teams in the state that they could actually lose too and be embarrassed by it. GMU isn't going to beat them, neither is JMU, and a VCU loss isn't embarrassing. Our profile sucks right now, but people who know what's really going on know we are good enough to steal one from a good team.

This hits the nail on the head. The last time we played Zima St. it took the Governor to make it happen. That game was super fun. I want to play them again. I would be fine with making a trip up 64 to their Ted knock off or the Richmond Coliseum again.
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(05-08-2018 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Governor's classic. ODU 63, UVA 61.
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(05-09-2018 07:16 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Governor's classic. ODU 63, UVA 61.

This is my thinking. The last time we played they were “forced” to by the Governor’s Classic. It was our worst team and they were in the hunt for an NCAA bid. It stopped right there. 5-25 season and guess who one of the 5 was?
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The UVA thing is a non-story to me. They are a very good program now since Bennett has his system in place, but that should have NO impact on who ODU is and what our ceiling is. We should treat it just like football and aggressively find programs to play.

And BTW, UVA is only relevant as long as he stays there. Perhaps he makes it a career, but that program and its choices should NEVER have an impact on who we are. ODU's greatest days hardly included any impact from playing UVA. We've beaten them about 1 out of every 4 times we've met and they've always had the advantage of wealth and facilities.

Blaine would've solved this issue by cold calling other programs en masse and that is what this staff needs to do as well.
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(05-09-2018 07:16 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Governor's classic. ODU 63, UVA 61.

But if that's an issue, wouldn't UVa. want revenge for screwing up their NCAA chances? Plus that was a veritable lifetime ago in college basketball years.

(05-08-2018 09:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We fit into a very small (maybe just one) list of teams in the state that they could actually lose too and be embarrassed by it. GMU isn't going to beat them, neither is JMU, and a VCU loss isn't embarrassing. Our profile sucks right now, but people who know what's really going on know we are good enough to steal one from a good team.

Perhaps, but that's one hell of a needle they're trying to thread. They have also done a home-and-home with GW and an effective home-and-home (road game at the Hornets' arena) with Davidson, both programs in ODU's neighborhood. It's one thing for Tech to big-time schools (even if they have no real cause to), but Virginia has been surprisingly open about scheduling mid-major programs — except ODU.
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(05-09-2018 09:21 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
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(05-08-2018 08:54 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 08:44 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  UVA refusing to play ODU is one thing. But refusing to play a one and done speaks volumes. Cowardly uva is scared of losing to ODU. Just like when ODU played a 5 game run with VATECH. 3 games at Tech and 2 at ODU. ODU wins 4 out of 5. Seth (idiot) Greenberg said after that series " we will never do that again " and to my knowledge we haven't played tech since. So in the future remember uva is really just an extension of vatech...both cowards but one wears a preppy little tie. Hey if you don't believe me ask UMBC.

That's what I don't get. If they're scared of losing to ODU, then why would they play two home-and-homes against VCU, especially after VCU beat them at their place to start the first one? If they're scared of losing to a lesser team, why are they scheduling JMU and George Mason at all, much less going to their place? It couldn't be the "coach won't play his former assistants thing" because Tony Bennett has no connection to anyone at ODU. I know JJ's tenure didn't end the way they wanted but unless he ate babies and crapped them out on the graves of war veterans, I can't imagine it's because of burnt bridges.

It's weird af. VT at least is consistent in their unwillingness to play many state teams. UVa seems as though they're willing to play any Virginia school except ODU, and I can't for the life of me figure out why.

Governor's classic. ODU 63, UVA 61.

But if that's an issue, wouldn't UVa. want revenge for screwing up their NCAA chances? Plus that was a veritable lifetime ago in college basketball years.

(05-08-2018 09:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  We fit into a very small (maybe just one) list of teams in the state that they could actually lose too and be embarrassed by it. GMU isn't going to beat them, neither is JMU, and a VCU loss isn't embarrassing. Our profile sucks right now, but people who know what's really going on know we are good enough to steal one from a good team.

Perhaps, but that's one hell of a needle they're trying to thread. They have also done a home-and-home with GW and an effective home-and-home (road game at the Hornets' arena) with Davidson, both programs in ODU's neighborhood. It's one thing for Tech to big-time schools (even if they have no real cause to), but Virginia has been surprisingly open about scheduling mid-major programs — except ODU.

I have mentioned that some of our fans have a skewed perception of what we look like to an outsider at this point in time, you have just demonstrated that. We are nowhere near Davidson's "neighborhood", and GW has one huge advantage over us in perception, even if they are typically not better than us on the court, they are in the A10. Our profile is terrible right now, and so many just don't seem to get what damage the mediocrity of the JJ era has done to our profile as a program.
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