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(05-30-2018 01:16 PM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Just another reason why --

Obviously ODU's 96 wins don't mean the same thing as Wisconsin's 100 or Louisville's 97 and the longer they go without an NCAA trip, the emptier an accomplishment that's going to look, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't promote it. They're PR, they're not going to make themselves look worse than they have to. But damn, let's hope they have something else to crow about this time next year other than wins.

I like how they chose those schools to compare ourselves to. Haven't all but MTSU been to the final four in the last 4 years?

Unfortunately, we aren't faring too well in games that actually matter.

Can't beat W&M, VCU, MTSU, or any Top 50 programs, and struggle to handle Marshall and UTSA.

I don't know the ins and outs of who calls the shots in our program, but I don't think JJ survives much longer without a trip to the dance, winning percentages be hanged.

I win EVERY race against my 2 year old grandson. That doesn't mean I'm fast. The point being, you have to consider your competition when bragging about your wins.

(05-30-2018 03:49 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I win EVERY race against my 2 year old grandson. That doesn't mean I'm fast. The point being, you have to consider your competition when bragging about your wins.

So, you think next time the school should put caveats next to recruiting material?


96-40*

*Some of these wins are against teams that are not good.

(05-30-2018 04:28 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 03:49 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I win EVERY race against my 2 year old grandson. That doesn't mean I'm fast. The point being, you have to consider your competition when bragging about your wins.

So, you think next time the school should put caveats next to recruiting material?


96-40*

*Some of these wins are against teams that are not good.

Don't be obtuse. You understand the point. ODU is parsing stats because they can't brag about the truly meaningful ones. You know...like actually participating in the NCAA's.

But you go ahead and be a total wins cheerleader. If curb-stomping the likes of UMES and Longwood gets you motivated, you and your 72 sycophantic buddies will have a grand ole time at the Ted.

(05-30-2018 07:12 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 04:28 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-30-2018 03:49 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I win EVERY race against my 2 year old grandson. That doesn't mean I'm fast. The point being, you have to consider your competition when bragging about your wins.

So, you think next time the school should put caveats next to recruiting material?


96-40*

*Some of these wins are against teams that are not good.

Don't be obtuse. You understand the point. ODU is parsing stats because they can't brag about the truly meaningful ones. You know...like actually participating in the NCAA's.

But you go ahead and be a total wins cheerleader. If curb-stomping the likes of UMES and Longwood gets you motivated, you and your 72 sycophantic buddies will have a grand ole time at the Ted.

Haha

That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

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(05-31-2018 06:34 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

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I get the whole advertising for your school but lets do it without comparing ourselves to others because in the end, its cheesy as hell.

Advertise the school, promote for the school, build up your school but do put us beside a bunch of power 5's to make it seem like we're on par because we sure as **** are not.

Thats my only point. Id love to see more of the schools self promoting but not comparing to other power 5 institutions because the **** doesnt stick against those guys.

I get that and that's your opinion. Others would say you are known by the company you keep and if thats the joneses we're striving to be, do it. The entire aac is claiming and repeating p6. We all make fun of it but it's a great promotions move.

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PR is great, but in order to build a fanbase, you have to have memorable wins, which is something that we really haven't had in the JJ era.

While the lack of NCAA appearances is frustrating, the issue for me goes deeper than that. When is the last time ODU won a basketball game that would be considered memorable, much less epic?

Maybe the Murray State game with Freeman's shot in the NIT?
The LSU win?
The last VCU win (man that seems a long time ago)?
The wins at UTEP and Marshall over the last two years to clinch the #3 seed were important at the time, but didn't amount to much in the end.

I've personally recruited young fans for the Monarchs last decade because they can remember the big wins at home and the CAA Tournament wins. Fans younger than 25 probably haven't experienced those types of wins.

Nothing will help PR more than a conference title and/or NCAA Tournament appearances, and real college basketball fans understand that. But in addition to that, we need to have some epic regular season wins where the younger fans can look back and say, "I was there". That's something that has been lacking among those 96 wins.

(05-31-2018 07:02 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  I get that and that's your opinion. Others would say you are known by the company you keep and if thats the joneses we're striving to be, do it. The entire aac is claiming and repeating p6. We all make fun of it but it's a great promotions move.

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I enjoyed your first analogy. This one I am not a fan of. I'd rather not have the AAC mindset of repeating P6 over and over until we become so delusional that we believe it to be true. I don't want us to repeat that we are winners over and over convincing ourselves that it's true, when in reality the only benchmark that matters has yet to be met with the current staff.

(05-31-2018 06:34 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

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People have different personalities and as sports fans, they are just debbie downers. It doesn't matter how good or bad the team, the attitude never changes. There is always something just not good enough.

In reality, no one cares at all about that promotional clip. Maybe a recruit will see it and see ODU's name and be impressed, who knows. But, of course a portion of our fanbase is personally offended by the material.....

(05-31-2018 08:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 06:34 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

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People have different personalities and as sports fans, they are just debbie downers. It doesn't matter how good or bad the team, the attitude never changes. There is always something just not good enough.

In reality, no one cares at all about that promotional clip. Maybe a recruit will see it and see ODU's name and be impressed, who knows. But, of course a portion of our fanbase is personally offended by the material.....

I don't see anyone being offended. More like .

But hey, promote what you have. We just need to have more to promote.

I think its fine for an attempt at improving public perception. I just hope the staff and admin aren't sitting back believing that hype and thinking "dang, we're doing a great job", because all of us in the know realize thats not the case... yet.

(05-31-2018 08:21 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 08:14 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 06:34 AM)bit_9 Wrote:  That's called pr. One of the things we complained the school didn't so a good job of. We all on this forum understand the context of those stats so there isn't a need, imo, to discredit them. We all know the situation and the short comings. But at the end of the day we our ambassador's of our school in public. This is a theme in all facets of life right now. I deal with it at work. If you're a leader in the business you need to be on the same team. I guess it just sucks when I see the achool try to promote and our own fans tear it down right in front of recruits in the public.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

People have different personalities and as sports fans, they are just debbie downers. It doesn't matter how good or bad the team, the attitude never changes. There is always something just not good enough.

In reality, no one cares at all about that promotional clip. Maybe a recruit will see it and see ODU's name and be impressed, who knows. But, of course a portion of our fanbase is personally offended by the material.....

I don't see anyone being offended. More like .

But hey, promote what you have. We just need to have more to promote.

Very on point. One major upset > multiple cupcake wins.

Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

(05-31-2018 08:46 AM)monarx Wrote:  I think its fine for an attempt at improving public perception. I just hope the staff and admin aren't sitting back believing that hype and thinking "dang, we're doing a great job", because all of us in the know realize thats not the case... yet.

They are not, but they are going to continue to promote the programs with whatever materials they have. Hopefully there are great wins in the future (for all sports) so that the marketing dept has even more to work with.

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

(05-31-2018 02:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-31-2018 11:52 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote:  Finishing 2nd in a 14-team conference and Overall: 25 - 7 C-USA: 15 - 3
No one is on the hot seat, you guys are smarter than that.

Finishing 2nd in the 15th best conference is not something I would brag about. Not to mention 2nd place doesn't mean anything when you can't beat team #3 when it matters most.

You should seriously reconsider insulting anyone's intelligence.

They have a point though. How many coaches have been fired after a 25-7 season with the season ending due to a loss to a team that was a top 60 team?