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(03-29-2018 06:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 06:29 PM)N2theBlue Wrote:  AS long as Wood is in control, it doesnt matter if Jeff is fired, retires or just sails off into the sunset. It's just gonna be more of the same.

Exactly, as long as Wood is here, Jeff is as good as we are going to do. Not a fan, but firing him right now would be a disaster.

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I don't think firing him would be a disaster. It would send a message that ODU deserves better than mediocrity. Set the bar high, this program deserves to be in the NCAA's and JJ just can't get it done.

(03-29-2018 06:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 06:29 PM)N2theBlue Wrote:  AS long as Wood is in control, it doesnt matter if Jeff is fired, retires or just sails off into the sunset. It's just gonna be more of the same.

Exactly, as long as Wood is here, Jeff is as good as we are going to do. Not a fan, but firing him right now would be a disaster.

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We already have a disaster. We have 3 returning frontcourt players. BJ,Carver,andPilavios. Carver can only play well enough to give someone a quick breather and Pilavios will never play period. He should transfer to a weak D2 program if he ever wants to play. We need help in a big way. We need size. The freshmen coming in are going to have to play. This is a direct result of poor recruiting the first few years JJ was here. Now we are paying the price.

(03-29-2018 08:19 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 06:29 PM)N2theBlue Wrote:  AS long as Wood is in control, it doesnt matter if Jeff is fired, retires or just sails off into the sunset. It's just gonna be more of the same.

Exactly, as long as Wood is here, Jeff is as good as we are going to do. Not a fan, but firing him right now would be a disaster.

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We already have a disaster. We have 3 returning frontcourt players. BJ,Carver,andPilavios. Carver can only play well enough to give someone a quick breather and Pilavios will never play period. He should transfer to a weak D2 program if he ever wants to play. We need help in a big way. We need size. The freshmen coming in are going to have to play. This is a direct result of poor recruiting the first few years JJ was here. Now we are paying the price.

Unless he gets a grad transfer or 2, which would buy Reece, Ekizpe, (possibly Vaughan) another year of development. Im confident our roster is not set in stone right now.

Reece has the talent to play day 1 without a doubt. Ekizpe may have the body to do so, but I think he's a developmental guy that turns into a good player a la Hassell.

Giles, do you think Reece can start day 1? Or just give meaningful minutes?

(03-29-2018 08:19 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 06:29 PM)N2theBlue Wrote:  AS long as Wood is in control, it doesnt matter if Jeff is fired, retires or just sails off into the sunset. It's just gonna be more of the same.

Exactly, as long as Wood is here, Jeff is as good as we are going to do. Not a fan, but firing him right now would be a disaster.

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We already have a disaster. We have 3 returning frontcourt players. BJ,Carver,andPilavios. Carver can only play well enough to give someone a quick breather and Pilavios will never play period. He should transfer to a weak D2 program if he ever wants to play. We need help in a big way. We need size. The freshmen coming in are going to have to play. This is a direct result of poor recruiting the first few years JJ was here. Now we are paying the price.

It is the same story every year. He'll get a grad transfer or two for a bandaid and we'll win 19-24 games again. I hate it. Problem is, if you bring someone else in at Jeff's salary or lower (probably a Dennis Felton or Paul Hewitt), we could very well end up falling into the bottom half, which will be one hell of a hole for the next AD to climb out of. Look at Charlotte. They had the same situation with a garbage AD that fired Bobby Lutz how long ago? They have never recovered and their program was in better shape than ours. I want Wood gone first. Then we can talk about Jeff.

If MTSU and Charlotte could hired top young guys, there is now reason to believe that we could not do the same.

(03-29-2018 08:40 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If MTSU and Charlotte could hired top young guys, there is now reason to believe that we could not do the same.

There certainly is a reason. His name is Wood Selig.

(03-29-2018 08:37 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:19 AM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 06:43 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-28-2018 06:29 PM)N2theBlue Wrote:  AS long as Wood is in control, it doesnt matter if Jeff is fired, retires or just sails off into the sunset. It's just gonna be more of the same.

Exactly, as long as Wood is here, Jeff is as good as we are going to do. Not a fan, but firing him right now would be a disaster.

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We already have a disaster. We have 3 returning frontcourt players. BJ,Carver,andPilavios. Carver can only play well enough to give someone a quick breather and Pilavios will never play period. He should transfer to a weak D2 program if he ever wants to play. We need help in a big way. We need size. The freshmen coming in are going to have to play. This is a direct result of poor recruiting the first few years JJ was here. Now we are paying the price.

It is the same story every year. He'll get a grad transfer or two for a bandaid and we'll win 19-24 games again. I hate it. Problem is, if you bring someone else in at Jeff's salary or lower (probably a Dennis Felton or Paul Hewitt), we could very well end up falling into the bottom half, which will be one hell of a hole for the next AD to climb out of. Look at Charlotte. They had the same situation with a garbage AD that fired Bobby Lutz how long ago? They have never recovered and their program was in better shape than ours. I want Wood gone first. Then we can talk about Jeff.

Jeff needs two grad transfer bigs or else we are in trouble. He needed one before Porter transferred. (Maybe Reece can be a starter, but I'm not counting on a freshman to be a difference maker.)

I like Aaron Carver, but he's a fill in guy. If he's seeing major minutes, then we have no shot at an NCAA bid, which is the only acceptable outcome for 2018-19.

(03-29-2018 08:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:40 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If MTSU and Charlotte could hired top young guys, there is now reason to believe that we could not do the same.

There certainly is a reason. His name is Wood Selig.

How does the Nikki hire play into that assumption?

(03-29-2018 08:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:40 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If MTSU and Charlotte could hired top young guys, there is now reason to believe that we could not do the same.

There certainly is a reason. His name is Wood Selig.

How does the Nikki hire play into that assumption?

I know I am going to catch some crap for this one... but technically Nikki hasn't really done anything yet. Not that we were expecting it. But we really can't call it a slam dunk hire until we see the results, not just the potential*

*registered trademark of FAU

(03-29-2018 08:55 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:40 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If MTSU and Charlotte could hired top young guys, there is now reason to believe that we could not do the same.

There certainly is a reason. His name is Wood Selig.

How does the Nikki hire play into that assumption?

I know I am going to catch some crap for this one... but technically Nikki hasn't really done anything yet. Not that we were expecting it. But we really can't call it a slam dunk hire until we see the results, not just the potential*

*registered trademark of FAU

And neither have the Charlotte and MT hires cited by OP.

Ever thinks we will hire a retread because of Wood. Nikki is no retread. So the question remains, how does the Nikki hire apply to the assumption that Wood won't hire an up-and-coming coach?

The fact is, we can only evaluate our roster as it stands right now. As of right now, we are in big big trouble. That "wait till next year" we always say, is actually 2 more years out at this point. Every single year something happens to our roster that extends that timeline. I have always been someone that believes in looking at the future of the roster to determine the standing of the program. I don't like looking at the right now, because when the right now is over, we are back wondering "WTF do we do now?" I look at the future of this roster and think that we are in really good shape. In 2 years our roster will look like this:

Wade
Hueitt?????
Godwin
Kithcart
Ezipke
Reece
Green

Anyone that says that isn't a really good core to be hopeful about, is kidding themselves. The problem is, we have no clue how many of these guys will be on the roster in 2 years. I am so sick of having to go back and look at what could've been. Enough is enough. You either maintain your roster and make it happen or you need to GTFO.

(03-29-2018 10:04 AM)757ODU Wrote:  The fact is, we can only evaluate our roster as it stands right now. As of right now, we are in big big trouble. That "wait till next year" we always say, is actually 2 more years out at this point. Every single year something happens to our roster that extends that timeline. I have always been someone that believes in looking at the future of the roster to determine the standing of the program. I don't like looking at the right now, because when the right now is over, we are back wondering "WTF do we do now?" I look at the future of this roster and think that we are in really good shape. In 2 years our roster will look like this:

Wade
Hueitt?????
Godwin
Kithcart
Ezipke
Reece
Green

Anyone that says that isn't a really good core to be hopeful about, is kidding themselves. The problem is, we have no clue how many of these guys will be on the roster in 2 years. I am so sick of having to go back and look at what could've been. Enough is enough. You either maintain your roster and make it happen or you need to GTFO.

I agree that those players form a great core for the future. The problem is, something always happens and theres always some excuse with JJ. Make it happen in the 18/19 season or find someone that will provide results and not excuses. At some point you have to deliver.

(03-29-2018 10:04 AM)757ODU Wrote:  The fact is, we can only evaluate our roster as it stands right now. As of right now, we are in big big trouble. That "wait till next year" we always say, is actually 2 more years out at this point. Every single year something happens to our roster that extends that timeline. I have always been someone that believes in looking at the future of the roster to determine the standing of the program. I don't like looking at the right now, because when the right now is over, we are back wondering "WTF do we do now?" I look at the future of this roster and think that we are in really good shape. In 2 years our roster will look like this:

Wade
Hueitt?????
Godwin
Kithcart
Ezipke
Reece
Green

Anyone that says that isn't a really good core to be hopeful about, is kidding themselves. The problem is, we have no clue how many of these guys will be on the roster in 2 years. I am so sick of having to go back and look at what could've been. Enough is enough. You either maintain your roster and make it happen or you need to GTFO.

We also have no idea how good any of these players really are, except for Green. Hard to judge based on names and stars alone.

(03-29-2018 10:30 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 10:04 AM)757ODU Wrote:  The fact is, we can only evaluate our roster as it stands right now. As of right now, we are in big big trouble. That "wait till next year" we always say, is actually 2 more years out at this point. Every single year something happens to our roster that extends that timeline. I have always been someone that believes in looking at the future of the roster to determine the standing of the program. I don't like looking at the right now, because when the right now is over, we are back wondering "WTF do we do now?" I look at the future of this roster and think that we are in really good shape. In 2 years our roster will look like this:

Wade
Hueitt?????
Godwin
Kithcart
Ezipke
Reece
Green

Anyone that says that isn't a really good core to be hopeful about, is kidding themselves. The problem is, we have no clue how many of these guys will be on the roster in 2 years. I am so sick of having to go back and look at what could've been. Enough is enough. You either maintain your roster and make it happen or you need to GTFO.

We also have no idea how good any of these players really are, except for Green. Hard to judge based on names and stars alone.

You are 100% correct about that. Unfortunately it's all we have. If I am evaluating based on the information given, I would say we are in good shape for the future. However, JJ will not keep these players on the roster until then. I am only saying that based on the past and present.

(03-29-2018 08:58 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:55 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:40 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If MTSU and Charlotte could hired top young guys, there is now reason to believe that we could not do the same.

There certainly is a reason. His name is Wood Selig.

How does the Nikki hire play into that assumption?

I know I am going to catch some crap for this one... but technically Nikki hasn't really done anything yet. Not that we were expecting it. But we really can't call it a slam dunk hire until we see the results, not just the potential*

*registered trademark of FAU

And neither have the Charlotte and MT hires cited by OP.

Ever thinks we will hire a retread because of Wood. Nikki is no retread. So the question remains, how does the Nikki hire apply to the assumption that Wood won't hire an up-and-coming coach?

We won't know for a few years as she just completed year #1 but there is always the "blind squirrel" theory as far as Wood hiring coaches.

Looks like ECU wasn't smart enough to hire LeVelle Moton. Going with a retread; Lutz, Dooley or Lurch.

(03-29-2018 11:54 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Looks like ECU wasn't smart enough to hire LeVelle Moton. Going with a retread; Lutz, Dooley or Lurch.

Lutz looks like a decent option. I wouldn't have said that when he left Charlotte, but hindsight reflects a lot more kindly on his tenure there.

Well, based on JJ's track record, no freshman, no matter how darn good he is, is going to play his first year. JJ had more than ample time to prepare our so call excellent freshman this year to play in meaningful games. We so desperately needed them. He did nothing to prepare them. Okay, maybe they weren't quite ready, but you give them playing time to get them ready as soon as possible. So, anyone hoping we have big men coming in next year and playing right out of the gate is smoking some excellent weed. It ain't going to happen. That is not who he is.... sadly but true.

Based on his article about Porter’s transfer (and other articles as well), It’s pretty obvious to me that Harry reads these boards regularly. So Harry, do us a favor and chime in here. Do you think Jones is getting it done or at least is on the right track?

If not,how about a column calling him out, or at least saying the fans are getting restless? Maybe that would be enough to warm up his seat and get Wood off the sidelines. Sometimes a little public pressure can do wonders.