(02-26-2018 09:30 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,

I don't think the Liberty wants to give up the SEC or B12. I have a feeling there will not that drastic of changes from the current line-up. Only thing I could see there being more ACC/B10 type of deals like the Jacksonville/Nashville bowl games with other conferences. That helps with different locations.

There is no logical reason on earth why the Liberty Bowl would dump the Big 12 or SEC for the AAC. None.

(02-28-2018 01:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 09:30 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,

I don't think the Liberty wants to give up the SEC or B12. I have a feeling there will not that drastic of changes from the current line-up. Only thing I could see there being more ACC/B10 type of deals like the Jacksonville/Nashville bowl games with other conferences. That helps with different locations.

There is no logical reason on earth why the Liberty Bowl would dump the Big 12 or SEC for the AAC. None.

Exactly. Thats why I continue to say the AAC bowl picture will improve--but only incrementally. The best we can do is pick up a couple of full time ties to G5 vs P5 bowls. Id target the Armed Forces Bowl and the Heart of Dallas Bowl. Id also work to get a fulltime ACC tie in St Pete. If you want to shoot for the moon, maybe try to work out some sort of rotating tie for the AAC champ (or runner up) to a pool of P5 bowls. In other words, maybe something where the AAC champ has a one year tie to 6 different bowls (the Liberty might could be part of the pool). Something like that might be possible...but its probably a long shot.

(02-27-2018 12:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 11:05 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Watch for Las Vegas to dump the Mountain West for another P5 to join the Pac-12. It's likely to be the B1G of BXII, but I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC, especially with the new stadium coming on to take that slot.

The SEC really doesn't travel well west. They literally have a full slate of bowls within their own geographic footprint, so there's no real desire for them to go any further west than Texas. The Midwestern Big Ten and Big 12 schools, on the other hand, have disproportionately large alumni bases in Las Vegas and those Midwestern markets also disproportionately send a lot of vacationers to Vegas considering the distance and population sizes. The Vegas location is tailor-made for a Pac-12 vs. Big Ten or Big 12 matchup. However, the main hitch is that both the Big Ten and Big 12 will almost certainly insist upon the Vegas bowl moving to a post-Christmas date (which drives up the cost of attending that bowl significantly). They're just not willing to have a pre-Christmas bowl in the way that the Pac-12 has done because the Big Ten and Big 12 have a lot more bowl options coast-to-coast with prime dates.

And may be harder to extract sponsor dollars because the greater interest is filling the empty hotel room over being able to charge more for one that will be filled anyway, especially in a city where the owners of most of the hotel space are already capturing most of the visitors tourist dollars for hotels and shows oh and make little off their casinos as well.

My guess would be that ACC will ditch Independence for Birmingham. The ACC doesn't travel well at all to Shreveport generally.

The question then becomes will SEC stick with Shreveport or go somewhere else like HOD?

(02-28-2018 03:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be that ACC will ditch Independence for Birmingham. The ACC doesn't travel well at all to Shreveport generally.

The question then becomes will SEC stick with Shreveport or go somewhere else like HOD?

Bowls are about TV money first, attendance 2nd. More ACC fans go to Indy than Detroit. I still think Detroit relocates to a new city or the ACC moves to another bowl. Would like to see HOD or Fosters replace Detroit, if Detroit Bowl still exists.

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 03:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be that ACC will ditch Independence for Birmingham. The ACC doesn't travel well at all to Shreveport generally.

The question then becomes will SEC stick with Shreveport or go somewhere else like HOD?

Bowls are about TV money first, attendance 2nd. More ACC fans go to Indy than Detroit. I still think Detroit relocates to a new city or the ACC moves to another bowl. Would like to see HOD or Fosters replace Detroit, if Detroit Bowl still exists.

Birmingham is owned by ESPN, HOD is owned by ESPN. Shreveport is not. I think Shreveport needs to start thinking G5 because the decision may get made for them.

(02-28-2018 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 03:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be that ACC will ditch Independence for Birmingham. The ACC doesn't travel well at all to Shreveport generally.

The question then becomes will SEC stick with Shreveport or go somewhere else like HOD?

Bowls are about TV money first, attendance 2nd. More ACC fans go to Indy than Detroit. I still think Detroit relocates to a new city or the ACC moves to another bowl. Would like to see HOD or Fosters replace Detroit, if Detroit Bowl still exists.

Birmingham is owned by ESPN, HOD is owned by ESPN. Shreveport is not. I think Shreveport needs to start thinking G5 because the decision may get made for them.

The decision will have to made for them. They will never willingly give up a P5 tie. No Bowl does.

The Independence Bowl really does feel like the P5 vs P5 bowl most likely to lose one of their P5 tie ins and I think this a prime place for the AAC to jump in since they have 5 schools within reasonable distance.

I also expect that the AAC will make a hard push to lock in a better bowl in the Dallas area and allow Frisco to become a C-USA vs Sunbelt affair.

Expect the LV Bowl To jump up in the Pac 12 pecking order and for them to secure a P5 opponent. The Big Ten would be great but I don't know that they agree to the early calendar date. The Big 12 or ACC seem much more likely.

The Holiday Bowl is likely to fall down the Pac 12 pecking order and I think it will become the home of any non-NY6 MWC champ.

It'll be interesting to see if the bowl in Detroit will be able to secure both the ACC and Big Ten again.

I'm also interested in what happens with the AAC bowls in Florida and if the Popeye's Bowl will continue as is or move back to the states. It seems to me that it's date is too early for most to arrange international travel and attendence has been mediocre. Would FIU make a better host and C-USA could have an annual tie in?

(02-28-2018 01:43 PM)TripleA Wrote:  There is no logical reason on earth why the Liberty Bowl would dump the Big 12 or SEC for the AAC. None.

Agreed, but I think that Memphis's good attendance showing in this year's LB will mean that when Memphis has a good team and circumstances permit, the LB will angle with the SEC to allow for a Memphis appearance as it did last year.

I think Memphis gained some credibility with the Liberty Bowl that it previously didn't have.

(02-28-2018 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 03:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be that ACC will ditch Independence for Birmingham. The ACC doesn't travel well at all to Shreveport generally.

The question then becomes will SEC stick with Shreveport or go somewhere else like HOD?

Bowls are about TV money first, attendance 2nd. More ACC fans go to Indy than Detroit. I still think Detroit relocates to a new city or the ACC moves to another bowl. Would like to see HOD or Fosters replace Detroit, if Detroit Bowl still exists.

Birmingham is owned by ESPN, HOD is owned by ESPN. Shreveport is not. I think Shreveport needs to start thinking G5 because the decision may get made for them.

Yes because also they are once again limiting the number of bowls a conference can sign to the average number of bowl eligible teams.

On the G5 side in the past it was an every man for itself thing when it came to bowls.

Last cycle there was some coordination to put together a bowl pool within the G5.

Is greater coordination possible this time around after watching how poorly the new playoff system works?

Or will it be back to the every man for himself mentality as each G5 conference strives to be considered the one with the very best bowl lineup?

(03-01-2018 10:12 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  On the G5 side in the past it was an every man for itself thing when it came to bowls.

Last cycle there was some coordination to put together a bowl pool within the G5.

Is greater coordination possible this time around after watching how poorly the new playoff system works?

Or will it be back to the every man for himself mentality as each G5 conference strives to be considered the one with the very best bowl lineup?

Cooperation has to mean the outcome is good for everyone. Cooperation will occur where the goal benefits everyone and no conference would do better on its own. Frankly, I don’t see any way where working on bowls together is going to yield the best result for all 5 G5 conferences.

(03-01-2018 10:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 04:55 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 04:01 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 03:00 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My guess would be that ACC will ditch Independence for Birmingham. The ACC doesn't travel well at all to Shreveport generally.

The question then becomes will SEC stick with Shreveport or go somewhere else like HOD?

Bowls are about TV money first, attendance 2nd. More ACC fans go to Indy than Detroit. I still think Detroit relocates to a new city or the ACC moves to another bowl. Would like to see HOD or Fosters replace Detroit, if Detroit Bowl still exists.

Birmingham is owned by ESPN, HOD is owned by ESPN. Shreveport is not. I think Shreveport needs to start thinking G5 because the decision may get made for them.

Yes because also they are once again limiting the number of bowls a conference can sign to the average number of bowl eligible teams.

Think many will be disappointed when the metrics come out. SEC, ACC and B10 average 10 or more bowls over the past 4 years. ACC for example has averaged 11.25 bowls in the past 4 years but has 9-10 tie-ins depending if they have St. Pete in the Lineup. So in theory the ACC could go to 11 bowls teams based on the four year average in the next line cycle.