What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

We're going to put a good A$$ whipping on you Tuesday!

(02-21-2018 11:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

We're going to put a good A$$ whipping on you Tuesday!

Hehe. Sorry EMU. If it makes you feel any better I'd rather have you guys than BSt or Kst.

You also have to consider market exposure. What does each school bring to the table to expand coverage for the MAC? I'd love to bring Marshall back in, it's not like the CUSA is any better than the MAC. Reigniting the Toledo-Marshall rivalry on a yearly basis would be epic.

I have never understood the readoning behind wanting to kick teams out. All the schools in the MAC have gone through ups and downs so how do decide when to kick them out? Do you base it off of just one sport or a combination of all sports? Then if you kick the teams out that are at the bottom there will be new teams at the bottom next year. There is no conference or sport where all teams finish .500. So you will always have teams on top and teams on the bottom. The difference between the schools is pretty small as is. There are no teams consistently beating Bama or OSU. Hell there isnt a team consistently beating Northwestern or Kentucky. So what qualifies a school being allowed to stay vs a school that should go?

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

My gosh, my gosh, my gosh...

Did you see the score or watch the TOL @ EMU game or the highlights from Tuesday?

https://twitter.com/EMUHoops/status/966365399150485504

I thought TOL 'dragged down the conference Tuesday.'

EMU FB is ascending, having turned the corner...

P.S. The MAC doesn't want Marshall and Marshall doesn't want the MAC. It would be like someone marrying their ex-spouse..

(02-21-2018 11:01 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

We're going to put a good A$$ whipping on you Tuesday!

Hehe. Sorry EMU. If it makes you feel any better I'd rather have you guys than BSt or Kst.

I'm crushed. Ball State isn't going anywhere.

Reach out to the Mo Valley like you want and let us know what their response is.

We could always enforce the mandatory 15,000 attendance 2 year average with actual "butts in seats" rather than tickets sold. However, that may result in all 12 teams getting kicked out, LOL.

If football was the only sport out there then you'd maybe have an argument, but it isn't. Marshall has a pretty crappy athletic program aside from the gridiron, Kent is about the opposite.

That being said, as someone who doesn't believe in expanding to 14 to dilute our TV and CFP money, I do think there's an argument to be had for the sake of competitive play. Adding Marshall (if they were willing) and JMU would perhaps serve us well in something like bowl play, may help us leverage another tie-in. But still I don't think it justifies adding two mouths to feed.

(02-22-2018 08:00 AM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:01 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

We're going to put a good A$$ whipping on you Tuesday!

Hehe. Sorry EMU. If it makes you feel any better I'd rather have you guys than BSt or Kst.

I'm crushed. Ball State isn't going anywhere.

Reach out to the Mo Valley like you want and let us know what their response is.

You guys consistently average under 10k fans for football games, sometimes less than 5k. That is embarrassing to the conference.

Yawn. I'll take "delusions of grandeur" for $800, Alex.

(02-22-2018 04:57 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

My gosh, my gosh, my gosh...

Did you see the score or watch the TOL @ EMU game or the highlights from Tuesday?

https://twitter.com/EMUHoops/status/966365399150485504

I thought TOL 'dragged down the conference Tuesday.'

EMU FB is ascending, having turned the corner...

P.S. The MAC doesn't want Marshall and Marshall doesn't want the MAC. It would be like someone marrying their ex-spouse..

EMU is in a terrible location, they will never get out from under the shadow of the Detroit sports/U of M market.

(02-22-2018 10:44 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:00 AM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:01 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:00 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  [quote='Fthechips' pid='15095877' dateline='1519271736']
What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

We're going to put a good A$$ whipping on you Tuesday!
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Hehe. Sorry EMU. If it makes you feel any better I'd rather have you guys than BSt or Kst.

I'm crushed. Ball State isn't going anywhere.

Reach out to the Mo Valley like you want and let us know what their response is.

You guys consistently average under 10k fans for football games, sometimes less than 5k. That is embarrassing to the conference.

I know! The one thing I hear from fans of other conferences is how well the rest of the MAC crowds seem, especially mid-week games.

And not one game did they have less than 5000.

The guy went to an AAC board to "float the idea of WMU joining" and they pretty much laughed at him. He's really got his finger on the pulse of the other conferences.

(02-22-2018 03:31 AM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I have never understood the readoning behind wanting to kick teams out. All the schools in the MAC have gone through ups and downs so how do decide when to kick them out? Do you base it off of just one sport or a combination of all sports? Then if you kick the teams out that are at the bottom there will be new teams at the bottom next year. There is no conference or sport where all teams finish .500. So you will always have teams on top and teams on the bottom. The difference between the schools is pretty small as is. There are no teams consistently beating Bama or OSU. Hell there isnt a team consistently beating Northwestern or Kentucky. So what qualifies a school being allowed to stay vs a school that should go?

You select schools on a combination of things. School image, sports performance, attendance, media market,and many other things.

In terms of football, I think ball state and Kent st drag the conference down in a big way, they've proven to be decent at basketball. They also are in horrible media markets.

(02-22-2018 10:56 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  The guy went to an AAC board to "float the idea of WMU joining" and they pretty much laughed at him. He's really got his finger on the pulse of the other conferences.

Not last year but previous years you have had crowds less than 5k.

WMU Endowment-386.6 million

EMU Endowment-67.2 million

Ball State Endowment-192.7 million

Kent State Endowment-110.7 million



WMU Bowl appearances- 8(1 New Years six)

EMU Bowl appearances- 2

Ball State Bowl appearances- 7

Kent St Bowl Appearances-3



WMU NCAA appearances- 4

EMU NCAA appearances- 4

Ball St NCAA appearances- 7

Kent St NCAA appearances- 6



Football home attendance- last year(generous year)

WMU- 15,886

EMU- 14,730

BSt- 9899

KSt- 13,185


Media market ranking by Nielsen

WMU-44th

EMU- unranked(located between Ann Arbor and Detroit, too many other options)

Bst- unranked

Kst- unranked

The MAC is what the MAC is. Some of it good, some of it not. But the MAC is more than football & basketball, and some of those schools targeted as "lesser than" by some are pretty good at those non-revenue sports.

Plus, my Rockets have lost 2 basketball games to Ball State and 1 to EMU this season, so I'm going to live by the "those who live in glass houses" thing...

Its rare a school gets "dropped" out of any conference.

Having said that, EMU should be the only real contender.

While we all have attendance woes, and EMU has decent non-football programs, the Eagles almost-always completely-empty FBS football stadium is a legit 800 pound gorilla in the middle of the room. Even with more wins, nobody realistically sees this changing anytime soon.

(02-21-2018 10:55 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  What are the odds the MAC drops EMU, Kent st, and ball state, and tries to recruit other teams to strengthen the conference. Teams like Marshall, West. Kentucky, maybe even James Madison or SDSU. I just think those current MAC teams drag the conference down so much, they should probably be FCS.

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