(02-20-2018 11:34 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 10:17 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:38 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:27 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  Yes. It could be worse. A lot worse.

If Penny doesn't get the stud recruits in the first year or two, you'll be wishing we had Tubby and the 20+ wins we'll get this season.

And, even if Penny were to get some top recruits right off the bat, there is no guarantee that he could maintain any level of success. Coaching at the NCAA Division 1 level is a COMPLETELY different animal than high school or AAU "coaching".

It can't get worse than it is now; impossible. For starters, Tubby is going on year 3 without bringing in a point guard that can run a D1 offense. At the very least, Penny would have one on campus next season.

Yes. It could be MUCH worse. In three years from now, we could be 8-22 under a Memphis legend and in a real pickle.

If he gets the recruits, and I think he will, the record will be reversed or better with two good assistants.

Quick question. Who do you think Penny gets if he were hired by Memphis tomorrow?

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Nobody knows but I am sure that he has names lined up and I am sure that Nike would be behind him, wanting him to succeed.

I am of the opinion the powers to be have already made a decision and they are just waiting for the season's end to disclose. Double secret handshakes have taken place and there is plan.

Good timing considering the FBI could also be waiting for season's end to drop the ban hammer any number of top tier schools, coaches, assistants, players, boosters, shoe companies and their representatives. So there could be way more damage done than a few hand slaps and wags of the finger. With the NCAA you have sanctions, with the FBI you might be looking at some time in jail. Might be a bunch of coaching positions opening up in the near future. As one ESPN article stated about half of last year's Sweet 16 are under the microscope. Want to guess which ones?

I think the FBI investigation is what forced the NCAA to make the decision to take away the 2013 championship and the 2014 Sweet 16 from Louisville. Who knows what is about to happen, but I think it isn't going to be good.

So grabbing Penny now looks to be a good move.

Sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer. Please don't screw this up. They should definitely hire Penny.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Penny would like to have the title of Head Coach.

I’ll pass on Penny for now. Didn’t we recently hire an inexperienced coach that could recruit players? Do you really want to go through that again? Let him go to Ole Miss if he wants too. Let him learn the job there.

Penny’s draw is “immediate gratification”. He’s not bringing Wiseman and Lomax has committed. So we think he’ll out recruit Cal for Jeffries?

I’m totally fine looking for a new coach if the boosters want to pay off Tubby. I doubt that’ll happen though. I have no doubt that he’ll be back next year.

Everyone likes Penny. I like Penny. But I don’t think he’s ready to be a D-1 coach at a school that has super high expectations. I don’t see him fulfilling the expectations and that’ll set up a hot dog stand meeting in a few years.

Tried to read the whole thing and couldn't just makes me depressed trying to get through the first paragraph or two...all those players here and we aren't gonna get any of them. Just makes me sad.

(02-21-2018 10:18 AM)fsquid Wrote:  I don't think anyone is disputing that Penny would like to have the title of Head Coach.

(02-21-2018 10:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I’ll pass on Penny for now. Didn’t we recently hire an inexperienced coach that could recruit players? Do you really want to go through that again? Let him go to Ole Miss if he wants too. Let him learn the job there.

Penny’s draw is “immediate gratification”. He’s not bringing Wiseman and Lomax has committed. So we think he’ll out recruit Cal for Jeffries?

I’m totally fine looking for a new coach if the boosters want to pay off Tubby. I doubt that’ll happen though. I have no doubt that he’ll be back next year.

Everyone likes Penny. I like Penny. But I don’t think he’s ready to be a D-1 coach at a school that has super high expectations. I don’t see him fulfilling the expectations and that’ll set up a hot dog stand meeting in a few years.

I’ll pass on keeping Tubby.

(02-21-2018 10:28 AM)TigerK Wrote:  Tried to read the whole thing and couldn't just makes me depressed trying to get through the first paragraph or two...all those players here and we aren't gonna get any of them. Just makes me sad.

That’s why to me it’s an easy decision

(02-21-2018 01:30 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I’ll pass on Penny for now. Didn’t we recently hire an inexperienced coach that could recruit players? Do you really want to go through that again? Let him go to Ole Miss if he wants too. Let him learn the job there.

Penny’s draw is “immediate gratification”. He’s not bringing Wiseman and Lomax has committed. So we think he’ll out recruit Cal for Jeffries?

I’m totally fine looking for a new coach if the boosters want to pay off Tubby. I doubt that’ll happen though. I have no doubt that he’ll be back next year.

Everyone likes Penny. I like Penny. But I don’t think he’s ready to be a D-1 coach at a school that has super high expectations. I don’t see him fulfilling the expectations and that’ll set up a hot dog stand meeting in a few years.

I’ll pass on keeping Tubby.

That’s fine, but someone’s gotta make the payout... who wants to spend their money on this?

If Penny is named the head coach at Memphis and Lomax doesn't decommit I would be shocked.

(02-21-2018 02:43 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:30 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I’ll pass on Penny for now. Didn’t we recently hire an inexperienced coach that could recruit players? Do you really want to go through that again? Let him go to Ole Miss if he wants too. Let him learn the job there.

Penny’s draw is “immediate gratification”. He’s not bringing Wiseman and Lomax has committed. So we think he’ll out recruit Cal for Jeffries?

I’m totally fine looking for a new coach if the boosters want to pay off Tubby. I doubt that’ll happen though. I have no doubt that he’ll be back next year.

Everyone likes Penny. I like Penny. But I don’t think he’s ready to be a D-1 coach at a school that has super high expectations. I don’t see him fulfilling the expectations and that’ll set up a hot dog stand meeting in a few years.

I’ll pass on keeping Tubby.

That’s fine, but someone’s gotta make the payout... who wants to spend their money on this?

Ummm, the boosters are already on the hook for the payout. The payout is simply the remainder of the contract. The new money you need is for the new coach.

(02-21-2018 03:16 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 02:43 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 01:30 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I’ll pass on Penny for now. Didn’t we recently hire an inexperienced coach that could recruit players? Do you really want to go through that again? Let him go to Ole Miss if he wants too. Let him learn the job there.

Penny’s draw is “immediate gratification”. He’s not bringing Wiseman and Lomax has committed. So we think he’ll out recruit Cal for Jeffries?

I’m totally fine looking for a new coach if the boosters want to pay off Tubby. I doubt that’ll happen though. I have no doubt that he’ll be back next year.

Everyone likes Penny. I like Penny. But I don’t think he’s ready to be a D-1 coach at a school that has super high expectations. I don’t see him fulfilling the expectations and that’ll set up a hot dog stand meeting in a few years.

I’ll pass on keeping Tubby.

That’s fine, but someone’s gotta make the payout... who wants to spend their money on this?

Ummm, the boosters are already on the hook for the payout. The payout is simply the remainder of the contract. The new money you need is for the new coach.

That’s a great way to keep them as boosters. They pull the strings, not Bowen...

I wonder if you could sell Penny and Tubby on Penny becoming the head coach in waiting. Something like a guaranteed contract once Tubby is out? Could strongly suggest Tubby do this by adding Penny as the top assistant and in return he gets to keep his other 2...or he can resign. Penny would have the assurance of a head coaching job while getting to see what that entails

(02-21-2018 03:58 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I wonder if you could sell Penny and Tubby on Penny becoming the head coach in waiting. Something like a guaranteed contract once Tubby is out? Could strongly suggest Tubby do this by adding Penny as the top assistant and in return he gets to keep his other 2...or he can resign. Penny would have the assurance of a head coaching job while getting to see what that entails

I’ve often thought of this same idea. To me it’s a win win for everyone. I’d do it if I were Tubby. However I think egos would prevent this. Both parties get something with this agreement. Tubby then gets players and Penny takes over in three years. Attendance goes way up. We start winning again.

(02-21-2018 04:06 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:58 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I wonder if you could sell Penny and Tubby on Penny becoming the head coach in waiting. Something like a guaranteed contract once Tubby is out? Could strongly suggest Tubby do this by adding Penny as the top assistant and in return he gets to keep his other 2...or he can resign. Penny would have the assurance of a head coaching job while getting to see what that entails

I’ve often thought of this same idea. To me it’s a win win for everyone. I’d do it if I were Tubby. However I think egos would prevent this. Both parties get something with this agreement. Tubby then gets players and Penny takes over in three years. Attendance goes way up. We start winning again.

In a perfect world, it would work. Penny gets recruiting & college coaching experience (not that he'd learn a whole lot from Tubby, but...), Tubby gets a good assistant to boost his record & the general opinion of him as he sails off to retirement.

That said, I agree that egos on both sides would prevent it from happening.

As far as I can tell (reading posts everywhere and looking at his actions) Tubby is driven to provide a job for his son and cannot/willnot see the downside of this obsessive focus.

(02-21-2018 04:06 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:58 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  I wonder if you could sell Penny and Tubby on Penny becoming the head coach in waiting. Something like a guaranteed contract once Tubby is out? Could strongly suggest Tubby do this by adding Penny as the top assistant and in return he gets to keep his other 2...or he can resign. Penny would have the assurance of a head coaching job while getting to see what that entails

I’ve often thought of this same idea. To me it’s a win win for everyone. I’d do it if I were Tubby. However I think egos would prevent this. Both parties get something with this agreement. Tubby then gets players and Penny takes over in three years. Attendance goes way up. We start winning again.

and the first time we lose back to back games next year, everyone will be clamoring to promote Penny.

I am warming up to Penny, but his hire is fraught with risk.

However, for me a bad coaching tenure will do nothing to tarnish his contributions to the Tigers and the City of Memphis.

(02-21-2018 05:19 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  I am warming up to Penny, but his hire is fraught with risk.

However, for me a bad coaching tenure will do nothing to tarnish his contributions to the Tigers and the City of Memphis.

What would a good to great coaching tenure do?

We see countless posts about the possibility of Penny failing, yet we don’t see any posts on the possibility of Penny being a smashing success. What if he leads us to multiple league championships, multiple conference tournament championships, and deep runs in the NCAA tournament?