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RE: Superconference Scenarios
(02-12-2018 02:55 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't believe we will ever have what one might call "superconferences" or "megaconferences". I think 18 is the limit, and depending on what Oklahoma and Texas prefer to do there might only be one of those.

For this exercise, I'm going to assume (without any actual knowledge of what they want) they both want to go to the B1G, and that the B1G will have them and will accept two more to make that happen. I'm also going to assume that ESPN will either allow or encourage movement from the ACC to the SEC, and will negotiate whatever is needed to make that possible.

Then my two 18 team conferences are:

B1G East: Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue and Illinois.

B1G West: Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and Texas.

SEC East: Kentucky, Tennessee, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech and NC State.

SEC West: Alabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt, LSU, Arkansas, Missouri and Texas A&M.

These four divisions will all play a balanced 8 game schedule, and will schedule any rivalry opponents from the other division in their conference as part of their OOC schedule. The only two such rivalries that come readily to mind are Auburn-Georgia and Tennessee-Vanderbilt.

The remaining ACC teams stay together as a single 10 team conference with a full round robin schedule plus Notre Dame, which plays half of them one year and the other half the next.

The remnants of the Big 12 rebuild from the AAC western teams, with West Virginia moving to the AAC. The net result is two geographically logical 9 team conferences (with Wichita State going with the Big 12).

The end result is 3 very strong (I won't say "Power") conferences, 3 Tweener conferences, and 4 relatively weak conferences.

At that point, ND probably parts ways with the ACC. They can hook up with the Big East again and retain a fully independent football schedule. Maybe they'd try to establish a partial football schedule with the Big Ten to replace the ACC games. Then they'd have easier access to traditional rivals such as Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue, while still being able to play Navy, USC, and Stanford. Of course, if they're smart, they go all in with the Big Ten, and Okie Jr. can forget about an invite (not that the Cowboys would have been invited in the first place).

Also, in your scenario, WVU is sticking with the Big 12 except on the off chance that the ACC invites them.



While none of this will happen in reality, in this scenario, don't expect ND to join the Big Ten.

Why do people keep trying to shoehorn ND football into the very last place it wants to be?

ND outright rejected the Big Ten in 1999 and did so again in 2010-12 with its move to the ACC. Jim Delany really wanted the Irish, too. No sale.

I doubt ND would join the Big East. No bowl bids there, no football scheduling for November, either.

In this fantasy land scenario, ND would likely keep the status quo with that entity called the ACC for a number of reasons (Southeastern recruiting, better "fit" with private schools in ACC, etc.).

That was certainly my assumption. This would be a pretty good schedule for the Irish, IMO:

Miami, UNC, Boston College, Wake Forest, Virginia, Stanford, USC, Navy, either Oklahoma or Texas (alternate years), Alabama or other SEC team and an FBS buy game.

Not to mention some pretty good hoops, LAX and other sports. They could do worse.
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Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas


SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn

SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St


Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, Temple, Indiana

BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern, Nebraska


Pac-12 stays the same
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(02-13-2018 09:40 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas


SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn

SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St


Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, UConn, Temple

BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern

Pac-12 stays the same

Whither Nebraska?
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(02-13-2018 09:51 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 09:40 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Magnolia Conference: Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy, Miami, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Baylor, Tulane, Rice, SMU, TCU, Kansas


SEC (East): Florida, FSU, UGA, Tennessee, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina, NCST, VT, Kentucky, Louisville, Auburn

SEC (West): Alabama, Ole Miss, Miss St, LSU, Texas A&M, Texas, Texas Tech, Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St


Big North Conference (East): WVU, Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt, Penn State, Ohio St, UConn, Temple

BNC (West): Notre Dame, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Purdue, Northwestern

Pac-12 stays the same

Whither Nebraska?

I knew I forgot one. Edited. (Sorry UConn)
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
Not necessarily superconferences but...

Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16.

The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC
West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

XIV
West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only)
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida

AWC (American West Conference)
West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St
East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only)
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(02-13-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Not necessarily superconferences but...

Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16.

The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC
West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

XIV
West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only)
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida

AWC (American West Conference)
West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St
East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only)


ND does not want this and the ACC will not agree to this.

Other than that......
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
Another interesting exercise could be instead of splitting into a P65 and G65, splitting into 4 groups instead.

The Big 36
USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash, Ariz, Col, Tex, Oklahoma
Kansas, Neb, Mizzou, Arky, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, ILL
Mich, Mich St, Ohio St, Indy, Notre Dame, Penn St, Va, UNC
Clem, Florida, Flor St, Bama, Auburn, Tenn,
Ky, Ga, GT, Ole Miss, LSU, Texas A&M

Middle 32
Ariz St, Cal, Stan, Utah ,Ore. St, Wash St, BYU, Boise St
Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Okie St, Kansas St, Iowa St, Miss St, Pur
Lou, Miami, VT, Duke, NCSU, S. Car, UCF, USF
Rut, WV, Cuse, Pitt, BC, MD, UConn, Cincy

Lower 24
Temple, NW, Wake, Vandy, Memphis, Tulane, ECU, USM
AFA, Navy, Col St, New Mex, Hou, SMU, Tulsa, Rice
UNLV, SDSU, Fresno St, Hawaii, Nevada, Wyoming, UTEP
NIU

Bottom 38
SJSU, USU, NMSU, UTSA, Tex ST
North Tex, Ark St, La Tech, La-Mo, La-La, USA, Troy, UAB
FIU, FAU, Charlotte, ODU, MTSU, WKY, Marshal, Army
Ga St, Ga So, Liberty, UMass, CCU, App St
WMU, CMU, EMU, Ball St, TOL
Akron, Ohio, Miami-OH, Buf, BGSU, Kent St

Moving down to FCS: Idaho
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RE: Superconference Scenarios
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:19 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  Not necessarily superconferences but...

Notre Dame goes a little further into ACC football by agreeing to join a division and play only 7 ACC games. Notre Dame may schedule the other ACC teams in OOC games. The divisions are realigned. In turn, the ACC gives Notre Dame full access to the ACC championship game based upon conference game win percentage. The ACC finalizes up to 16.

The Oklahoma schools jump to the SEC. Texas heads west because Texas' ego gets in the way and the PAC is willing to let Texas maintain the LHN. The B1G does nothing. The XII expands from the AAC. The AAC disbands as the remnant merges with some MWC schools.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, Utah
South: USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Texas, Texas Tech

B1G
West: Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

SEC
West: Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Texas A&M, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Alabama, Auburn, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

ACC
Atlantic: Notre Dame, Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Coastal: Florida St, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia

XIV
West: Houston, Baylor, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Navy (football only)
East: Memphis, Cincinnati, Temple, Connecticut, East Carolina, Central Florida, South Florida

AWC (American West Conference)
West: San Diego St, Fresno St, UNLV, Boise St, BYU, Wyoming, Colorado St
East: Air Force, New Mexico, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Army (football only)


ND does not want this and the ACC will not agree to this.

Other than that......

It would be an interesting scenario if the Superconferences each split into 3 divisions in order to incorporate conference semifinal tournaments. The CFP becomes a Champs Only affair for the P4.

In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.
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(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.
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(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.

As I said up thread, ND does not want this.

Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy.

Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference.
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(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.

As I said up thread, ND does not want this.

Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy.

Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference.

If that hypothetical scenario were to take place, presumably ND would have had to agree on it. I think you're right in that they wouldn't actually agree.

Setting aside hypotheticals, ND is a "special snowflake" that wants the benefits of being in a conference without having to fully contribute to the conference. That the ACC agreed to such a one-sided deal with ND in 2013 speaks to the conference's desperation at the time.

If ND really wanted to keep football completely out of a conference, they wouldn't have agreed to the 5-game ACC schedule. They're over halfway in already, so they've conceded that full independence isn't feasible. They'll end up as a full football-playing member of a conference sooner or later, even if it's not the ACC.

Since you consider yourself above your fellow "message board fanboys," it may behoove you to avoid paying any attention to realignment scenarios, especially if you think they might involve ND. They really seem to rile you up.
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This is my one and only superconference. It consists of 8 divisions of 8 teams each. Each school will play a full round robin within its division, and only these seven games will count in determining the division standings.

Each school will also play 3 conference opponents from outside its division. While these games will not count in determing division champions, they will be considered in seeding the 16 team conference tournament.

The divisions, and the OOD opponents for each school, are:

Alabama.............Ole Miss, Mississippi St, LSU
Georgia..............Georgia Tech, Clemson, Oklahoma St
Auburn...............Clemson, Georgia Tech, Arkansas
Florida................Florida State, Miami, Ole Miss
West Virginia.......Pitt, Virginia Tech, Maryland
Tennessee...........Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Ole Miss
Vanderbilt...........Duke, South Carolina, Northwestern
Kentucky............Louisville, South Carolina, LSU

LSU....................Alabama, Kentucky, Michigan St
Oklahoma St.......Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Georgia
Texas A&M..........TCU, Georgia Tech, Ohio State
Kansas St............Kansas, Iowa State, Nebraska
Mississippi St.......Alabama, Florida St, Clemson
Missouri..............Kansas, Iowa, South Carolina
Arkansas.............Oklahoma, Texas, Auburn
Ole Miss..............Alabama, Tennessee, Florida

Notre Dame.........Southern Cal, Stanford, Michigan
Louisville.............Kentucky, North Carolina, Indiana
Virginia Tech........NC State, west Virginia, Tennessee
Miami.................Florida State, Florida, Penn state
Pitt.....................West Virginia, Penn State, Rutgers
Boston College.....Wake Forest, Rutgers, Maryland
Syracuse.............Wake Forest, Rutgers, Purdue
Virginia...............North Carolina, Wake Forest, Duke

Clemson..............Auburn, Georgia, Mississippi St
Florida State........Florida, Miami, Mississippi St
South Carolina.....Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Missouri
Georgia Tech........Georgia, Auburn, Texas A&M
NC State..............Virginia, Maryland, Penn State
North Carolina......Virginia, Tennessee, Louisville
Duke...................Virginia, Vanderbilt, Northwestern
Wake Forest.........Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse

Ohio State...........Wisconsin, Minnesota, Texas A&M
Michigan St..........Iowa, Illinois, LSU
Michigan..............Minnesota, Notre Dame, Wisconsin
Penn State...........Pitt, NC State, Miami
Indiana................Illinois, Iowa St, Louisville
Maryland.............West Virginia, NC State, Boston College
Rutgers................Syracuse, Boston College, Pitt
Purdue.................Illinois, Iowa St, Syracuse

Wisconsin.............Oregon, Ohio State, Michigan
Iowa....................Missouri, Michigan St, Washington
Nebraska..............Washington, Oklahoma, Kansas st
Northwestern........Duke, Stanford, Vanderbilt
Minnesota.............Oregon St, Michigan, Ohio State
Iowa State............Kansas St, Purdue, Indiana
Illinois..................Purdue, Indiana, Michigan St
Kansas.................Kansas St, Missouri, Colorado

Oregon.................Utah, TCU, Wisconsin
Stanford...............Notre Dame, Arizona St, Northwestern
Southern Cal.........Notre Dame, Arizona, Utah
Washington...........Utah, Iowa, Nebraska
UCLA....................Texas, Colorado, Arizona St
California..............Texas, Colorado, Arizona
Washington St.......Utah, Texas Tech, TCU
Oregon St.............Arizona, Texas Tech, Minnesota

Oklahoma.............Oklahoma St, Arkansas, Nebraska
TCU......................Texas A&M, Oregon, Washington St
Utah.....................Washington, Southern Cal, Oregon
Arizona State.........UCLA, Stanford, Washington St
Texas....................California, UCLA, Arkansas
Arizona..................California, Southern Cal, Oregon St
Texas Tech.............Oklahoma St, Washington St, Oregon St
Colorado................California, UCLA, Kansas

The first and second place finishers from each division, based solely on the W-L record within their division, will qualify for the championship tournament. The first place finishers will be seeded #1-8 and the second place finisher #9-16. Seeding will be done by a committee, which will take the entire 10 game conference schedule into account. Seeds can be adjusted by one place up or down to prevent two teams from the same division meeting in the first two rounds.

The 8 first round winners are guaranteed a spot in the NY6. The four highest seeded first round losers round out the field. The four second round winners advance to the semifinals, to be played at the Cotton Bowl and Peach Bowl. The finals rotate through all six NY6 sites.



EDIT:

The order of the teams within each division is not random. It is based on the average Sagarin strength rating over the last 8 years, after discarding each school's best and worst season. The strongest team in each division is listed first.
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(02-14-2018 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 09:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 06:26 PM)YNot Wrote:  In that scenario, I wonder whether you could create room for a still semi-independent Notre Dame with the existing 4-6 game ACC schedule?

Notre Dame could be eligible for the ACC tournament (and thus, ultimately the CFP) by winning its division (based on divisional record) - and not eligible for the ACC tournament wild card bid. The ACC divisions would rotate somewhat to accommodate Notre Dame's future ACC opponents. With the divisional rotations, you might actually create more opportunities for certain ACC teams to play each other more often than the status quo.

Something like this:

ACC
2021:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Florida St., North Carolina, at Virginia, Georgia Tech
ATLANTIC: Clemson, NC State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Louisville
COASTAL: Virginia Tech, Miami, Pittsburgh, Duke, Syracuse
(The Irish also play at Virginia Tech in '21)
*If desired, Florida St. plays Atlantic schools in its cross-division games and UNC, UVA, and GT play mostly Coastal schools in their cross-division games.

2022:
NORTH: Notre Dame, Boston College, Clemson, at North Carolina, at Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Georgia Tech, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: Duke, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
(Only the 4 divisional games scheduled in '22)
*If desired, North Carolina and Georgia Tech play Coastal schools in their cross-division games and BC, Cuse, and Clemson play mostly Atlantic schools in their cross-division games.

2023:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Duke, at NC State, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Boston College, Syracuse, Louisville
COASTAL: Miami, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Clemson and at Louisville in '23)

2024:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Georgia Tech, Virginia, Florida St., Miami
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Boston College, NC State, Wake Forest, Louisville
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia Tech, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
(Only the 4 divisional games in '24)

2025:
NORTH: Notre Dame, at Boston College, at Miami, NC State, Syracuse
ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida St., Louisville, Wake Forest, Pitt
COASTAL: North Carolina, Duke, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia
(The Irish also play at Pitt in '25)

So, despite playing in Notre Dame's division twice in five years, North Carolina would still play a mostly Coastal schedule and Florida St. would still play a mostly Atlantic schedule each year.

First, this wouldn't happen before 2025. Second, I can't imagine any of the ACC football schools would want this. Random divisions are not practical or desirable. Third, I'm sure everyone would rapidly tire of catering to ND's every whim, if they haven't already.

As I said up thread, ND does not want this.

Therefore, it is not a "whim" of the Irish, but rather message board fanboy fantasy.

Name me some other alleged "whims", please, other than wanting to keep football out of any damn conference.

If that hypothetical scenario were to take place, presumably ND would have had to agree on it. I think you're right in that they wouldn't actually agree.

Setting aside hypotheticals, ND is a "special snowflake" that wants the benefits of being in a conference without having to fully contribute to the conference. That the ACC agreed to such a one-sided deal with ND in 2013 speaks to the conference's desperation at the time.

If ND really wanted to keep football completely out of a conference, they wouldn't have agreed to the 5-game ACC schedule. They're over halfway in already, so they've conceded that full independence isn't feasible. They'll end up as a full football-playing member of a conference sooner or later, even if it's not the ACC.

Since you consider yourself above your fellow "message board fanboys," it may behoove you to avoid paying any attention to realignment scenarios, especially if you think they might involve ND. They really seem to rile you up.

They don't "rile me up". Most of them are ridiculous, though.

No, I don't think that ND football will join a conference eventually. Only a P4 champs only setup will force ND fully into a conference, shotgun to forehead.

I don't really think that will happen. You do. We just disagree.

I also don't think that I am "above anyone". I am just pointing out that this kind of stuff is mostly message board fantasy, not reality.

But, keep telling me how I think and feel and carry on.......
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Chances of this happening are virtually nil but I have thought that one major basketball-focused conference on the East Coast is best for the region. Basically, merge the basketball-oriented programs in the ACC with the C5 of the Big East and add in former Big East all sports member except for USF, Miami, Cincinnati, Rutgers, West Virginia and Louisville.

13 members, 8 of which play football.

UNC
UVA
Duke
Wake
Villanova
Georgetown
St. John's
Seton Hall
Providence
Pitt
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn

The football league would be:

UNC
UVA
Duke
Wake
Pitt
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn

This type of league would be best for their ambitions. They don't have to spend up for football, just have enough teams to fill in dates and then play opponents from the AAC, SEC, Big Ten, Notre Dame, PAC, Navy, Army, Air Force, leaving enough dates to play in-state or local rivals.

Lacrosse would be a separate new league that has the ACC stalwarts + Cuse, Notre Dame, St. John's, Villanova, Providence, Georgetown and Marquette. Perhaps then UConn would move up men's lacrosse to varsity.

What happens to the other sports of Marquette and Notre Dame? They would join a new sports league except for a few like hockey, lacrosse and football that is more regional in nature.

Notre Dame
Marquette
Xavier
Butler
St. Louis
DePaul
Creighton
Dayton

Btw, Miami, Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech and Louisville go to finish filling up the SEC slots.
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I'm not sure if this has been shared on this thread yet or not, but I saw this on Twitter. https://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2017/11...-football/

GULF COAST CONFERENCE: Central Florida, Florida International, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Southern Miss, South Alabama, South Florida

ATLANTIC SEABOARD CONFERENCE: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Old Dominion, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Miami, Florida State, Florida Atlantic

DEEP SOUTH CONFERENCE: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Tulane, Troy, Alabama-Birmingham, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

MISSISSIPPI VALLEY CONFERENCE: Arkansas, Arkansas State, Kentucky, Western Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Middle Tennessee, Memphis, Vanderbilt

MID ATLANTIC CONFERENCE: Buffalo, Appalachian State, Virginia, VA Tech, Maryland, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Louisville

NORTHEAST CONFERENCE: Navy, Army, Temple, Marshall, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College

RUST BELT CONFERENCE: Cincinnati, Miami (OH), Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Toledo, Ball State, Penn State, Pittsburgh

GREAT LAKES CONFERENCE: Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Eastern Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Ohio State, Akron, Indiana, Illinois

MID AMERICA CONFERENCE: Colorado, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kent State, Bowling Green

FRONTIER CONFERENCE: Wyoming, Air Force, Boise State, Utah, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Brigham Young, Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico, New Mexico State

PACIFIC COAST CONFERENCE: USC, UCLA, San Diego State, San Jose State, Fresno State, California, Stanford, Hawaii, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

LONE STAR CONFERENCE: Texas, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, North Texas, Rice, Texas-El Paso, Texas-San Antonio, Texas State
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(02-21-2018 04:50 PM)McKinney Wrote:  I'm not sure if this has been shared on this thread yet or not, but I saw this on Twitter. https://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2017/11...-football/

GULF COAST CONFERENCE: Central Florida, Florida International, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Southern Miss, South Alabama, South Florida

ATLANTIC SEABOARD CONFERENCE: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Old Dominion, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Miami, Florida State, Florida Atlantic

DEEP SOUTH CONFERENCE: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Tulane, Troy, Alabama-Birmingham, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

MISSISSIPPI VALLEY CONFERENCE: Arkansas, Arkansas State, Kentucky, Western Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Middle Tennessee, Memphis, Vanderbilt

MID ATLANTIC CONFERENCE: Buffalo, Appalachian State, Virginia, VA Tech, Maryland, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Louisville

NORTHEAST CONFERENCE: Navy, Army, Temple, Marshall, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College

RUST BELT CONFERENCE: Cincinnati, Miami (OH), Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Toledo, Ball State, Penn State, Pittsburgh

GREAT LAKES CONFERENCE: Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Eastern Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Ohio State, Akron, Indiana, Illinois

MID AMERICA CONFERENCE: Colorado, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kent State, Bowling Green

FRONTIER CONFERENCE: Wyoming, Air Force, Boise State, Utah, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Brigham Young, Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico, New Mexico State

PACIFIC COAST CONFERENCE: USC, UCLA, San Diego State, San Jose State, Fresno State, California, Stanford, Hawaii, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

LONE STAR CONFERENCE: Texas, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, North Texas, Rice, Texas-El Paso, Texas-San Antonio, Texas State

Now you have the right thread! 03-wink

The author made some weird choices. Kent State and BGSU separated from the other Ohio schools and in with the Big 8 schools? Also, the "Mid Atlantic Conference" is short a team. I assume they meant for Liberty to be #10.

In any case, this won't provide a much better path for the CFP than the G5 schools currently have. They'll just get beaten up more.
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(02-21-2018 04:56 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Now you have the right thread! 03-wink

The author made some weird choices. Kent State and BGSU separated from the other Ohio schools and in with the Big 8 schools? Also, the "Mid Atlantic Conference" is short a team. I assume they meant for Liberty to be #10.

In any case, this won't provide a much better path for the CFP than the G5 schools currently have. They'll just get beaten up more.

Yeah had a bit of trouble there for a while. 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

It's certainly not perfect that's for sure, but I like the concept of more regional conferences. There was a video I saw a while back about a guy who redid the NFL conferences/divisions to be more regional, I wonder if the same algorithm he used has been used for college football.



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(02-21-2018 04:50 PM)McKinney Wrote:  I'm not sure if this has been shared on this thread yet or not, but I saw this on Twitter. https://peskytruth.wordpress.com/2017/11...-football/

GULF COAST CONFERENCE: Central Florida, Florida International, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Southern Miss, South Alabama, South Florida

ATLANTIC SEABOARD CONFERENCE: Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Old Dominion, South Carolina, Wake Forest, Miami, Florida State, Florida Atlantic

DEEP SOUTH CONFERENCE: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Tennessee, Tulane, Troy, Alabama-Birmingham, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

MISSISSIPPI VALLEY CONFERENCE: Arkansas, Arkansas State, Kentucky, Western Kentucky, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Middle Tennessee, Memphis, Vanderbilt

MID ATLANTIC CONFERENCE: Buffalo, Appalachian State, Virginia, VA Tech, Maryland, Charlotte, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Louisville

NORTHEAST CONFERENCE: Navy, Army, Temple, Marshall, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rutgers, Syracuse, West Virginia, Boston College

RUST BELT CONFERENCE: Cincinnati, Miami (OH), Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Toledo, Ball State, Penn State, Pittsburgh

GREAT LAKES CONFERENCE: Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan, Michigan State, Eastern Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Ohio State, Akron, Indiana, Illinois

MID AMERICA CONFERENCE: Colorado, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Nebraska, Iowa, Iowa State, Kent State, Bowling Green

FRONTIER CONFERENCE: Wyoming, Air Force, Boise State, Utah, Utah State, Nevada, UNLV, Brigham Young, Arizona, Arizona State, New Mexico, New Mexico State

PACIFIC COAST CONFERENCE: USC, UCLA, San Diego State, San Jose State, Fresno State, California, Stanford, Hawaii, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

LONE STAR CONFERENCE: Texas, Texas A&M, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Texas Tech, North Texas, Rice, Texas-El Paso, Texas-San Antonio, Texas State

Same principle, but better alignment IMO:

ACC: Appalachian State, Charlotte, Clemson, Duke, East Carolina, NC State, North Carolina, Old Dominion, South Carolina, Wake Forest

American: Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Navy, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia

Big 10: Akron, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Toledo, Western Michigan

Big 12: Ball State, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Missouri, Northern Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue, Wisconsin

Big Central: Air Force, Colorado, Colorado State, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa, Wyoming

CUSA: Arkansas, Arkansas State, Louisiana Tech, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Southern Miss, Tulane

MAC: Cincinnati, Kentucky, Liberty, Louisville, Marshall, Maryland, Miami-OH, Ohio, Virginia, Virginia Tech

MWC: Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Nevada, New Mexico, New Mexico State, UNLV, Utah, Utah State

Pac-12: California, Fresno State, Hawaii, Oregon, Oregon State, San Diego State, San Jose State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Washington State

SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Memphis, Middle Tennessee, South Alabama, Tennessee, Troy, UAB, Vanderbilt, Western Kentucky

Sun Belt: Central Florida, Coastal Carolina, FAU, FIU, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Florida

SWC: Baylor, Houston, North Texas, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas State, Texas Tech, UTEP, UTSA

The only ones I kept the same are the Pac-12/Pacific Coast and SWC/Lone Star. No alignment is ever perfect, of course. There would still be some annual interconference matchups, among them:

Appalachian State/Georgia Southern
Army/Air Force
Auburn/Georgia
Navy/Air Force
Navy/Notre Dame
North Carolina/Virginia
Notre Dame/USC
Oklahoma/Texas
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