(01-07-2018 05:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.

yeah, yeah, yeah - that about all you can say.

That one was so painful for so many reasons. We were almost "there". It took a lot to get to that opportunity. Back to back and perfect season all on one game.

That one really hurt.

Re-watching the game I disagree with something I said earlierr. We win that game more than not. The problem is we lost it yesterday. We were the better team that lost on that day.

Almost everything went against us, and we shot ourselves in the foot so much coaching and playing, and we still almost won.

The better team did not win.

What a shame.

Just for what it's worth to anybody, you can go to espn3.com and search for "James Madison" if you want to watch a replay of the game. (You just need to log in with an account for a provider of ESPN.)

(01-07-2018 12:05 PM)Gil Dobie Wrote:  Must be this photo. Tough call to reverse, seeing his right hand not looking like it still has control of the ball. But I wear green and gold glasses.

His left hand appears to still have it in his grasp. Considering one handed catches are legal, why not this? It was a poor call by a notoriously bad crew.
Yes we had our chances but it doesn’t excuse poor calls. They shouldn’t happen in the era of replay.

Potomac, great suggestion on Hutchins BBQ btw. I liked it better than Hard 8.

(01-07-2018 05:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.

Shoot I completely forgot about the missed FG and how that would’ve completely changed the course of the game. That is bigger than many are giving it credit for.

(01-07-2018 06:18 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.

Shoot I completely forgot about the missed FG and how that would’ve completely changed the course of the game. That is bigger than many are giving it credit for.

I imagine most people are trying not to pile onto Ethan R. I'm sure he's been tough on himself as it is.

(01-07-2018 06:14 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Potomac, great suggestion on Hutchins BBQ btw. I liked it better than Hard 8.

I’m glad you liked Hutchins bbq hyper. It’s the best bbq I’ve ever had. The kind that makes you depressed you don’t live near it but then grateful you don’t live near it.
All you can eat peach cobbler and bread pudding (I think they had that?), is a game changer.

(01-07-2018 06:23 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 06:18 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.

Shoot I completely forgot about the missed FG and how that would’ve completely changed the course of the game. That is bigger than many are giving it credit for.

I imagine most people are trying not to pile onto Ethan R. I'm sure he's been tough on himself as it is.

He hit it well, and barely missed. That is one of over a dozen botched opportunities.

(01-07-2018 04:24 PM)James Madison Wrote:  I saw the pic from Richmond Times Dispatch and the reason why the ball is loose in that pic is because after Stapleton went down, he bounced back up off the ground and the ball came out. If you look closer at his positioning in the two pics posted, you'll see that in the Richmond one, he is lower to the ground as it was taken a little while after he was initially down.

Edit: The second pic in this thread isn't the one from the Richmond article I saw.

I'll have to disagree with you. Just looked at the RTD pic and Riley's eyes are still closed. Don't know many players who keep their eyes closed as they are bouncing back up.

Really don't want to dwell on one call because it's not the only reason we lost, but I can't believe there's any dispute he's down there. Rewatch it. The knee is incredibly clearly down. Pitifully bad call.

(01-07-2018 07:09 PM)JMUska Wrote:  Really don't want to dwell on one call because it's not the only reason we lost, but I can't believe there's any dispute he's down there. Rewatch it. The knee is incredibly clearly down. Pitifully bad call.

As much as it's been disputed there is no way it should of been overturned by replay. This is the perfect definition of "play stands". At the game I figured he was down. What I've seen since makes me think he probably wasn't down, but I not seen enough to make a definite opinion.

(01-07-2018 06:23 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 06:18 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.

Shoot I completely forgot about the missed FG and how that would’ve completely changed the course of the game. That is bigger than many are giving it credit for.

I imagine most people are trying not to pile onto Ethan R. I'm sure he's been tough on himself as it is.

I’m not trying to pile on him. It was a long fg with the ball on the left hash and it missed by inches. Not an easy kick and just one of many bad breaks for us.

I don’t give a crap what picture is brought up because it’s a snapshot and we don’t no when it was in the line of snapshots that it falls.

It was not a fumble. The moving picture video feed proved it. It should have been overturned

(01-07-2018 05:31 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:16 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.

yeah, yeah, yeah - that about all you can say.

That one was so painful for so many reasons. We were almost "there". It took a lot to get to that opportunity. Back to back and perfect season all on one game.

That one really hurt.

Re-watching the game I disagree with something I said earlierr. We win that game more than not. The problem is we lost it yesterday. We were the better team that lost on that day.

Almost everything went against us, and we shot ourselves in the foot so much coaching and playing, and we still almost won.

The better team did not win.

What a shame.

Glad we can agree then. I see it exactly the same way.

(01-07-2018 07:30 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I don’t give a crap what picture is brought up because it’s a snapshot and we don’t no when it was in the line of snapshots that it falls.

It was not a fumble. The moving picture video feed proved it. It should have been overturned

I agree that we should have overcome bad calls and we shot ourselves in the foot but this was one of the most incompetent officiating crews that I have ever seen. Not only this call but the personal foul on Jackson after the Schor interception was ridiculous. Jackson retaliated to a cheep shot. As always the the retaliator gets flagged but NDSU’s bench came on the field. At a minimum they should have been flagged for that.

The Stapleton called fumble would have given the Dukes the ball past midfield with 2 minuets left in the half. Instead it gave NDSU the ball at our 40 resulting in 3 points. A very significant turn of events.


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I wish JMU could just play NDSU for 12 games consecutively and we could solve this question forever. Unfortunately we can’t, we only get one shot a year and that’s that. It was so close yesterday but too many mistakes.

This morning I was thinking “if I could go back in time and tell one JMU player one thing what would it be?” My thinking was to go back and tell Maginley not to run into the punter on that first punt. I think that would have changed the entire complexion of the game.

(01-07-2018 10:23 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 07:30 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I don’t give a crap what picture is brought up because it’s a snapshot and we don’t no when it was in the line of snapshots that it falls.

It was not a fumble. The moving picture video feed proved it. It should have been overturned

I agree that we should have overcome bad calls and we shot ourselves in the foot but this was one of the most incompetent officiating crews that I have ever seen. Not only this call but the personal foul on Jackson after the Schor interception was ridiculous. Jackson retaliated to a cheep shot. As always the the retaliator gets flagged but NDSU’s bench came on the field. At a minimum they should have been flagged for that.

The Stapleton called fumble would have given the Dukes the ball past midfield with 2 minuets left in the half. Instead it gave NDSU the ball at our 40 resulting in 3 points. A very significant turn of events.


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Yes. Jackson received a cheap shot late hit, but he is the one that took a swing at their player. I thought he would be thrown out. It didn’t matter since he never got on the field again.

(01-08-2018 06:41 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:23 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 07:30 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I don’t give a crap what picture is brought up because it’s a snapshot and we don’t no when it was in the line of snapshots that it falls.

It was not a fumble. The moving picture video feed proved it. It should have been overturned

I agree that we should have overcome bad calls and we shot ourselves in the foot but this was one of the most incompetent officiating crews that I have ever seen. Not only this call but the personal foul on Jackson after the Schor interception was ridiculous. Jackson retaliated to a cheep shot. As always the the retaliator gets flagged but NDSU’s bench came on the field. At a minimum they should have been flagged for that.

The Stapleton called fumble would have given the Dukes the ball past midfield with 2 minuets left in the half. Instead it gave NDSU the ball at our 40 resulting in 3 points. A very significant turn of events.


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Yes. Jackson received a cheap shot late hit, but he is the one that took a swing at their player. I thought he would be thrown out. It didn’t matter since he never got on the field again.

Of all the questionable calls that were subject to human interpretation and therefore are just "it is what it is" .... the lack of a dead ball penalty on the NDSU bench is the one thing that the NCAA should be coming out with a statement that this was an error made by the officiating crew. Not that it would change anything, but it would at least be honest and transparent.

(01-08-2018 08:13 AM)Oldduke Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 06:41 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 10:23 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 07:30 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I don’t give a crap what picture is brought up because it’s a snapshot and we don’t no when it was in the line of snapshots that it falls.

It was not a fumble. The moving picture video feed proved it. It should have been overturned

I agree that we should have overcome bad calls and we shot ourselves in the foot but this was one of the most incompetent officiating crews that I have ever seen. Not only this call but the personal foul on Jackson after the Schor interception was ridiculous. Jackson retaliated to a cheep shot. As always the the retaliator gets flagged but NDSU’s bench came on the field. At a minimum they should have been flagged for that.

The Stapleton called fumble would have given the Dukes the ball past midfield with 2 minuets left in the half. Instead it gave NDSU the ball at our 40 resulting in 3 points. A very significant turn of events.


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Yes. Jackson received a cheap shot late hit, but he is the one that took a swing at their player. I thought he would be thrown out. It didn’t matter since he never got on the field again.

Of all the questionable calls that were subject to human interpretation and therefore are just "it is what it is" .... the lack of a dead ball penalty on the NDSU bench is the one thing that the NCAA should be coming out with a statement that this was an error made by the officiating crew. Not that it would change anything, but it would at least be honest and transparent.

When obvious bad calls are made, I often try to figure, "What were the officials thinking?"
I could only think the officials thought the players coming off the bench were the offensive unit because of the change of possession.
But again, you would not think 30 players are playing offense.

(01-08-2018 12:05 AM)Dignan Wrote:  I wish JMU could just play NDSU for 12 games consecutively and we could solve this question forever. Unfortunately we can’t, we only get one shot a year and that’s that. It was so close yesterday but too many mistakes.

This morning I was thinking “if I could go back in time and tell one JMU player one thing what would it be?” My thinking was to go back and tell Maginley not to run into the punter on that first punt. I think that would have changed the entire complexion of the game.

I could not agree more. My 11 year old son said, as we left the game, "that is why you don't rough the kicker." Even with the mistakes and bad calls, I believe we would've won the game if not for that play.