It looks like knee is down. Ball still in possession. One of many bush league calls by the officials throughout.
When they blow a call on the very first play of the game, you know you’re dealing with a **** crew.

(01-07-2018 05:43 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:49 PM)Dukester Wrote:  I'll watch the game again on the bad calls, but either way they deserved to win. We shot ourselves in the foot too much with penalties, drops, and poor decisions on throws.

They had the better running game.

We made few big plays on offense. They made a big one on the pass.

I think they win that game 6/7 times out of 10 versus us.

We lose a lot this year. I felt this time last year we would be the team to beat this year.

I'm not sure how good we will be next year. Based on Mike Houston I guess at least a top 8 team. Defensive line, and a little bit QB, I just don't know.

totally disagree. you and i didn't watch the same game then. we made more self inflicted mistakes yesterday than the last two years combined.

at best, it's 5 and 5 out of 10. More likely, 6 or 7 out of 10 our way.

They won a NDSU game. Both teams talk 12 months a year about the 4th quarter. They controlled the 4th quarter for the most part. They held the lead. They managed/milked the clock as they always do with the lead. They clicked off first downs running the ball when they needed to even though we knew they would be running. There was not a lot of trickery in the 4th quarter. They just came at us. They gave up some yards, but toughened up when we go to their side of the field.

(01-07-2018 05:43 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:49 PM)Dukester Wrote:  I'll watch the game again on the bad calls, but either way they deserved to win. We shot ourselves in the foot too much with penalties, drops, and poor decisions on throws.

They had the better running game.

We made few big plays on offense. They made a big one on the pass.

I think they win that game 6/7 times out of 10 versus us.

We lose a lot this year. I felt this time last year we would be the team to beat this year.

I'm not sure how good we will be next year. Based on Mike Houston I guess at least a top 8 team. Defensive line, and a little bit QB, I just don't know.

totally disagree. you and i didn't watch the same game then. we made more self inflicted mistakes yesterday than the last two years combined.

at best, it's 5 and 5 out of 10. More likely, 6 or 7 out of 10 our way.

They won a NDSU game. Both teams talk 12 months a year about the 4th quarter. They controlled the 4th quarter for the most part. They held the lead. They managed/milked the clock as they always do with the lead. They clicked off first downs running the ball when they needed to even though we knew they would be running. There was not a lot of trickery in the 4th quarter. They just came at us. They gave up some yards, but toughened up when we go to their side of the field.

(01-07-2018 08:25 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:19 AM)JMU85 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 05:32 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  For everyone still crying about the Stapleton fumble, I was told the Dallas Morning Star (or whatever that paper is called) photographer got the perfect photo proving it was a fumble.

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Ain't that some sh!t!!! Did not see the pic he was referencing, so no problem acknowledging this. Must have gotten a shot a split second later as I was told it clearly showed the ball loose with knees up. Crazy how two pictures out of context tell such different stories!

What, is not shown is the foot deep hole in the turf below his knee preventing it from touching.... Officials would never make a mistake and especially the one looking at replays. () MY 16 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER COULD HAVE DONE BETTER. () Still not the reason we lost. Way to many things done wrong on our part to be blaming the officials.

Must be this photo. Tough call to reverse, seeing his right hand not looking like it still has control of the ball. But I wear green and gold glasses.

Yeah but that photo doesn’t matter. The replays on the broadcast, in real time, made it super clear the knee was down. College officiating is horrible and they shouldn’t even have replay if they’re just going to fall back on “call stands” 90% of the time.

(01-06-2018 11:49 PM)Dukester Wrote:  I'll watch the game again on the bad calls, but either way they deserved to win. We shot ourselves in the foot too much with penalties, drops, and poor decisions on throws.

They had the better running game.

We made few big plays on offense. They made a big one on the pass.

I think they win that game 6/7 times out of 10 versus us.

I disagree strongly. Feel the exact opposite. JMU was the better team, but the guys played tight in the first half, and the continued dropped passes and questionable calls didn't help. JMU wins a best of 10.

(01-07-2018 08:29 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It looks like knee is down. Ball still in possession. One of many bush league calls by the officials throughout.
When they blow a call on the very first play of the game, you know you’re dealing with a **** crew.

Agree that the blown first call on the first play of the game was disturbing. Why didn't they simply call for a replay? Then again, the replay official seemed to be asleep on later calls, so despite clearly being an incomplete pass he might have let it "stand"

I think the Dukes could have easily won but if the teams played again tomorrow Bizzzzon would be favored by 3.5 or so again. Take it for what you will.

(01-06-2018 11:49 PM)Dukester Wrote:  I'll watch the game again on the bad calls, but either way they deserved to win. We shot ourselves in the foot too much with penalties, drops, and poor decisions on throws.

They had the better running game.

We made few big plays on offense. They made a big one on the pass.

I think they win that game 6/7 times out of 10 versus us.

We lose a lot this year. I felt this time last year we would be the team to beat this year.

I'm not sure how good we will be next year. Based on Mike Houston I guess at least a top 8 team. Defensive line, and a little bit QB, I just don't know.

I am going with Dukester on this. Remember they pressured Bryan on the first interception, they stripped Riley(and to me it was too close to overturn) and they dropped an easy interception on another drive in the second quarter I think. And NDSU overcame what could have been a disastrous special teams performance from them. They did not score in the second half but they did not need to, and what I mean is they would have been more aggressive if we had taken the lead at some point.

We had offensive line questions/issues all year, drops a lot of the year(Weber State game for sure and others) and Bryan was not quite as accurate as last year. NDSU defense was the best unit on the field yesterday, partly because of problems we never totally corrected all year.

They won so I am giving them credit. We had a great year, especially overcoming our offensive line inexperience and injuries.

(01-07-2018 12:49 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 11:49 PM)Dukester Wrote:  I'll watch the game again on the bad calls, but either way they deserved to win. We shot ourselves in the foot too much with penalties, drops, and poor decisions on throws.

They had the better running game.

We made few big plays on offense. They made a big one on the pass.

I think they win that game 6/7 times out of 10 versus us.

We lose a lot this year. I felt this time last year we would be the team to beat this year.

I'm not sure how good we will be next year. Based on Mike Houston I guess at least a top 8 team. Defensive line, and a little bit QB, I just don't know.

I am going with Dukester on this. Remember they pressured Bryan on the first interception, they stripped Riley(and to me it was too close to overturn) and they dropped an easy interception on another drive in the second quarter I think. And NDSU overcame what could have been a disastrous special teams performance from them. They did not score in the second half but they did not need to, and what I mean is they would have been more aggressive if we had taken the lead at some point.

We had offensive line questions/issues all year, drops a lot of the year(Weber State game for sure and others) and Bryan was not quite as accurate as last year. NDSU defense was the best unit on the field yesterday, partly because of problems we never totally corrected all year.

They won so I am giving them credit. We had a great year, especially overcoming our offensive line inexperience and injuries.

Other than a blown pass defense on a 3rd and 17, I'd disagree. Obviously, NDSU won, but JMU's D just shut out NDSU in the second half, and it was only the mistakes (like dropped passes or poorly thrown balls by Schor) that kept JMU from scoring more than 7 in the second half.

NDSU D was opportunistic, but they weren't the best on the field yesterday.

JMU Defense wanted it more that NDSU Offense

NDSU Defense wanted it more that JMU Offense

In the possession to determine the Championship, they stopped us twice (sans the fake punt trickery). We had first down on 19 yard line - then failed on 4th and 16, give NDSU credit for the win.

(01-07-2018 08:29 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It looks like knee is down. Ball still in possession. One of many bush league calls by the officials throughout.
When they blow a call on the very first play of the game, you know you’re dealing with a **** crew.

There's a good photo in the Richmond Times Dispatch today, but it's still not conclusive. It looks like Riley's knee is about to touch or just touched but the ball is clearly out.

(01-07-2018 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:29 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It looks like knee is down. Ball still in possession. One of many bush league calls by the officials throughout.
When they blow a call on the very first play of the game, you know you’re dealing with a **** crew.

Agree that the blown first call on the first play of the game was disturbing. Why didn't they simply call for a replay? Then again, the replay official seemed to be asleep on later calls, so despite clearly being an incomplete pass he might have let it "stand"

I still don't understand the replay rule in college football. Any close play?, does the coach call for it?.
I don't think many on this board heard the announcer quickly state maybe the ref thought it was a backwards pass which resulted in a recovered fumble.

(01-07-2018 02:56 PM)JMU83 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:29 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It looks like knee is down. Ball still in possession. One of many bush league calls by the officials throughout.
When they blow a call on the very first play of the game, you know you’re dealing with a **** crew.

Agree that the blown first call on the first play of the game was disturbing. Why didn't they simply call for a replay? Then again, the replay official seemed to be asleep on later calls, so despite clearly being an incomplete pass he might have let it "stand"

I still don't understand the replay rule in college football. Any close play?, does the coach call for it?.
I don't think many on this board heard the announcer quickly state maybe the ref thought it was a backwards pass which resulted in a recovered fumble.

I heard the announcer suggest that maybe it was a backwards pass, but it still deserved a review. I don’t have the game taped, so perhaps someone who does can confirm, but it did look like a forward pass to me and an incomplete.

I saw the pic from Richmond Times Dispatch and the reason why the ball is loose in that pic is because after Stapleton went down, he bounced back up off the ground and the ball came out. If you look closer at his positioning in the two pics posted, you'll see that in the Richmond one, he is lower to the ground as it was taken a little while after he was initially down.

Edit: The second pic in this thread isn't the one from the Richmond article I saw.

(01-07-2018 04:16 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 02:56 PM)JMU83 Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 12:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-07-2018 08:29 AM)Potomac Wrote:  It looks like knee is down. Ball still in possession. One of many bush league calls by the officials throughout.
When they blow a call on the very first play of the game, you know you’re dealing with a **** crew.

Agree that the blown first call on the first play of the game was disturbing. Why didn't they simply call for a replay? Then again, the replay official seemed to be asleep on later calls, so despite clearly being an incomplete pass he might have let it "stand"

I still don't understand the replay rule in college football. Any close play?, does the coach call for it?.
I don't think many on this board heard the announcer quickly state maybe the ref thought it was a backwards pass which resulted in a recovered fumble.

I heard the announcer suggest that maybe it was a backwards pass, but it still deserved a review. I don’t have the game taped, so perhaps someone who does can confirm, but it did look like a forward pass to me and an incomplete.

The pass went forward without doubt. They just messed up. How in the world do you miss that in the NC game? Not that it had a big impact, but that was so obvious.

(01-06-2018 08:38 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 08:13 PM)Dignan Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 04:36 PM)JMUska Wrote:  What’s the point of having replay if they just let the call stand every time? NDSU probably would have scored he first time anyway, but the guy was clearly down before putting ball across goal line. Stapleton was also obviously down. College football is such a poor on field product.

Yeah I agree that the NDSU RB was down on the first touchdown but I also don’t think that call would have mattered much as it would have been really unlikely to stop them from 4 inches out. The Stapleton “fumble” was the biggest one to me.

That said, I think the biggest impact plays were drops by the receivers and RB’s. That and I firmly believe that poor clock management at the end of the first half caused JMU to settle for 3 instead of getting a TD. JMU just didn’t execute today.

The call to kick the FG at the end of the first half was a pure judgement call. If JMU fans haven’t figured it out yet, it’s in Coach Houston’s nature to always opt for the conservative, and safest option. Kicking and taking the points was conservative, but it did put points on the board and it sent JMU to the locker room on an uptick. Failing to convert and going away without any points with 6 seconds left would have been a complete disaster. MH opted to take half-a-loaf. In the end JMU still had a chance to win in the 4th, but our players just failed to make that one play needed to score another TD.

At the end of the half, we screwed up on the next to last play (one that ended up being PI). We should have taken a timeout but instead let 4-5 extra seconds go off the clock snapping the ball. We would have had time for a play from the 5 then.

But I don't think that cost us the game and neither did the refs. We just dropped too many passes and couldn't block their pass rush.

(01-07-2018 04:49 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 08:38 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 08:13 PM)Dignan Wrote:  

(01-06-2018 04:36 PM)JMUska Wrote:  What’s the point of having replay if they just let the call stand every time? NDSU probably would have scored he first time anyway, but the guy was clearly down before putting ball across goal line. Stapleton was also obviously down. College football is such a poor on field product.

Yeah I agree that the NDSU RB was down on the first touchdown but I also don’t think that call would have mattered much as it would have been really unlikely to stop them from 4 inches out. The Stapleton “fumble” was the biggest one to me.

That said, I think the biggest impact plays were drops by the receivers and RB’s. That and I firmly believe that poor clock management at the end of the first half caused JMU to settle for 3 instead of getting a TD. JMU just didn’t execute today.

The call to kick the FG at the end of the first half was a pure judgement call. If JMU fans haven’t figured it out yet, it’s in Coach Houston’s nature to always opt for the conservative, and safest option. Kicking and taking the points was conservative, but it did put points on the board and it sent JMU to the locker room on an uptick. Failing to convert and going away without any points with 6 seconds left would have been a complete disaster. MH opted to take half-a-loaf. In the end JMU still had a chance to win in the 4th, but our players just failed to make that one play needed to score another TD.

At the end of the half, we screwed up on the next to last play (one that ended up being PI). We should have taken a timeout but instead let 4-5 extra seconds go off the clock snapping the ball. We would have had time for a play from the 5 then.

But I don't think that cost us the game and neither did the refs. We just dropped too many passes and couldn't block their pass rush.

Plus we should of called a TO with 1:01 on their 4th & 1.

Plus we should of not called a TO right after they did with 43 second left in the half.


Plus we should have our Senior QB take a shot at a quick slant with 6 seconds and the ball at the 5 down two touchdowns going into halftime.

A touchdown going into halftime would of been huge, and we made four poor clock decisions. We could of been only one score down in the second half. How big a difference would that of made.

This has happened 3 straight games to end the first half in the playoffs.

We got lucky and got a TD versus SDSU in spite of our poor clock management.

Watching the game on tape - the announcers were thinking the same thing.

at the same time, if Ratke kicks the FG 1 foot to the right, it's a 17-16 game in the dying seconds and we have a FG attempt to win.

there were dozens of self inflicted mistakes all across the board that cost us the game. It was a bad day at the office at the wrong time.