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After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
Gotta love the dms... Hillary destroying an email server *no big deal" but Trump is obstructing?
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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
(12-22-2017 08:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Obstruction looks like it's a given at this point. Now, there just trying to figure out why.

A given? Based on what? He hasnt fired Mueller or impeaded his investigation---though there is arguably reason to. Yes, he fired Comey (who was originally hired by Obama and was hated by both repubublicans AND democrats when he fired)--but he didnt stop the investigation. He has cooperated with the investigation. The only thing he has done is put in a good word for his old campaign manager (Unless we have revoked the constitution---Im pretty sure the president still has the right to express an opinion that someone is a good man).

Contrast that behavior with the Mueller investigation that has failed even inspect the actual servers that were hacked (you'd think that would be step one of the process). Not to mention the Mueller investigtion has now been exposed as being filled with bias--loaded with Trump hating Hillary activists who clearly saw it as a political weapon to reverse an election. Oh---and dont forget---we've got an FBI that is effectively in contempt of the Senate by stonewalling on providing documents demanded by the Senate.

Just an FYI--we are now 18 months into this investigation. The first 8 months were conducted by the Obama administration. Over a year was conducted by an FBI headed by an Obama appointee and full of staffers loyal to the Obama administration. The investigation has used all the powers and technical capabilities available to every intelligence and law enforcement agency of the federal government (including wiretaps and electronic survellience). Despite a change in administration after inauguration, the case continues to be prosecuted by a cast of characters that is clearly hostile to the Trump administration. Despite all that--the only charges resulting from the investigation after a year and half involve people lying to cover up errors in security clearance/election paperwork and shady financial dealings years before the Trump campaign even formed.

Now contrast that with Watergate. Within 8 months, there were numerous people charged, tried, and convicted of criminal activity as a direct result of the scandal. Within 24 months of the night of the break in--the president was nearing impeachment and chose to resign. That was accomplished without a single wire tap and with no electronic survellience and no help from the most of the nations spy agencies. The most striking thing----that entire investigation was performed with the Nixon administration running the justice department.

In short--if there was really anything of significance to the charge of collusion---we would know by now and people would already be in jail. If a hostile administration using electronic survelliance, wire taps, and all 17 intelligence/law enforcement agencies couldnt find anything in 7 months---well--the reason is because there isnt any collusion to find.
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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
(12-22-2017 02:02 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  I know of none.

In alternate reality, yes. In the real world, there is more evidence of collusion than evidence of Obama wiretapping.
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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
(12-22-2017 10:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 08:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Obstruction looks like it's a given at this point. Now, there just trying to figure out why.

Just an FYI--we are now 18 months in this investigation. The first 8 months were conducted by an Obama administration. Over a year was conducted by an FBI headed by an Obama appointee. The investigation has used all the powers and technical capabilities available to every intelligence and law enforcement agency of the federal government (including wiretaps and electronic survellience). Despite a change in administration after inauguration, the case continues to be prosecuted by a cast of characters that is clearly hostile to the Trump administration. Despite all that--the only charges resulting from the investigation involve people lying to cover up errors in security clearance/election paperwork and shady financial dealings years before the Trump campaign even formed.

Now contrast that with Watergate. Within 8 months, there were numerous people charged, tried, and convicted of criminal activity as a direct result of the scandal. Within 24 months, of the night of the break in--the president was nearing impeachment and chose to resign. That was accomplished without a single wire tap and with no electronic survellience and no help from the most of the nations spy agencies. The most striking thing----that entire investigation was performed with the Nixon administration running the justice department.

In short--if there was really anything of significance to the charge of collusion---we would know by know and people would already be in jail. If a hostile administration using electronic survelliance, wire taps, and all 17 intelligence/law enforcement agencies couldnt find anything in 7 months---well--the reason is because there isnt any collusion to find.

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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
(12-22-2017 10:46 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 02:02 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  I know of none.

In alternate reality, yes. In the real world, there is more evidence of collusion than evidence of Obama wiretapping.

Do tell.
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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
So far nothing at all. After all this time, very soon, even a Gruber will need to see some sort of hard evidence. If none is forthcoming, then let the man go about his job.
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The Democrats lost an election that all of their followers and the MSM believed was in the bag. Well, they lost. How could this have happened!!! Trump and the Republicans must've cheated.

So they start this drum banging, but really, largely all that's been revealed is that Flynn lied to the FBI. Meanwhile, we come to find out that the Democrats and the Clinton campaign were busy trying rig the general election after rigging the Democratic primary.

..........and the Dems are still holding out hope for an impeachment.......geesh.

Hopefully they'll ignore flyover country just like the last time.
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(12-22-2017 02:02 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  I know of none.

You seem really obsessed with this Russia collusion issue.
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After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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(12-22-2017 11:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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(12-22-2017 11:32 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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RE: After a full year, how much ACTUAL evidence of Trump/Russia collusion is there?
(12-22-2017 11:32 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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That was the SOTU for the last 5 years.
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(12-23-2017 05:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:32 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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That was the SOTU for the last 5 years.

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(12-23-2017 06:21 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 05:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:32 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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Yep. That clip in a nutshell shows just how clueless Obama was on how businesses make choices on where they make things and why they make those choices.

The business world (people in general) don't like uncertainty and will hedge spending money if they think those in power may pull the rug out. Obama spent his entire time in office threatening to make the business climate worse with higher taxes and more regulations - the business world logically sat on their hands for 8 years.

That the US economy grew at all (it barely did) was in spite of Obumble........and I guarantee he still doesn't get it. His only view is that of the government running everything, a true socialist and he still doesn't realize that, in general, the government sucks at doing anything.
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(12-23-2017 07:54 AM)Crebman Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 06:21 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-23-2017 05:35 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:32 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  
(12-22-2017 11:14 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I'm looking forward to the SOTU.

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That was the SOTU for the last 5 years.

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Yep. That clip in a nutshell shows just how clueless Obama was on how businesses make choices on where they make things and why they make those choices.

The business world (people in general) don't like uncertainty and will hedge spending money if they think those in power may pull the rug out. Obama spent his entire time in office threatening to make the business climate worse with higher taxes and more regulations - the business world logically sat on their hands for 8 years.

That the US economy grew at all (it barely did) was in spite of Obumble........and I guarantee he still doesn't get it. His only view is that of the government running everything, a true socialist and he still doesn't realize that, in general, the government sucks at doing anything.

even the 'phants are beginning to take notice now....

told you guys DJT's main goal was to get the RNC up off their collective arses....

I get arguing semantics and methodology, but this would NEVER have happened if any other 'phant candidate or donk had won.....we'd still be mired in bureaucratic cow patties.....

history will view his achievements in yr. 1 as monumental in accomplishing goals AND methodology......

guess what's next on the agenda...............yep, infrastructure which will lead to more job creation.....

the low hanging fruit is everywhere......

in a sadistic way, I give thanks to ZERO for being so inept......sometimes, one has to go to hell before one can find heaven.....
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The ends always justifies the means. Trump obstructing justice will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. You won’t get a Republican Congress to do the right thing. He should already be impeached.
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(12-23-2017 09:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The ends always justifies the means. Trump obstructing justice will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. You won’t get a Republican Congress to do the right thing. He should already be impeached.

this battle is over unless you win the house back next year.....

two things to that...

1. it's said when partisanship is the premise vs. pragmatic policy

2. the odds of winning the house back is gaining on slim to none b/c of #1

what say you on DJT's next strategical move relative to focusing on infrastructure.....

Mach, you're going have to start coming with some relevant policy quickly that applies to the working class COUPLED with the subsidized......

the dem's economic policies are a loser all day and the eighth one.....I don't want to live in VZ bubby.....
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I’m absolutely amazed that they had emails on the Trump Tower meeting. That they had audio of Republican leaders saying they believe Putin pays off two people. That wasn’t D leaders boys. How in the hell didn’t THAT blow up????????? Never ever ever say that you guys are at a disadvantage in the media category. If that exact same situation would have happened in 08 we wouldn’t have gotten Obamacare or any D priorities. You guys get 1.5 trillion given to corporations under more trickle down mambo jumbo. They are already flush with cash and you guys think it will lead to higher wages and jobs. I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think I will be. The greatest con artist of the past two centuries. Putin ran the best espionage caper probably ever. He has a sitting President as an asset. Amazing really. Everybody knows it too, but we have tax cuts and Supreme Court justices to sit.
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