(12-25-2017 06:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 01:25 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  So, an update on racial relations in Memphis please. Anyone? I assume all is well now that a couple of statues are gone.

Race relations are actually fine in Memphis. However, the city is run by completely corrupt idiots. The mayor, a liberal, who is really a good guy, is as soft as chewing gum left in the sun for 3 days. He gets played like a fiddle and apparently he's fine with that. The incompetence of city officials is incredible here but it's not surprising.

Played by whom? Black people who are ridiculous in wanting remembrances of a great general and a great president taken down!?!

On this subject, he was played by the City Council.

Yep, and if someone really pushes the situation, the mayor could take a quick fall for these shenanigans.

(12-25-2017 06:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 01:25 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  So, an update on racial relations in Memphis please. Anyone? I assume all is well now that a couple of statues are gone.

Race relations are actually fine in Memphis. However, the city is run by completely corrupt idiots. The mayor, a liberal, who is really a good guy, is as soft as chewing gum left in the sun for 3 days. He gets played like a fiddle and apparently he's fine with that. The incompetence of city officials is incredible here but it's not surprising.

Played by whom? Black people who are ridiculous in wanting remembrances of a great general and a great president taken down!?!

On this subject, he was played by the City Council.

How can he be played when publicly his goal was to bring the statues down?

(12-25-2017 07:59 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 06:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 01:25 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 01:32 PM)VA49er Wrote:  So, an update on racial relations in Memphis please. Anyone? I assume all is well now that a couple of statues are gone.

Race relations are actually fine in Memphis. However, the city is run by completely corrupt idiots. The mayor, a liberal, who is really a good guy, is as soft as chewing gum left in the sun for 3 days. He gets played like a fiddle and apparently he's fine with that. The incompetence of city officials is incredible here but it's not surprising.

Played by whom? Black people who are ridiculous in wanting remembrances of a great general and a great president taken down!?!

On this subject, he was played by the City Council.

How can he be played when publicly his goal was to bring the statues down?

I was wrong, the Mayor was all for this by any means.

(12-25-2017 08:18 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 07:59 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 06:43 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(12-25-2017 01:25 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-24-2017 04:06 PM)450bench Wrote:  Race relations are actually fine in Memphis. However, the city is run by completely corrupt idiots. The mayor, a liberal, who is really a good guy, is as soft as chewing gum left in the sun for 3 days. He gets played like a fiddle and apparently he's fine with that. The incompetence of city officials is incredible here but it's not surprising.

Played by whom? Black people who are ridiculous in wanting remembrances of a great general and a great president taken down!?!

On this subject, he was played by the City Council.

How can he be played when publicly his goal was to bring the statues down?

I was wrong, the Mayor was all for this by any means.

From my understanding, the council had this plan months ago. Mayor Strickland was adament about trying to go through the THC and making sure any alternative was legal. I have seen some opinions critical of his method because the thought was any attempt to go through the THC was a pointless endeavor given the process was set-up to keep Memphis from making changes to its parks.

(12-23-2017 07:43 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 04:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Though it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

How does all of that square with the fact that it was the U.S. flag flying on slave ships rather than the confederate flag?

How many slave traders existed that were never residents of southern states? How many slave owners never lived ins southern states?

Do all symbols need to be eradicated or only certain symbols?

“Whataboutism?” That’s where you go?

Rather than trying to understand why Jeff and Nate had to go? Instead of understanding that if some other entity bought those statues and put them somewhere else that wasn’t honoring in the name of an entire city including people those two man would have gladly kept in chains even if it meant killing other Americans?

How about you stay on point. Why should Memphis honor Forrest, Davis, and the Confederacy? Why were the statues put up in 1905 and in the 1960s when black Memphians were oppressed and not given any power by city government? Why can’t some the Sons of Confederate Veterans built a shrine and show off the statues and name the gardens after these men?

No, it's not whataboutism.

It's the next stage of the attack.

If a person agrees that conferedate-related items MUST be removed due to ties to slavery, then they will be expected to agree that any item related to slavery must be removed.

Again, the radical left's game is too easy to see through now.

While I thought the statues should have come down years ago. This was done a bit shady. To defy the State laws they sold the properties WAY under market value and without much if an public notice.

Strickland does realize this will severely hamper our relationship with Nashville who can cut off a significant portion of funding for Memphis right? I don't think Jim Strickland is a dumb man at all. He must have some back up plans for this. One can hope.

Will this stop the protests and other violence and general racial tension in this city? I guess will have to wait and see but I'm a little pessimistic on that.

What relationship with Nashville?

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Cultural genocide...

While they were erecting these statues, they should’ve put resources into honoring the black history of the time as well. The first cultural genocide occurred when they tried to hide that bit of history.

(12-27-2017 02:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  While they were erecting these statues, they should’ve put resources into honoring the black history of the time as well. The first cultural genocide occurred when they tried to hide that bit of history.

Geeez, when will people stop placing todays ideas in the past. It never has nor never will work that way.

(12-27-2017 02:50 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 02:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  While they were erecting these statues, they should’ve put resources into honoring the black history of the time as well. The first cultural genocide occurred when they tried to hide that bit of history.

Geeez, when will people stop placing todays ideas in the past. It never has nor never will work that way.

I'm just spitballing here. I do agree that you can't put today's ideas in the past, but I think it's worth a conversation.

(12-27-2017 02:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  While they were erecting these statues, they should’ve put resources into honoring the black history of the time as well. The first cultural genocide occurred when they tried to hide that bit of history.

Hmm... The Sons of Confederate Veterans in 1905 and the Memphis powers that be in 1960-something that put up a Jefferson Davis during the Civil Rights movement were really passionate about black history.

(12-27-2017 02:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  While they were erecting these statues, they should’ve put resources into honoring the black history of the time as well. The first cultural genocide occurred when they tried to hide that bit of history.

We have black history all over SE VA. There is a Jefferson Davis Middle School and a section of town called Lee Hall (R E Lee literally had a hall there during the campaign)... As well as some General Magruder honors. Almost everything else is named after either a Revolutionary War figure or a black leader. Probably 3x as many black history figures as confederates.

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(12-27-2017 04:00 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-27-2017 02:21 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  While they were erecting these statues, they should’ve put resources into honoring the black history of the time as well. The first cultural genocide occurred when they tried to hide that bit of history.

We have black history all over SE VA. There is a Jefferson Davis Middle School and a section of town called Lee Hall (R E Lee literally had a hall there during the campaign)... As well as some General Magruder honors. Almost everything else is named after either a Revolutionary War figure or a black leader. Probably 3x as many black history figures as confederates.

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let's simply pull all references to anything historical and just come with this scratch.....it 'pops' an emphatic cap in Kommissar

(12-27-2017 11:00 AM)fsquid Wrote:  What relationship with Nashville?

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