(12-21-2017 04:21 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Why would Memphis have a statue of a KKK Grand Wizard?

Nobody responded to this post for 2 hours, so you had to reply to yourself to get things going...? #attentionstarved

What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Through it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

I find it funny that the good people of Memphis erected one statue at the point when they adopted a new round of Jim Crow laws and the other in the midst of the civil rights movement in 1964. It was purely motivated by history.

Pretty sure it was just heritage not hate when fans of opponents of the University of Houston started bringing Confederate flags to games when Warren McVea was playing for the Cougars and opposing bands began playing Dixie throughout games.

Near my home the heritage not hate people fly Confederate flags yet they live in a county that was opposed to secession and sent many a young man into the war wearing a blue uniform, some of them even paid for a billboard that says "Anti-Racist is a Code Word for Anti-White" or the young ladies who put a banner saying "Diversity = Genocide". They are all about heritage not hate.

I was a Civil War buff growing up, and a crap ton of Confederate imagery but I grew up and started giving a **** about how my actions would be seen by other people.

(12-22-2017 08:24 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I believe Memphis has a big problem with the way this was done. The CC voted on it yesterday afternoon and by night fall was removing the Monuments in the middle of the night. Oh! and the land deal was done under the table.

One parcel of land is on the Shelby County Appraiser's books valued at $2,300,000. It was sold for $1,000 to a newly formed non-profit.

No public notice of intent to sell was posted.

Public tax-payer land sold at less than 1% of its value does not sound like a fiscally responsible transaction.

Democrats?

(12-21-2017 09:27 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 09:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There are a lot of books about Forrest. Get to burning.

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I have a Confederate flag in my garage and a prints of Lee & NBF in my home. I’d love for the goofy mayor or any of those activists to come attempt to remove them.

Easy there tough guy. Nobody is talking about seizing private property.

(12-22-2017 03:27 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 08:24 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-21-2017 07:47 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  I believe Memphis has a big problem with the way this was done. The CC voted on it yesterday afternoon and by night fall was removing the Monuments in the middle of the night. Oh! and the land deal was done under the table.

One parcel of land is on the Shelby County Appraiser's books valued at $2,300,000. It was sold for $1,000 to a newly formed non-profit.

No public notice of intent to sell was posted.

Public tax-payer land sold at less than 1% of its value does not sound like a fiscally responsible transaction.

Democrats?

lol... kinda goes without saying.

(12-22-2017 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Though it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

How does all of that square with the fact that it was the U.S. flag flying on slave ships rather than the confederate flag?

How many slave traders existed that were never residents of southern states? How many slave owners never lived ins southern states?

Do all symbols need to be eradicated or only certain symbols?

This is all an exertion of political power. Hey, we have the raw power to do things you don't approve of and there isn't a thing you can do about it. Nyah, nyah, nyah.

And its true they do have that power, and as voters, that right. If people were so concerned about what Memphis was to become maybe they shouldn't have fled to the suburbs and instead stayed and worked together. You can't flee and then still demand to control it from afar.

The fate of those historical objects lies entirely with the voters of Memphis. What they are doing makes me incredibly sad as a lover of history and I think it is petty and short-sighted....but it is their city and their right to be so.

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(12-22-2017 04:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  This is all an exertion of political power. Hey, we have the raw power to do things you don't approve of and there isn't a thing you can do about it. Nyah, nyah, nyah.

And its true they do have that power, and as voters, that right. If people were so concerned about what Memphis was to become maybe they shouldn't have fled to the suburbs and instead stayed and worked together. You can't flee and then still demand to control it from afar.

The fate of those historical objects lies entirely with the voters of Memphis. What they are doing makes me incredibly sad as a lover of history and I think it is petty and short-sighted....but it is their city and their right to be so.

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I was born and raised in Memphis. Chose to live in Memphis. Could've moved outside the city limits but didn't want to.

Then my mayor stated getting all racist on us. Didn't matter. No big deal.

But then during one news interview talking about white people he said, "If they don't like it they can move."

So guess what. I did.



Yep. Moved across that artificial line that divides one county from another. On one side of that line I was paying THE highest property tax rate in the state of Tennessee. The entire state. Country music stars living in mansions outside of Nashville were paying a lower rate than me.

But when I went across that imaginary line I went from paying the highest property tax rate to paying the LOWEST property tax rate in the state.

I still live in the same metro area. Still do all the same stuff at the same places.

I just don't give them my hard-earned money in the form of property tax dollars.

(12-22-2017 05:03 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 04:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  This is all an exertion of political power. Hey, we have the raw power to do things you don't approve of and there isn't a thing you can do about it. Nyah, nyah, nyah.

And its true they do have that power, and as voters, that right. If people were so concerned about what Memphis was to become maybe they shouldn't have fled to the suburbs and instead stayed and worked together. You can't flee and then still demand to control it from afar.

The fate of those historical objects lies entirely with the voters of Memphis. What they are doing makes me incredibly sad as a lover of history and I think it is petty and short-sighted....but it is their city and their right to be so.

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I was born and raised in Memphis. Chose to live in Memphis. Could've moved outside the city limits but didn't want to.

Then my mayor stated getting all racist on us. Didn't matter. No big deal.

But then during one news interview talking about white people he said, "If they don't like it they can move."

So guess what. I did.



Yep. Moved across that artificial line that divides one county from another. On one side of that line I was paying THE highest property tax rate in the state of Tennessee. The entire state. Country music stars living in mansions outside of Nashville were paying a lower rate than me.

But when I went across that imaginary line I went from paying the highest property tax rate to paying the LOWEST property tax rate in the state.

I still live in the same metro area. Still do all the same stuff at the same places.

I just don't give them my hard-earned money in the form of property tax dollars.

Two countries inside one country is what is being created. Sort of ironic.

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(12-22-2017 04:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Though it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

How does all of that square with the fact that it was the U.S. flag flying on slave ships rather than the confederate flag?

How many slave traders existed that were never residents of southern states? How many slave owners never lived ins southern states?

Do all symbols need to be eradicated or only certain symbols?

Yeah, its a only a short step to saying the same things about Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington.

Now I don't think Forrest should be honored because of Ft. Pillow. But eliminating Confederates basically is whitewashing out of history everyone born between 1800 and 1850 in the South.

And Texas history books are just fine. Its impossible to please absolute morons who get upset about the word worker used for people who are working and the morons who sympathize with them. Some people are just determined to be offended.

Its the rest of the history books that have been distorted. Like the Georgia history book that says slavery was one of the primary reasons Texas wanted to be independent from Mexico. Not a SINGLE word of forced conversion to Roman Catholicism, moving the state capital 1000 miles away, jailing the Father of Texas for simply petitioning for moving the capital back, revoking the Mexican constitution or massacres of Mexican citizens in Zacatecas and elsewhere.

Or talking about the loss of the buffalo being due to loss of habitat. I guess Native Americans don't get history written their way, only environmentalists and the snowflakes who are offended by everything. Lots of stuff about Hispanics and Blacks and Chinese being discriminated against in the west. Of course, the buffalo were lost because the federal government made it a policy to wipe out the buffalo to starve the Indians back onto the reservation. But not a SINGLE word about that.

(12-22-2017 04:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Though it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

How does all of that square with the fact that it was the U.S. flag flying on slave ships rather than the confederate flag?

How many slave traders existed that were never residents of southern states? How many slave owners never lived ins southern states?

Do all symbols need to be eradicated or only certain symbols?

“Whataboutism?” That’s where you go?

Rather than trying to understand why Jeff and Nate had to go? Instead of understanding that if some other entity bought those statues and put them somewhere else that wasn’t honoring in the name of an entire city including people those two man would have gladly kept in chains even if it meant killing other Americans?

How about you stay on point. Why should Memphis honor Forrest, Davis, and the Confederacy? Why were the statues put up in 1905 and in the 1960s when black Memphians were oppressed and not given any power by city government? Why can’t some the Sons of Confederate Veterans built a shrine and show off the statues and name the gardens after these men?

(12-22-2017 05:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 04:16 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-22-2017 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Though it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

How does all of that square with the fact that it was the U.S. flag flying on slave ships rather than the confederate flag?

How many slave traders existed that were never residents of southern states? How many slave owners never lived ins southern states?

Do all symbols need to be eradicated or only certain symbols?

Yeah, its a only a short step to saying the same things about Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and George Washington.

Now I don't think Forrest should be honored because of Ft. Pillow. But eliminating Confederates basically is whitewashing out of history everyone born between 1800 and 1850 in the South.

There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

You did the “Whataboutism” too.

Let’s review why Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Forrest, and Davis are remembered for....

Hmmm... Washington, Jefferson, and Madison; slave owners? Yes. Are they famous because of owning slaves? Nope. They are famous for being founders of the USA.

Forrest and Davis... what are they famous for? General of the Confederacy (who worked his way up from being a lowly solder and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, one of the first (if not the first) terrorist organizations in the US; and for being the one president of he CSA.

So why the hell do you try to balance the accomplishments for Confederate legends with the founding fathers?

once again, I live in Forrest country (named after NBF)......

also, Hattiesburg is named after Capt. Hardy's wife (from wiki....In 1861, Hardy raised Company H of the 16th Mississippi Infantry Regiment, of which he was elected Captain. He served with this unit until October 1862, when illness forced his resignation. In April 1864 he was appointed an Aide de Camp by General Argyle Smith, in which capacity he served until the end of the war)


not one time have I given one thought about it once I was informed of such after we moved here, nor do I, or anyone else I know give two shites about it to this day.....

it's simply a tag that defines a point on the map.....

#sjwmorons

(12-22-2017 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  What I wrote today to brother in Blue & Gray:

If you think Nathan Bedford Forrest is a redemption story, that’s your business. Cheer it and spread your feeling about that. But the man did not deserve to be memorialized and he was memorialized by a city at a time where black people were second class “citizens” for his actions fighting for a traitorous group who rebelled against the country in order to keep slavery going; slavery which was the source of his wealth.

The history books... funny you say that. Don’t see you raising cane when states like Texas humanize the system of slavery which don’t describe the process with the true picture of how bad things were in their history books. There is a difference between history and monuments. Those statues of Forrest and Davis were hero worship of a symbolic nature. They were messages praising a period when Memphis had slavery and fought to keep it. No one is going to the National Civil Rights Museum and changing any information about the CSA and how it fought to keep slavery going. There just won’t be praise in a very public venue honoring these men for defending slavery.

You talk about underhanded. You know what is underhanded? When East and Middle Tennessee officials who cannot be elected by Memphians decide what is appropriate for the Citizens of Memphis to do with property owned by the Citizens of Memphis. Men who cannot suffer consequences at the ballot box who make a decision on something which will not affect any other areas of the state of Tennessee. All because of what is ultimately an undercurrent of racism. You know the reason they changed the law? Because the City of Memphis elected officials had the audacity to have a panel to publicly discuss whether the Confederate honoring city owned parks should be renamed because there had been a very vocal movement for years to change the names. They didn’t allow the COM to make its own determination to have people like you come in an explain why you disagreed. So when the city had to find an alternative way, that got UNANIMOUS support from the City Council (which has some white Repubs on it BTW) it was actually a legal move that works around the Tennessee Historical Commission which was empowered just to stop the COM from making any changes.

Keep a couple things in mind... the actions of the State and THC are no different than a southern history of blocking efforts of progress. It’s no different than how when black people tried to vote, Southern officials put so many obstacles in the way to prevent things from happening. You basically don’t want Memphians to have its own say on Memphis property; you basically think Memphis needs overseers. The real question is why do you think such an unjust system is what is needed for Memphis to lead itself?

The other thing? Though it all; have you ever had the thought that it could have been you under Nathan Bedford Forrest’s whip? That it could have been your great-great-great-great-granddaddy Forrest had on the auction block? That it could have been your great-great-great-grandmama that Forrest sold to some cruel master to be his cook and concubine? Have you ever really thought that you could have been a slave in Memphis, TN but by act of God you were born a century later? But you had to drive by this statue of a man who made his fortune selling people who looked like you and made his name fighting to keep people like you in chains and in a cotton field? And this man is treated like a hero on land meant to be for all Memphians? And that is alright for you because you don’t believe mistakes need to be corrected because you think people won’t know the history because a symbol has been removed in the name of progress!?!

Yeah bruh, I’m never going to forget the name of Nathan Bedford Forrest like I’ll never forget the names Adolf Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. And I never had statues of them to snicker at.

You know what, your points are well stated. You have changed my mind. If Memphians want to remove those statues from public property, have at it.

And I also agree with your later post about Washington and Jefferson being different than Forrest and Davis as they were famous for leading in the fight for the birth of this nation.

How long before we start burning history books and blocking the civil war and slavery from being mentioned in school? If it is too much for grown adults to see a statue, how can the kids be expected to cope with it in books?

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(12-23-2017 08:17 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  How long before we start burning history books and blocking the civil war and slavery from being mentioned in school? If it is too much for grown adults to see a statue, how can the kids be expected to cope with it in books?

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it's truly sad how brainwashed these stupid ******* are.....

Every statue of every Roman General and Emperor was created to honor them. Do we need to analyze their biographies to see if they are saints by modern standards and then start smashing those that were not?

Does this apply to paintings? Busts? Presidential Libraries? Mausoleums? Memorial Stones? Dedication Plaques? Lee Chapel?

Does it apply to books written that praise Rommel, Forrest, Lee, Bomber Harris, or Harry Truman?

Buildings named to honor Robert Byrd? J. Edgar Hoover?

Do all the Jefferson Street addresses have to change?

What exactly are the rules of this cultural revolution and how extensive is it to be?

Can we just get a finalized list onstead of dragging this out?

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(12-23-2017 09:01 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Every statue of every Roman General and Emperor was created to honor them. Do we need to analyze their biographies to see if they are saints by modern standards and then start smashing those that were not?

Does this apply to paintings? Busts? Presidential Libraries? Mausoleums? Memorial Stones? Dedication Plaques? Lee Chapel?

Does it apply to books written that praise Rommel, Forrest, Lee, Bomber Harris, or Harry Truman?

Buildings named to honor Robert Byrd? J. Edgar Hoover?

Do all the Jefferson Street addresses have to change?

What exactly are the rules of this cultural revolution and how extensive is it to be?

Can we just get a finalized list onstead of dragging this out?

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yep.....it's called genetic engineering via binary code.....

it's just not going to happen in our lifetime.....but it will one day....then it won't mean squawdouche