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(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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Is it too late to hold off for another year and get state approval for spending more? Somehow I don't think VT and UVA had these problems when they were building stadiums, and that was before huge TV money came to them.

Forgive me if this is an ignorant thought: if we are potentially going to get a poor man's stadium due to finances, why not just build it a half at a time? Can one of the clam-shells not last another couple years?
I'd rather get a nice stadium in stages and finance over time, than just saying - oh well, that's all 50 something million could get us.

Let's schedule 10 more games at Liberty, then maybe we can build a real FBS Stadium.

Perhaps we can partner with an XFL franchise to help generate more revenue...provided they come...

There's only going to be 8 XFL teams. They'll start play around January/February. They won't need to build anything. They'll just pay rent to use stadiums that are unused at that time of year; MLB, NFL, NCAA and MLS give them lots of options.

So if ODU knew it could get rent from the XFL for a few years it could put that money toward the stadium. Though I wouldnt count on the XFL lasting more than a few years, and Id rather the Monarchs not have the competition. But hey, if it gets us a better stadium Im all for it.

And it's Friday... do we expect any stadium news this afternoon... say about 4:45pm?

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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Correct. ODU is not getting a San Diego state stadium...EVER. It is what it is. We will be a low-mid FBS level program, with maybe 1 year out of 5-6yrs (if we're lucky) getting to the championship game. With the current bowl system, there's no reason to not get to a bowl every season (at the very least 3 out of 4 years). However, dreams of becoming another UCF (or Marshall a few years ago) will be just those..hopes not reality.

(01-26-2018 11:37 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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Correct. ODU is not getting a San Diego state stadium...EVER. It is what it is. We will be a low-mid FBS level program, with maybe 1 year out of 5-6yrs (if we're lucky) getting to the championship game. With the current bowl system, there's no reason to not get to a bowl every season (at the very least 3 out of 4 years). However, dreams of becoming another UCF (or Marshall a few years ago) will be just those..hopes not reality.

Thats depressing. If the goal is not to become a UCF or even ECU, Marshall, NIU, Navy level, I would rather have stayed FCS. I understand it would take time to build a team to that level, but seriously, one has to have the access bowl as the ultimate goal if they're FBS G5. Otherwise, why even play at that level? That should be the stated goal of every team in the G5.

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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I don’t want to believe you, so until the announcement is made...this is fake news.

(01-26-2018 12:02 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 11:37 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

Correct. ODU is not getting a San Diego state stadium...EVER. It is what it is. We will be a low-mid FBS level program, with maybe 1 year out of 5-6yrs (if we're lucky) getting to the championship game. With the current bowl system, there's no reason to not get to a bowl every season (at the very least 3 out of 4 years). However, dreams of becoming another UCF (or Marshall a few years ago) will be just those..hopes not reality.

Thats depressing. If the goal is not to become a UCF or even ECU, Marshall, NIU, Navy level, I would rather have stayed FCS. I understand it would take time to build a team to that level, but seriously, one has to have the access bowl as the ultimate goal if they're FBS G5. Otherwise, why even play at that level? That should be the stated goal of every team in the G5.

What? Nuke never mentioned anything about our program's goals. Of course our goal is to win CUSA championships and compete for the access bowl.

He just said it's unrealistic to expect them to be the next UCF. Read slower, it might prevent you from having a conniption.

(01-26-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 12:02 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 11:37 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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Correct. ODU is not getting a San Diego state stadium...EVER. It is what it is. We will be a low-mid FBS level program, with maybe 1 year out of 5-6yrs (if we're lucky) getting to the championship game. With the current bowl system, there's no reason to not get to a bowl every season (at the very least 3 out of 4 years). However, dreams of becoming another UCF (or Marshall a few years ago) will be just those..hopes not reality.

Thats depressing. If the goal is not to become a UCF or even ECU, Marshall, NIU, Navy level, I would rather have stayed FCS. I understand it would take time to build a team to that level, but seriously, one has to have the access bowl as the ultimate goal if they're FBS G5. Otherwise, why even play at that level? That should be the stated goal of every team in the G5.

What? Nuke never mentioned anything about our program's goals. Of course our goal is to win CUSA championships and compete for the access bowl.

He just said it's unrealistic to expect them to be the next UCF. Read slower, it might prevent you from having a conniption.

Also, nukes opinion does not dictate the future.

(01-25-2018 07:59 PM)webster Wrote:  Forgive me if this is an ignorant thought: if we are potentially going to get a poor man's stadium due to finances, why not just build it a half at a time? Can one of the clam-shells not last another couple years?
I'd rather get a nice stadium in stages and finance over time, than just saying - oh well, that's all 50 something million could get us.

No. One factor is mobilization cost, which includes the set up and use of certain equipment. If you are going to demo 2 concrete structures, it is cost effective to do them at the same time. Another factor is material cost. The more you purchase, the cheaper the unit cost generally is.

What you are asking is essentially what we will be doing, just in different ways. We will build something that can be expanded/improved in the future. That is more effective than a full build out 50% at a time.

(01-26-2018 12:27 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 12:02 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 11:37 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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Correct. ODU is not getting a San Diego state stadium...EVER. It is what it is. We will be a low-mid FBS level program, with maybe 1 year out of 5-6yrs (if we're lucky) getting to the championship game. With the current bowl system, there's no reason to not get to a bowl every season (at the very least 3 out of 4 years). However, dreams of becoming another UCF (or Marshall a few years ago) will be just those..hopes not reality.

Thats depressing. If the goal is not to become a UCF or even ECU, Marshall, NIU, Navy level, I would rather have stayed FCS. I understand it would take time to build a team to that level, but seriously, one has to have the access bowl as the ultimate goal if they're FBS G5. Otherwise, why even play at that level? That should be the stated goal of every team in the G5.

What? Nuke never mentioned anything about our program's goals. Of course our goal is to win CUSA championships and compete for the access bowl.

He just said it's unrealistic to expect them to be the next UCF. Read slower, it might prevent you from having a conniption.

Also, nukes opinion does not dictate the future.

Agreed. LT, WKU, MT, WMU and FAU prove you don't need 40k+ in attendance to compete with the best in G5. But you need to be willing to take risks on hires.

(01-26-2018 12:22 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 12:02 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(01-26-2018 11:37 AM)Nukesquad Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 07:13 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Is it not reasonable to think that they have made the presentation to the "decision makers," as someone here called them and maybe they were underwhelmed by what they saw and the tweaking continues? I was told by someone I have faith is in the know way back when that it would be 20,000 seats and the look on my face was one of pure astonishment. I just didn't understand how that could be. If there was knowledge in some circles in the fall that this was the final plan, and they still haven't announced it, tells me they are still in the process of making changes, perhaps adding some of Ballard's ideas.

As I said once before, this project is so big and so important that the president at some point owes an explanation of what happened and why.

Based on my recent (after the last announcement) conversation with someone who is directly involved in the process, I don't think there is any major reconsideration going on behind the scenes at this point. They seemed resigned to the fact that we are only able to do so much with the current funding. I imagine they are tweaking designs a little, and possibly trying to determine if there is any possible way to add suites in this round, but I am fairly doubtful of that. Basically, I was told "we have a budget, and this is what it gets us."

I understand where they are, and can only be so angry about it at this point, but it is really a disappointment, and a concern for the future that we are unable to do more after putting so much time and effort into this.

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Correct. ODU is not getting a San Diego state stadium...EVER. It is what it is. We will be a low-mid FBS level program, with maybe 1 year out of 5-6yrs (if we're lucky) getting to the championship game. With the current bowl system, there's no reason to not get to a bowl every season (at the very least 3 out of 4 years). However, dreams of becoming another UCF (or Marshall a few years ago) will be just those..hopes not reality.

Thats depressing. If the goal is not to become a UCF or even ECU, Marshall, NIU, Navy level, I would rather have stayed FCS. I understand it would take time to build a team to that level, but seriously, one has to have the access bowl as the ultimate goal if they're FBS G5. Otherwise, why even play at that level? That should be the stated goal of every team in the G5.

What? Nuke never mentioned anything about our program's goals. Of course our goal is to win CUSA championships and compete for the access bowl.

He just said it's unrealistic to expect them to be the next UCF. Read slower, it might prevent you from having a conniption.

He says: "We will be a low-mid FBS level program". That is not Access Bowl quality.

I read "being the next UCF" which went to the AB this year, to mean being a team with the talent and resources to get to the access bowl. He said being the next UCF will be just dreams.. not reality. Therefore going to the access bowl will never be reality. It is also stated that we will never have a top level "San Diego St" G5 stadium. Why is that? The implication is because we do not have the aspiration or funding to compete at the level needed to reach the AB. I don't see where I misread anything. Maybe he's wrong.. but either way, its sad. I hope he is wrong. We will see.

(01-26-2018 12:34 PM)monarx Wrote:  He says: "We will be a low-mid FBS level program". That is not Access Bowl quality.

I read "being the next UCF" which went to the AB this year, to mean being a team with the talent and resources to get to the access bowl. He said being the next UCF will be just dreams.. not reality. Therefore going to the access bowl will never be reality. It is also stated that we will never have a top level "San Diego St" G5 stadium. Why is that? The implication is because we do not have the aspiration or funding to compete at the level needed to reach the AB. I don't see where I misread anything. Maybe he's wrong.. but either way, its sad. I hope he is wrong. We will see.

Nuke is talking about his own expectation. You were talking about our program's goals. Those are completely separate things.

(01-26-2018 12:28 PM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(01-25-2018 07:59 PM)webster Wrote:  Forgive me if this is an ignorant thought: if we are potentially going to get a poor man's stadium due to finances, why not just build it a half at a time? Can one of the clam-shells not last another couple years?
I'd rather get a nice stadium in stages and finance over time, than just saying - oh well, that's all 50 something million could get us.

No. One factor is mobilization cost, which includes the set up and use of certain equipment. If you are going to demo 2 concrete structures, it is cost effective to do them at the same time. Another factor is material cost. The more you purchase, the cheaper the unit cost generally is.

What you are asking is essentially what we will be doing, just in different ways. We will build something that can be expanded/improved in the future. That is more effective than a full build out 50% at a time.

That makes sense. Thanks for the info

Some of y'all are ridiculous. We've had football for nine years and some of you are making outlandish claims about our program "never" reaching a certain level. Most of the programs we aspire to compete against have had football for over 100 years.

(01-26-2018 01:10 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  Some of y'all are ridiculous. We've had football for nine years and some of you are making outlandish claims about our program "never" reaching a certain level. Most of the programs we aspire to compete against have had football for over 100 years.

This

The sad reality is all the hope and excitement that was generated just 5 or 6 years ago after we announced are plans to go FBS have died. That contagious dream of "Aim High" escalated all our expatiations. The Administration seemed to fuel our vision of what we had to look forward to in the future. In fact it was not only a local anticipation of great things to come, but we were receiving national attention about our meteoric skyrocketing of a program destined for greatness, and we had a President and AD that seemed to want and desire that as well. Everyone was on board and fundraising was soaring and the next thing we know is that the University has plans to move us to that next level and they were saying all the right things at that time. A new stadium with all the bells and whistles.

What happen to President Broderick and Wood Selig that had a vision that made us all so PROUD to bleed blue. However, they have more than dampened the hopes and aspirations of the fans and the loyal Alumni that have support ODU over many years. I do feel betrayed, especially after attending the inaugural event to announce the renovation and re-build of Forman Field with a beautiful presentation of Hope for our future. Yes, maybe Less in capacity than what we all wanted and many felt we would need very quickly to have the program continue to grow and influence recruits, but we still felt the dream was finally on track. It appears now it was just another time the University has betrayed the loyal supporters of ODU Sports. I'm sad to say I have lost faith in President Broderick and Wood Selige, but love my University and will always support, unfortunately my respect for those in control of our destiny will never be restored.