(12-02-2017 05:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 05:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 05:45 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  FSU had their chance but refused because they wanted the easier path

That's not necessarily wrong but let's not act like FSU isnt where they are by choice

Exactly, FSU and Texas A&M are both happy with where they are at and who they are getting as coach, so it's a win-win for everybody

Only message board idiots try and make it into a pissing contest between the two schools

Now you flipped your sides and changed your tune in all of this. It's pretty clear your just trolling. So stop.

I haven't flipped anything

Go reread the thread, I'm not the one completely bashing one of the programs mentioned

(12-02-2017 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

Fan boy talk mostly. F.S.U. is still a long way from AAU. If the Big 10 ever got to Georgia via Georgia Tech then maybe they look for a way into Florida. If that ever happens Miami is likely to be the AAU choice. They are not only in Florida, but among a fairly significant Big 10 alumni population. That's not to say they wouldn't look at the football branding of F.S.U. because that content would be valuable. But it is to say that making that statement is the distance to the moon from becoming a reality.

But the Big 10's interest in A&M is pretty well documented as part of a larger block move considered about a decade or more ago.

I never bought the FSU/GT to the Big 10 rumors, but they were out there. I’ve only heard of TAMU being interested in the Big 10, not the other way around.

The bottom line is: both FSU and Texas A&M were considered by the SEC in the 90’s and FSU turned down an invite. TURNED DOWN. TAMU never got an invite.

A&M had an offer in '92 as did Texas. A&M developed some political flak when Texas wanted to explore the PAC and Baylor pitched a fit. But other than that what you said is essentially true.

(12-02-2017 05:37 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  how quickly some folks forget

Clemson was in basically the same boat of good but not great teams that never seemed to break through or live up to the hype before Dabo

We are looking for our Dabo who can turn all the raw potential into reality

Maybe Fisher is our Dabo and maybe he's not but this nonsense of "know your place and stop trying" is just that, particularly when said advice is coming from your competitors in a zero sum game

The big difference is we were returning to a level we had been at in the modern era. The youngest aTm fan who remembers winning a national title has been getting social security checks for a couple decades. Other than that the only national relevance the Aggies have had since then was being featured in "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"

(12-02-2017 06:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 05:37 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  how quickly some folks forget

Clemson was in basically the same boat of good but not great teams that never seemed to break through or live up to the hype before Dabo

We are looking for our Dabo who can turn all the raw potential into reality

Maybe Fisher is our Dabo and maybe he's not but this nonsense of "know your place and stop trying" is just that, particularly when said advice is coming from your competitors in a zero sum game

The big difference is we were returning to a level we had been at in the modern era. The youngest aTm fan who remembers winning a national title has been getting social security checks for a couple decades. Other than that the only national relevance the Aggies have had since then was being featured in "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas"

That level wasn't there between 1980 and 2013. You have never had a consistent championship level of play. Danny Ford fudged to get his way back then and your program spent $2 bills in Jacksonville with an Orange Tiger Paw on them just to prove to bowl committees that you could bring enough economic impact to merit a bowl bid. I know because I bought blocks of bowl tickets in Jacksonville back then and collected a few of those Clemson $2's.

Dabo is the only high quality continuity you've had in the modern era. You have to go all the way back to Howard to find any other and then it wasn't championship level. So spare me the nouveau riche mentality on championship sports. You've won one more title than A&M and you are better than they have been for the last 5 years. That's about it.

(12-02-2017 04:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas A&M has not accomplished much on the field, in fact, they haven’t lived to the expectations, reminds me of Clemson before 2014.

However, they have the resources and recruiting advantages to go to the next level. Any ambitious young coach will take the chance to coach at A&M because of the potential it offers and to boost their ego. Florida State offers similar advantages and it has done more on the field plus the ACC is easier to win than the SEC but he already won a NC there. Win one at A&M (good luck with that though) and he will cement his legacy. If it fails, he’ll walk away with millions and he will coach again or go straight to the tv booth. I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand to some people.

Everything you said is true and it's not like you can't come up with other reasons Even though money seems to be reasons 1, 2, 3, and 4). Still, we're talking about a head coach leaving a program that can be elite and has won national titles. It was pointed out that Fisher becomes only the fourth head coach to leave a program where he has won an Associated Press national championship and go directly into another college job. And he's the first to do since Johnny Majors went from Pittsburgh to Tennessee in 1977. So we're talking about a fairly rare event and one that hasn't happened in 40 years (and let's face it, college football was not the same then as it is now). So yeah, it's still pretty unusual and still pretty odd, even if one can put forth some logic behind it. Maybe that explains why "it's so hard to understand"

(12-02-2017 06:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

Fan boy talk mostly. F.S.U. is still a long way from AAU. If the Big 10 ever got to Georgia via Georgia Tech then maybe they look for a way into Florida. If that ever happens Miami is likely to be the AAU choice. They are not only in Florida, but among a fairly significant Big 10 alumni population. That's not to say they wouldn't look at the football branding of F.S.U. because that content would be valuable. But it is to say that making that statement is the distance to the moon from becoming a reality.

But the Big 10's interest in A&M is pretty well documented as part of a larger block move considered about a decade or more ago.

I never bought the FSU/GT to the Big 10 rumors, but they were out there. I’ve only heard of TAMU being interested in the Big 10, not the other way around.

The bottom line is: both FSU and Texas A&M were considered by the SEC in the 90’s and FSU turned down an invite. TURNED DOWN. TAMU never got an invite.

A&M had an offer in '92 as did Texas. A&M developed some political flak when Texas wanted to explore the PAC and Baylor pitched a fit. But other than that what you said is essentially true.

A&M was set to go to the SEC in both 1989 and 1994. Stanford vetoed Texas to the Pac, so the 1989 deal fell through. Baylor's friends in the legislature killed the 1994 move. (and if you need a source for that, it's UT president Cunningham in his book, "The Texas Way.")

(12-02-2017 09:42 PM)Jericho Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas A&M has not accomplished much on the field, in fact, they haven’t lived to the expectations, reminds me of Clemson before 2014.

However, they have the resources and recruiting advantages to go to the next level. Any ambitious young coach will take the chance to coach at A&M because of the potential it offers and to boost their ego. Florida State offers similar advantages and it has done more on the field plus the ACC is easier to win than the SEC but he already won a NC there. Win one at A&M (good luck with that though) and he will cement his legacy. If it fails, he’ll walk away with millions and he will coach again or go straight to the tv booth. I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand to some people.

Everything you said is true and it's not like you can't come up with other reasons Even though money seems to be reasons 1, 2, 3, and 4). Still, we're talking about a head coach leaving a program that can be elite and has won national titles. It was pointed out that Fisher becomes only the fourth head coach to leave a program where he has won an Associated Press national championship and go directly into another college job. And he's the first to do since Johnny Majors went from Pittsburgh to Tennessee in 1977. So we're talking about a fairly rare event and one that hasn't happened in 40 years (and let's face it, college football was not the same then as it is now). So yeah, it's still pretty unusual and still pretty odd, even if one can put forth some logic behind it. Maybe that explains why "it's so hard to understand"

He's got 75 million reasons. He's getting paid 50% more than Nick Saban. A&M just made every AD in the country mad and every coach and agent happy.

(12-02-2017 10:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 06:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

Fan boy talk mostly. F.S.U. is still a long way from AAU. If the Big 10 ever got to Georgia via Georgia Tech then maybe they look for a way into Florida. If that ever happens Miami is likely to be the AAU choice. They are not only in Florida, but among a fairly significant Big 10 alumni population. That's not to say they wouldn't look at the football branding of F.S.U. because that content would be valuable. But it is to say that making that statement is the distance to the moon from becoming a reality.

But the Big 10's interest in A&M is pretty well documented as part of a larger block move considered about a decade or more ago.

I never bought the FSU/GT to the Big 10 rumors, but they were out there. I’ve only heard of TAMU being interested in the Big 10, not the other way around.

The bottom line is: both FSU and Texas A&M were considered by the SEC in the 90’s and FSU turned down an invite. TURNED DOWN. TAMU never got an invite.

A&M had an offer in '92 as did Texas. A&M developed some political flak when Texas wanted to explore the PAC and Baylor pitched a fit. But other than that what you said is essentially true.

A&M was set to go to the SEC in both 1989 and 1994. Stanford vetoed Texas to the Pac, so the 1989 deal fell through. Baylor's friends in the legislature killed the 1994 move. (and if you need a source for that, it's UT president Cunningham in his book, "The Texas Way.")

In 1989? Who would have gone with those two on their respective journeys?

(12-02-2017 10:21 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 10:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 06:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:24 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Fan boy talk mostly. F.S.U. is still a long way from AAU. If the Big 10 ever got to Georgia via Georgia Tech then maybe they look for a way into Florida. If that ever happens Miami is likely to be the AAU choice. They are not only in Florida, but among a fairly significant Big 10 alumni population. That's not to say they wouldn't look at the football branding of F.S.U. because that content would be valuable. But it is to say that making that statement is the distance to the moon from becoming a reality.

But the Big 10's interest in A&M is pretty well documented as part of a larger block move considered about a decade or more ago.

I never bought the FSU/GT to the Big 10 rumors, but they were out there. I’ve only heard of TAMU being interested in the Big 10, not the other way around.

The bottom line is: both FSU and Texas A&M were considered by the SEC in the 90’s and FSU turned down an invite. TURNED DOWN. TAMU never got an invite.

A&M had an offer in '92 as did Texas. A&M developed some political flak when Texas wanted to explore the PAC and Baylor pitched a fit. But other than that what you said is essentially true.

A&M was set to go to the SEC in both 1989 and 1994. Stanford vetoed Texas to the Pac, so the 1989 deal fell through. Baylor's friends in the legislature killed the 1994 move. (and if you need a source for that, it's UT president Cunningham in his book, "The Texas Way.")

In 1989? Who would have gone with those two on their respective journeys?

FSU or Arkansas to the SEC. Probably Colorado with Texas to the Pac. Arkansas accepted the SEC bid shortly after A&M committed to the SWC.

(12-02-2017 04:43 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Haha, the hate is real...that is your only agument

Who is more valuable, Texas or Alabama? Who has better success and tradition? Would Alabama, LSU or Auburn make it into the Big 10?

The only thing "clear and obvious" is what kind of person you are

LOL ... you have no substantive reply - how could you? everything i said is spot on - so resort to name calling. Par for the course.

Only an idiot would connect realignment with the Jimbo hire

You've yet to answer any questions I've asked, or address anything I've said, and are completely ignorant of issues between Jimbo and the fanbase

Anyone with an IQ over 50 would know i haven't mentioned realignment here, which is why you missed that.

As for the FSU fan base theory, that's a dumb idea. I have several FSU alum friends, die-hard FSU supporters, and while disappointed in the season, understood that the loss of their QB in the Alabama game wrecked the season. Their attitude was this is an aberration, not an indictment of Fisher.

The reasons are what i said they are: TAMU offered a lot more money, and is a much wealthier institution with far more resources to support him, and the ACC competitiveely isn't the pushover it was before Clemson rose up and now Miami.

Better school with better resources and more money to throw at him and the program, and no longer such an easy ride in the ACC, those are the reasons Fisher left.

Read this article fool

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...n-presser/

Why did the fan say "new coaches new coaches"?

Because FSU fans are sick of Trickett (Oline) and Charles Kelly (defense)

Those areas have been underperforming for a few years now

Also, when I say JIMBO LOST THE TEAM, do you understand what that means? Here's a hint, it is a BAD thing

All of this happened before Jimbo was offered anything by A&M

You dumb clown. Here's the FSU AD today:

"Florida State athletic director Stan Wilcox said Saturday the reason Jimbo Fisher left for Texas A&M is because the Seminoles simply could not compete with the Aggies' finances."

Not "would not, because he lost the team (LOL)", could not, because they don't have the money:

http://www.espn.com.au/college-football/...s-contract

As i said, Jimbo left because TAMU is just a bigger man on the block - wealthier with better facilities, and FSU just cannot measure up. He left for a better insitution.

As for this season, Jimbo "lost the team" for a few weeks because he failed to adapt to losing his stud QB. His fault, but all FSU fans I know recognized it as an aberration. NONE of them wanted to see him go. And why would they, with all the success he's had.

TAMU is just a better job than FSU. That's the fact. They got out-bid just like a G5 like UCF gets outbid by Nebraska. As Ice Cube said, Big Bank take Little Bank.