(12-02-2017 03:19 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:14 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 01:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 01:02 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Clearly, what is obvious, is that you hate FSU, and you are trying to spin the argument as hard as you can to validate your insane stance

But if you google top college football programs of all time, FSU ALWAYS is rated higher than Texas A&M....sorry if you don't like the truth

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...a-michigan

Why do you keep posting clownish information to justify your pro-FSU posture?

It doesn't matter that FSU has won more titles in the past 30 years of its new-money relevance than TAMU has in 125 years. TAMU is obviously a considerably more valuable institution, which is why every power conference would want TAMU and nobody but the ACC wants FSU.

Just in the past 5 years, the SEC expressed zero interest in FSU but rolled out the carpet for TAMU, just as the PAC or B1G or anyone else would.

"Wins on the field"?

All laughing aside: Do you deny that TAMU is clearly a more valuable conference member than FSU, from the perspective of all the other Power conferences? Seriously?

I think you keep trying to spin the argument when you are shown contradicting info to your point lol

The topic of the thread is about Jimbo going to A&M...I don't think anything you're talking about relates to Jimbo's decision

You are trying to spin the argument into overall value as related to conference expansion...I don't think Jimbo cares too much about the motivations of SEC expansion

There's no contradiction. As i predicted and explained, Jimbo left in part because TAMU had way more money to pay him and way better facilities to support him, and given that TAMU is a way more wealthy and stable institution, that wasn't changing any time soon.

So TAMU's relative power and standing is absolutely relevant to this situation. Jimbo just left a cash-strapped athletic department that constantly tries to get things done with bailing wire and duck tape to a stretch limo with all the resources in the world.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about...none

EV, if that is what you believe then state why he has no idea. This is the fail in most of your debates. He cites examples and you just claim otherwise. Prove your case. Otherwise you are wasting space and spamming the thread. So please prove that more money, better facilities, and a nearby hospital are either the reason he moved, or not the reason he moved.

When somebody's argument is "because I say so" then they need only state it once as their opinion. When they have proof of their position they present it. So present it since this your opinion has been stated multiple times already.

(12-02-2017 03:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:19 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:14 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 01:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Why do you keep posting clownish information to justify your pro-FSU posture?

It doesn't matter that FSU has won more titles in the past 30 years of its new-money relevance than TAMU has in 125 years. TAMU is obviously a considerably more valuable institution, which is why every power conference would want TAMU and nobody but the ACC wants FSU.

Just in the past 5 years, the SEC expressed zero interest in FSU but rolled out the carpet for TAMU, just as the PAC or B1G or anyone else would.

"Wins on the field"?

All laughing aside: Do you deny that TAMU is clearly a more valuable conference member than FSU, from the perspective of all the other Power conferences? Seriously?

I think you keep trying to spin the argument when you are shown contradicting info to your point lol

The topic of the thread is about Jimbo going to A&M...I don't think anything you're talking about relates to Jimbo's decision

You are trying to spin the argument into overall value as related to conference expansion...I don't think Jimbo cares too much about the motivations of SEC expansion

There's no contradiction. As i predicted and explained, Jimbo left in part because TAMU had way more money to pay him and way better facilities to support him, and given that TAMU is a way more wealthy and stable institution, that wasn't changing any time soon.

So TAMU's relative power and standing is absolutely relevant to this situation. Jimbo just left a cash-strapped athletic department that constantly tries to get things done with bailing wire and duck tape to a stretch limo with all the resources in the world.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about...none

EV, if that is what you believe then state why he has no idea. This is the fail in most of your debates. He cites examples and you just claim otherwise. Prove your case. Otherwise you are wasting space and spamming the thread. So please prove that more money, better facilities, and a nearby hospital are either the reason he moved, or not the reason he moved.

When somebody's argument is "because I say so" then they need only state it once as their opinion. When they have proof of their position they present it. So present it since this your opinion has been stated multiple times already.

I have explained in several posts why Jimbo left (even in stunningly simpistic terms), but if you want to believe it is because Texas A&M is a valuable, amazing giant in college football, go for it

This has gotten stupid

(12-02-2017 03:47 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:19 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:14 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think you keep trying to spin the argument when you are shown contradicting info to your point lol

The topic of the thread is about Jimbo going to A&M...I don't think anything you're talking about relates to Jimbo's decision

You are trying to spin the argument into overall value as related to conference expansion...I don't think Jimbo cares too much about the motivations of SEC expansion

There's no contradiction. As i predicted and explained, Jimbo left in part because TAMU had way more money to pay him and way better facilities to support him, and given that TAMU is a way more wealthy and stable institution, that wasn't changing any time soon.

So TAMU's relative power and standing is absolutely relevant to this situation. Jimbo just left a cash-strapped athletic department that constantly tries to get things done with bailing wire and duck tape to a stretch limo with all the resources in the world.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about...none

EV, if that is what you believe then state why he has no idea. This is the fail in most of your debates. He cites examples and you just claim otherwise. Prove your case. Otherwise you are wasting space and spamming the thread. So please prove that more money, better facilities, and a nearby hospital are either the reason he moved, or not the reason he moved.

When somebody's argument is "because I say so" then they need only state it once as their opinion. When they have proof of their position they present it. So present it since this your opinion has been stated multiple times already.

I have explained in several posts why Jimbo left (even in stunningly simpistic terms), but if you want to believe it is because Texas A&M is a valuable, amazing giant in college football, go for it

This has gotten stupid

Gee, I wonder why?

Texas A&M has not accomplished much on the field, in fact, they haven’t lived to the expectations, reminds me of Clemson before 2014.

However, they have the resources and recruiting advantages to go to the next level. Any ambitious young coach will take the chance to coach at A&M because of the potential it offers and to boost their ego. Florida State offers similar advantages and it has done more on the field plus the ACC is easier to win than the SEC but he already won a NC there. Win one at A&M (good luck with that though) and he will cement his legacy. If it fails, he’ll walk away with millions and he will coach again or go straight to the tv booth. I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand to some people.

(12-02-2017 03:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

I know that ACC feelings were crushed when Maryland left for the B1G. But there's no salving the wound here. If the B1G wanted FSU, FSU would have left the ACC faster than Jimbo left FSU.

No, TAMU is clearly more valuable than FSU. FSU has been especially valuable to the ACC because for years, while Miami failed to live up to expectations and before Dabo turned Clemson into a powerhouse, FSU was the one program that gave the ACC "power" credibility in football. Carried the ACC during the 1990s and in to the 2000s.

But to everyone else, they are not very valuable. A cash-strapped second-fiddle school that just happens to have had great football teams the past 1/4 century.

Haha, the hate is real...that is your only agument

Who is more valuable, Texas or Alabama? Who has better success and tradition? Would Alabama, LSU or Auburn make it into the Big 10?

The only thing "clear and obvious" is what kind of person you are

LOL ... you have no substantive reply - how could you? everything i said is spot on - so resort to name calling. Par for the course.

(12-02-2017 02:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

Fan boy talk mostly. F.S.U. is still a long way from AAU. If the Big 10 ever got to Georgia via Georgia Tech then maybe they look for a way into Florida. If that ever happens Miami is likely to be the AAU choice. They are not only in Florida, but among a fairly significant Big 10 alumni population. That's not to say they wouldn't look at the football branding of F.S.U. because that content would be valuable. But it is to say that making that statement is the distance to the moon from becoming a reality.

But the Big 10's interest in A&M is pretty well documented as part of a larger block move considered about a decade or more ago.

I never bought the FSU/GT to the Big 10 rumors, but they were out there. I’ve only heard of TAMU being interested in the Big 10, not the other way around.

The bottom line is: both FSU and Texas A&M were considered by the SEC in the 90’s and FSU turned down an invite. TURNED DOWN. TAMU never got an invite.

(12-02-2017 04:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

I know that ACC feelings were crushed when Maryland left for the B1G. But there's no salving the wound here. If the B1G wanted FSU, FSU would have left the ACC faster than Jimbo left FSU.

No, TAMU is clearly more valuable than FSU. FSU has been especially valuable to the ACC because for years, while Miami failed to live up to expectations and before Dabo turned Clemson into a powerhouse, FSU was the one program that gave the ACC "power" credibility in football. Carried the ACC during the 1990s and in to the 2000s.

But to everyone else, they are not very valuable. A cash-strapped second-fiddle school that just happens to have had great football teams the past 1/4 century.

Haha, the hate is real...that is your only agument

Who is more valuable, Texas or Alabama? Who has better success and tradition? Would Alabama, LSU or Auburn make it into the Big 10?

The only thing "clear and obvious" is what kind of person you are

LOL ... you have no substantive reply - how could you? everything i said is spot on - so resort to name calling. Par for the course.

Only an idiot would connect realignment with the Jimbo hire

You've yet to answer any questions I've asked, or address anything I've said, and are completely ignorant of issues between Jimbo and the fanbase

It has gotten stupid, because you are stupid

(12-02-2017 04:12 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Texas A&M has not accomplished much on the field, in fact, they haven’t lived to the expectations, reminds me of Clemson before 2014.

Bingo

(12-02-2017 04:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  The Big 10 was apparently interested in FSU and not TAMU. So.....

I know that ACC feelings were crushed when Maryland left for the B1G. But there's no salving the wound here. If the B1G wanted FSU, FSU would have left the ACC faster than Jimbo left FSU.

No, TAMU is clearly more valuable than FSU. FSU has been especially valuable to the ACC because for years, while Miami failed to live up to expectations and before Dabo turned Clemson into a powerhouse, FSU was the one program that gave the ACC "power" credibility in football. Carried the ACC during the 1990s and in to the 2000s.

But to everyone else, they are not very valuable. A cash-strapped second-fiddle school that just happens to have had great football teams the past 1/4 century.

Haha, the hate is real...that is your only agument

Who is more valuable, Texas or Alabama? Who has better success and tradition? Would Alabama, LSU or Auburn make it into the Big 10?

The only thing "clear and obvious" is what kind of person you are

LOL ... you have no substantive reply - how could you? everything i said is spot on - so resort to name calling. Par for the course.

Only an idiot would connect realignment with the Jimbo hire

You've yet to answer any questions I've asked, or address anything I've said, and are completely ignorant of issues between Jimbo and the fanbase

Anyone with an IQ over 50 would know i haven't mentioned realignment here, which is why you missed that.

As for the FSU fan base theory, that's a dumb idea. I have several FSU alum friends, die-hard FSU supporters, and while disappointed in the season, understood that the loss of their QB in the Alabama game wrecked the season. Their attitude was this is an aberration, not an indictment of Fisher.

The reasons are what i said they are: TAMU offered a lot more money, and is a much wealthier institution with far more resources to support him, and the ACC competitiveely isn't the pushover it was before Clemson rose up and now Miami.

Better school with better resources and more money to throw at him and the program, and no longer such an easy ride in the ACC, those are the reasons Fisher left.

(12-02-2017 04:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:47 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:19 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:11 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  There's no contradiction. As i predicted and explained, Jimbo left in part because TAMU had way more money to pay him and way better facilities to support him, and given that TAMU is a way more wealthy and stable institution, that wasn't changing any time soon.

So TAMU's relative power and standing is absolutely relevant to this situation. Jimbo just left a cash-strapped athletic department that constantly tries to get things done with bailing wire and duck tape to a stretch limo with all the resources in the world.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about...none

EV, if that is what you believe then state why he has no idea. This is the fail in most of your debates. He cites examples and you just claim otherwise. Prove your case. Otherwise you are wasting space and spamming the thread. So please prove that more money, better facilities, and a nearby hospital are either the reason he moved, or not the reason he moved.

When somebody's argument is "because I say so" then they need only state it once as their opinion. When they have proof of their position they present it. So present it since this your opinion has been stated multiple times already.

I have explained in several posts why Jimbo left (even in stunningly simpistic terms), but if you want to believe it is because Texas A&M is a valuable, amazing giant in college football, go for it

This has gotten stupid

Gee, I wonder why?

Well here is the summary of the thread:
You: Jimbo left because he got scared in the recruiting wars
Quo vadis: Jimbo left because the SEC invited Texas A&M but not FSU
Me: Jimbo left because he is smart and could tell that the FSU fanbase was turning against him

I'll let the rest of the board decide the relevancy of each of those statements

(12-02-2017 04:31 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:26 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:16 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 03:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I know that ACC feelings were crushed when Maryland left for the B1G. But there's no salving the wound here. If the B1G wanted FSU, FSU would have left the ACC faster than Jimbo left FSU.

No, TAMU is clearly more valuable than FSU. FSU has been especially valuable to the ACC because for years, while Miami failed to live up to expectations and before Dabo turned Clemson into a powerhouse, FSU was the one program that gave the ACC "power" credibility in football. Carried the ACC during the 1990s and in to the 2000s.

But to everyone else, they are not very valuable. A cash-strapped second-fiddle school that just happens to have had great football teams the past 1/4 century.

Haha, the hate is real...that is your only agument

Who is more valuable, Texas or Alabama? Who has better success and tradition? Would Alabama, LSU or Auburn make it into the Big 10?

The only thing "clear and obvious" is what kind of person you are

LOL ... you have no substantive reply - how could you? everything i said is spot on - so resort to name calling. Par for the course.

Only an idiot would connect realignment with the Jimbo hire

You've yet to answer any questions I've asked, or address anything I've said, and are completely ignorant of issues between Jimbo and the fanbase

Anyone with an IQ over 50 would know i haven't mentioned realignment here, which is why you missed that.

As for the FSU fan base theory, that's a dumb idea. I have several FSU alum friends, die-hard FSU supporters, and while disappointed in the season, understood that the loss of their QB in the Alabama game wrecked the season. Their attitude was this is an aberration, not an indictment of Fisher.

The reasons are what i said they are: TAMU offered a lot more money, and is a much wealthier institution with far more resources to support him, and the ACC competitiveely isn't the pushover it was before Clemson rose up and now Miami.

Better school with better resources and more money to throw at him and the program, and no longer such an easy ride in the ACC, those are the reasons Fisher left.

Read this article fool

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...n-presser/

Why did the fan say "new coaches new coaches"?

Because FSU fans are sick of Trickett (Oline) and Charles Kelly (defense)

Those areas have been underperforming for a few years now

Also, when I say JIMBO LOST THE TEAM, do you understand what that means? Here's a hint, it is a BAD thing

All of this happened before Jimbo was offered anything by A&M

My 2 cents on Fisher leaving FSU: If you're a great employee who's underpaid and you get an offer from a competitor, you can parlay that into a raise. Do that too many years in a row, however, and it doesn't matter if you're the best employee ever - no employer wants to feel like they're being blackmailed.

Now, add 75 million reasons to accept the new job and BOOM - out the door, baby!

As for Texas A&M: I think a lot of fans see A&M and think "they're no Alabama". Few teams are. What these fans miss is the tremendous potential of a program which for decades lived in the shadow of the Longhorns - but no longer. The Aggies are likely to become the premier college team in the state of Texas (if they aren't already). In other words, A&M will be to Texas what FSU has been to Florida - Formerly #2 (or worse), now #1.

No conspiracy theories needed here. Just a place where you can win big and a paycheck to go with it.

The only reason Texas A&M is in the SEC right now and FSU isn't is because A&M is in Texas and FSU is in Florida where the SEC already has a presence. If it had been an equal choice FSU is in the SEC and Texas A&M isn't because for all their money and all their fans the facts are Texas A&M hasn't won or even played for a national title since before WWII. You can say "sleeping giant" all you want but at some point you have to realize the giant is in an irreversible coma.

(12-02-2017 05:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The only reason Texas A&M is in the SEC right now and FSU isn't is because A&M is in Texas and FSU is in Florida where the SEC already has a presence. If it had been an equal choice FSU is in the SEC and Texas A&M isn't because for all their money and all their fans the facts are Texas A&M hasn't won or even played for a national title since before WWII. You can say "sleeping giant" all you want but at some point you have to realize the giant is in an irreversible coma.

Nah, Kaplony. If we weren't under the market restriction, Florida State and A&M would be in the SEC and Missouri likely would not have received an invitation. That pairing would have been a grand slam to 14.

A&M and F.S.U. were both on the target list in '92 and A&M had been in talks with the SEC ever since then.

how quickly some folks forget

Clemson was in basically the same boat of good but not great teams that never seemed to break through or live up to the hype before Dabo

We are looking for our Dabo who can turn all the raw potential into reality

Maybe Fisher is our Dabo and maybe he's not but this nonsense of "know your place and stop trying" is just that, particularly when said advice is coming from your competitors in a zero sum game

(12-02-2017 05:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The only reason Texas A&M is in the SEC right now and FSU isn't is because A&M is in Texas and FSU is in Florida where the SEC already has a presence...

It's hard to argue with this statement. Same could be said of Clemson.

As JR points out, this market effect goes double for Missouri, and is the only plausible explanation for Rutgers in the Big Ten.

(12-02-2017 05:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  As for Texas A&M: I think a lot of fans see A&M and think "they're no Alabama". Few teams are. What these fans miss is the tremendous potential of a program which for decades lived in the shadow of the Longhorns - but no longer. The Aggies are likely to become the premier college team in the state of Texas (if they aren't already). In other words, A&M will be to Texas what FSU has been to Florida - Formerly #2 (or worse), now #1

We'll see...Texas doesn't have to play LSU, Auburn, and Alabama every year. I think the Longhorns are on the way back

I think Jimbo will boost recruiting for the Aggies though

FSU had their chance but refused because they wanted the easier path

That's not necessarily wrong but let's not act like FSU isnt where they are by choice

(12-02-2017 05:45 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  FSU had their chance but refused because they wanted the easier path

That's not necessarily wrong but let's not act like FSU isnt where they are by choice

Exactly, FSU and Texas A&M are both happy with where they are at and who they are getting as coach, so it's a win-win for everybody

Only message board idiots try and make it into a pissing contest between the two schools

(12-02-2017 05:56 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 05:45 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  FSU had their chance but refused because they wanted the easier path

That's not necessarily wrong but let's not act like FSU isnt where they are by choice

Exactly, FSU and Texas A&M are both happy with where they are at and who they are getting as coach, so it's a win-win for everybody

Only message board idiots try and make it into a pissing contest between the two schools

Now you flipped your sides and changed your tune in all of this. It's pretty clear your just trolling. So stop.